We all say this then keep doing the fusions.

See you at the next one.


There is truth to your post, especially that there is no extra epic and having to do every single event this time around.

Just let me indulge in my revenge fantasies for a moment ;(

I agree with your assessment.  But I have to point out that while we may not have known the point requirements up front, it was pointed out as soon as the calendar came out that there was no epic and you'd have to get every single rare.

1. DD is always toughest

2. All the extra energy from prior events last week should still be unclaimed or sitting in mailbox 

3. 1000 energy from clan shop

4. Mailbox should have at least a handful of refills if not 40 to 50

5. Enough gems from daily activities to break even over the 5 days 

The expectation to complete a fusion f2p and be net positive in resources is where the problem starts...

I have stopped playing ball and doing every fusion personally. They end up vaulted 90% of the time anyway

I hear ya. I keep telling myself I will sit them out and then I don't. I don't even need the current one but here I am doing it anywas.

1. Yes, but never 5.5k tough

2-5 fair, it's just a matter of playstyle. I hate tracking expiration dates, so I just spend that energy as I go and dip into the gem stockpile when needed. I keep it at 1000+ for this purpose.

I'm nowhere near danger of actually failing the fusion. It's just been a much bigger drain of resources than Gnishak or Pythion.

It's almost as if Plarium doesn't know how to properly count the difficulty of the actions required (specially leveling up the rares and epics). Then they make changes like replacing an epic with a rare thinking it's just a small variation, when it's actually a big deal, removing the one saving grace that traditional fusions used to have. Fragment collectors have been consistently easier, without rhyme or reason regarding champ quality.

The 5.5 is in-line with how it has been before. We just have one extra day on this.

One of the few times that I feel smart in this game.  I decided not to do this fusion when it was not a godlike champ.  

I still acquired 4 rares without trying.  I will keep 2 and feed 2 to the other rare.  

It feels good to be building resources for a change.  

"we all"... not me. I have never done a classic fusion. They are such a bait. 

First, they cost about 2-3x more energy than fragment ones to complete. 

Second, who gives a damn about another legendary? Seriously? Chances are, unless all you pulled in all your shards over time were the top 20 worst legos, this new fusion (whichever it is) is most likely not the next number one priority in your account. You will level it up, and then find that with no books, he/she kinda sucks.

Third, The passive resources you spend on classic fusions make it so that that new lego costs you the equivalent of 2x as many chickens, and 2,5x as many potions as you would need on a out-of-the-blue shard pull. Let's take a previous decent fusion for ezample. Maulie Tankard. If you pulled her right now. One click right? so to speak. Now, say you would need 10 5-star chickens (not 5)  and 48 big green potions (not 20) + 24 silver ones (not 12) + 160 small ones + another i dont even know how many medium ones. What would you do? Max it? or immediately vault her?

And finally, fourth, the time it takes to complete these classic fusions is just not worth it. 2 weeks of 12 hour daily grinds (if you're gonna say "be prepared", well, all those hours you prepared in advance are still hours spent on the fusion, just spread over a longer period) is just too much. Especially since unless you have some degree of luck with the shards in pulling rare or epic copies of the fusables, you cant skip nothing.

So unless the fusion has a kit that clearly changes things in a big way, you can always do without.

where on earth are you getting your numbers from? some of your later points have some validity, though they apply to fusions in general rather than classic ones specifically, but your first point is just absurd.

Yeah uh ... quoi?

Like ... your arguments may make sense from your specific perspective, but for me, the only one of them that has even a glimmer of validity is the time part - and even there, it's not like I'm really playing the game any more than I would normally.

Where do i take these numbers? Like what? You can magically upgrade all 16 rares and all 4 epics AND ascend them using ZERO energy? 

I know I know, you people who've been playing for 4 years dont have these issues like me. You have nothing else to do, but you are the 5% of the players. 

Look, I'm not saying adding a new lego is all wrong or anything. What I'm saying is, the total cost for getting it through a classic fusion is just too high. Fragment fusions are a much better return, BY FAR. If we could get the classic fusions already at 6-1, i would totally change my stance, not saying they would actually entertain this idea of course.

To come back to my initial point. I said they were a bait. Thats because new players can totally cripple their account trying to chase these. If they go all in, and for whatever real-life reason, they miss just one beat, all kinds of resources wasted (not totally, but ya kind of) for a fail. And even if they succeed, they could have upgraded several champions already in their account instead of chasing yet another one, who, i repeat, will most likely remain unbooked and therefore be only half-usable.

If you saw my account right now, and I said i never did a classic fusion, i've done 3-4 of the fragment ones. You would get it. I'm f2p, btw. I currently have 30 different legos. How many do you think, after 300ish days of play, i managed to book out of those? 13. And this is of course because of all the one-time rewards from FW, campaign, missions etc, that i got and will not get anymore. Remove all of those rewards, the number would shrink to 10. 6 legos stuck at 50 for lack of chickens. So ya, another mediocre lego i got to WORK for? no thanks.

I think the math is a little off here, but the larger issue is painting all classic fusions with a broad brush

I'm fine with picking and choosing which ones you want to do but Gnishak is great, Morrigaine was good and Helicath was objectively account defining. And that's just looking at the time period you've been playing. 

Good points here. That said Trips, did you end up doing this one?

I've done helicath , ukko and pythion , all others werent worth it (different for everyone depending on champs pulled , current state of account , etc) starting my 11th month so cant say for prior fusions , basing this on my personal experience so far ofc!

So when its a traditional fusion , i compared the pts needed to what helicath needed ... big factor on if im doing it or skipping .

For fragment fusion i take pythion for reference in pts required ...

Also curious does anyone have the info on helicath fusion vs oella ? (pts required , extra champs , amount of epics , rewards that are now soulstones , soulcoins , titan pts , etc )

Yes, had to pull a rare to get back in on main after this collasal f-up

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I am struggling to finish DD today, 500 to go... The 2000 energy spent in Iron twins during fusion maybe could have been skipped... but I want my stones/essence  ;)

Stones and essence improves your account way more than any individual fusion. Mine too....need my Polymorph.

Helicath fusion can be easily looked up on hellhades: https://hellhades.com/fusion-guide-helicath/

- The summon rush had an EPIC at 4925.

- the champion chase had TWO rares at 1150 / 2500 points

- the dungeon divers overlap perfectly with the 4 main dungeon tournaments. The "big" dungeon divers with IG and FK was 3750 points. Roughly the same DD points overall, but much better overlap = less energy spent.

There has been massive inflation, and basically all of it has been over the last 12 months. Claims that we now get more resources than we used to don't apply over that timespan.

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I could complete the fusion this time. But I never had less fun playing Raid than during the actual fusion. I literally played the whole night until 6 a.m. in the Spider dungeon, after auto battles run out, to get the ridiculous high point milestone in dungeon divers for the last rare.

I was a spender and turned f2p. The way the game goes is more likely making me quit than becoming a spender again.