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Jan 26, 2023, 23:3801/26/23
05/03/20
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Duchess, Duchess, Pythion

I got Duchess a while back.  I got lucky and pulled another Duchess in the recent fusion.  Now, I have Pythion.  It seems they could be the backbone for Tag and Hydra teams.  I  need suggestions on gear sets and stats.  Can they provide enough support for go second defense teams in Tag.  

This feels like a turning point for my account and I want to get it right.  


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Jan 27, 2023, 00:1001/27/23
02/11/21
932

I'm no expert in Arena, but I can imagine one Duchess in Stoneskin will prove very useful. Pythion should also be a good partner for her. Who are your nukers? 

I use Duchess for Hydra and plan on using Pythion, as well. Neither of them need accuracy, so speed, tankiness, and resist should probably have you straight. 

Jan 27, 2023, 00:3001/27/23
06/25/20
6641

You definitely want to do exactly what you had in mind. Three teams, one with each. Post your current roster and we can see who else should be on them.

Jan 27, 2023, 00:5401/27/23
07/08/19
981

for stats, you'll want resistance, hp, defense, and speed, in pretty much that order of priority (hp and def are about equal). ideal sets are ones that boost those stats, so your best options include resilience, deflection, fortitude, protection, and stoneskin. untouchable is another strong candidate, though it is very much a pvp set and won't be as effective for pve content.

Jan 27, 2023, 03:5201/27/23
06/25/20
6641

I'll give you some more feedback later but - 100% max shamael

Jan 27, 2023, 03:5201/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 03:54(edited)
05/03/20
1824
kramaswamy.kr

I'll give you some more feedback later but - 100% max shamael

He will be 6-60, full masteries and ascended.  Does he need books?

I have enough books for Duchess and Pythion.  


harleQuinnModerator
Jan 27, 2023, 07:4101/27/23
Jan 27, 2023, 07:42(edited)
02/24/19
7825
ClosedPoly

He will be 6-60, full masteries and ascended.  Does he need books?

I have enough books for Duchess and Pythion.  


I would STRONGLY recommend booking him. He can be a serious damage dealer, and when carrying two or more buffs, his A2 can free swallowed champs on Brutal with a single hit. Booking his damage and his buff duration decrease on his A1 is very relevant, and he's only an Epic so it should be a lot easier to come by his books 

He's a major part of my Brutal Hydra strat, even on this week, which is a very bad rotation for him:

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That was yesterday's run with him. Even without Torment spawns he can lay down damage.

harleQuinnModerator
Jan 27, 2023, 07:4401/27/23
02/24/19
7825

Basically any camp you're going to use in Hydra, you'll want to fully book if possible to add consistency and damage to the runs. Hydra is hard enough even without dealing with longer cooldowns, less buffs, less damage and unreliable debuffs.

Jan 27, 2023, 17:1401/27/23
06/25/20
6641

OK - here are my thoughts for teams:

team 1:

torment - duchess

decay - skull lord var-gall

mischief - ukko

flex - tainix (healing, speed down)

damage1 - shamael

damage2 - husk


team 2:

torment - duchess

decay - seeker

mischief - umbral

flex - tainix (healing, speed down)

damage1 - husk

damage2 - drex


team 3:

flex - pythion

decay - seeker

mischief - deliana

flex - visix (decay backup, speed down)

damage1 - royal guard

damage2 - akoth (i don't actually see him in your roster, but he's a dt secret room champ, so you must have him by now)

Jan 31, 2023, 18:0501/31/23
Jan 31, 2023, 18:21(edited)
05/03/20
1824
kramaswamy.kr

OK - here are my thoughts for teams:

team 1:

torment - duchess

decay - skull lord var-gall

mischief - ukko

flex - tainix (healing, speed down)

damage1 - shamael

damage2 - husk


team 2:

torment - duchess

decay - seeker

mischief - umbral

flex - tainix (healing, speed down)

damage1 - husk

damage2 - drex


team 3:

flex - pythion

decay - seeker

mischief - deliana

flex - visix (decay backup, speed down)

damage1 - royal guard

damage2 - akoth (i don't actually see him in your roster, but he's a dt secret room champ, so you must have him by now)

Do you have suggestions for gear sets and stats for Duchess, Duchess and Pythion for Hydra?

Would the same sets have benefit for go 2nd defense teams in Tag?

74 frags on Akoth.  Is there another champ?

Feb 1, 2023, 04:2502/01/23
06/25/20
6641

For gearsets, honestly, the only stat that's relevant for all three of those, for Hydra, is speed. No other stat really matters for them. So, gear them however best you can, but try to make them all at least 260 speed. Chances are that'll be similar to what you'll want for TTA as well.

You tell me if there's another champ other than Akoth. I didn't see anyone else in your roster with an AoE HP burn.

Feb 1, 2023, 08:4602/01/23
05/03/20
1824
kramaswamy.kr

For gearsets, honestly, the only stat that's relevant for all three of those, for Hydra, is speed. No other stat really matters for them. So, gear them however best you can, but try to make them all at least 260 speed. Chances are that'll be similar to what you'll want for TTA as well.

You tell me if there's another champ other than Akoth. I didn't see anyone else in your roster with an AoE HP burn.

Do they need any HP, Def, Res to stay alive?  I have a few pieces of Stoneskin and Protection that I could use to add some tankiness.  

I dont have any AoE HP burn.  Just Drex and Kallia that are HP burn target.  


Feb 1, 2023, 12:5502/01/23
10/15/20
2041
ClosedPoly

Do they need any HP, Def, Res to stay alive?  I have a few pieces of Stoneskin and Protection that I could use to add some tankiness.  

I dont have any AoE HP burn.  Just Drex and Kallia that are HP burn target.  


Stoneskin and Bolster and similar sets are useless in long lasting boss fights. The effect expires after 2 rounds, and I guess your team can stand the fight a bit longer than that.

Feb 1, 2023, 23:4302/01/23
05/03/20
1824
kramaswamy.kr

For gearsets, honestly, the only stat that's relevant for all three of those, for Hydra, is speed. No other stat really matters for them. So, gear them however best you can, but try to make them all at least 260 speed. Chances are that'll be similar to what you'll want for TTA as well.

You tell me if there's another champ other than Akoth. I didn't see anyone else in your roster with an AoE HP burn.

Each champ comes with about 100 speed.  Boots add 40 or so.  That means I have to get 20 speed pts on each of the other 6 pieces of gear.  That sounds like trip rolls or at least doubles and the best glyphs possible.  I dont think I am there yet.  

Working on it.  

Feb 1, 2023, 23:5402/01/23
06/25/20
6641
ClosedPoly

Each champ comes with about 100 speed.  Boots add 40 or so.  That means I have to get 20 speed pts on each of the other 6 pieces of gear.  That sounds like trip rolls or at least doubles and the best glyphs possible.  I dont think I am there yet.  

Working on it.  

Not quite. Say we use Duchess as an example, who has a base speed of 103. Also, for simplicity, let's say we use one Speed set, with the remaining items coming from other places, and let's assume you go Red/Blue and take Lore of Steel. Let's also assume that each of the six items that can have a speed substat do, in fact, have one. Finally, let's assume you have an average of a double speed roll on each of those speed substats, and that your glyphs give an average of +4 speed.

BaseSpd = 103

SetBonus =  0.12*1.15*103 = 14

SpeedBoots = 45

SpeedSubstat = (6 + 5.5*2 + 4)*6 = 126

TotalSpeed = 103 + 14 + 45 + 126 = 288

That's not really a tall order to reach, and it even offers you with a bit of leeway to not require double substat rolls on each item. You can afford to only hit speed once on three of your six items, and still reach 260 speed.


Feb 2, 2023, 01:1702/02/23
05/03/20
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kramaswamy.kr

Not quite. Say we use Duchess as an example, who has a base speed of 103. Also, for simplicity, let's say we use one Speed set, with the remaining items coming from other places, and let's assume you go Red/Blue and take Lore of Steel. Let's also assume that each of the six items that can have a speed substat do, in fact, have one. Finally, let's assume you have an average of a double speed roll on each of those speed substats, and that your glyphs give an average of +4 speed.

BaseSpd = 103

SetBonus =  0.12*1.15*103 = 14

SpeedBoots = 45

SpeedSubstat = (6 + 5.5*2 + 4)*6 = 126

TotalSpeed = 103 + 14 + 45 + 126 = 288

That's not really a tall order to reach, and it even offers you with a bit of leeway to not require double substat rolls on each item. You can afford to only hit speed once on three of your six items, and still reach 260 speed.


Are these the right masteries?


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Masteries for Duchess




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Masteries for Pythion


Feb 7, 2023, 21:4202/07/23
05/03/20
1824

Bump

Feb 8, 2023, 03:5602/08/23
06/25/20
6641

Close enough. I think I'd probably go with this:

https://raidbro.com/masteries?v=v1&m=0subs000001qw8w

But there aren't huge differences. The biggest difference is really just dropping Life Drinker on both, and getting Rapid Response and Healing Saviour on both - but really, Duchess won't notice a huge difference. For Pythion, though, unquestionably you want Rapid Response.

Feb 8, 2023, 05:3702/08/23
05/03/20
1824
kramaswamy.kr

For gearsets, honestly, the only stat that's relevant for all three of those, for Hydra, is speed. No other stat really matters for them. So, gear them however best you can, but try to make them all at least 260 speed. Chances are that'll be similar to what you'll want for TTA as well.

You tell me if there's another champ other than Akoth. I didn't see anyone else in your roster with an AoE HP burn.

How should I gear Skull Lord, Tainix.  Sets and stats.  

I will have Akoth on the next DT reset.  92 frags now.  

Pythion is in Bolster and Divine Speed.  Spd 271, HP 51578, Def 3797, Res 121.  I hope it stays alive.  



Feb 25, 2023, 10:1902/25/23
05/03/20
1824

BUMP