The issue is that the comp is weak to Force. I feel like my Force Damage is in the lower 80s with Doomy.

But you might have room to spare still, especially with a nice Helicopter build that has 230+ Accuracy to keep Weaken up.

So, here's a question - that comp says that the DPS needs to take stun. What happens on green affinity? Since Jintoro is blue, won't that mean the stun goes on Helicath instead?

The stun will go to Doompriest, since she's Force. Green CB targets weak affinity, Red. Doomy then cleanses her own stun.

She also clears all the other debuffs from the AoEs as well 

Hmm. And on blue affinity? Will it still prioritize Jintoro over Helicath? Or is the tune configured such that Helicath's stun will be removed by DP?

The tune is configured that Doomy will remove the stun. :)

Also, I am less concerned about your damage now. Even Yaga can ball in this tune. Was just memeing a bit since I pulled a two star soul for my old terrible buddy. lol

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So for a bit more info Kram. In this tune the cleanser goes directly after the clan boss, and on UNM and NM it syncs up on turn 3, so you cleanse that first stun no prob. It can also handle the half turns of Dec Speed debuffs you take on AoE2 that 2nd attack.

So, does this mean you're suggesting there's a pretty good chance it can work with Warcaster instead of Tower? And, does this mean you're saying build this version instead of the Doompriest one?

I have a DP built at 220 speed and swap her in for Spirit in place of Fatman. If you just want to build one tune with absolutely zero swaps, that's what I'd go with, Jintoro, Doomy, Seeker, Tower and Helo... :)

Personally I think Fatman is great in this comp and would use him though. Then he gets stunned instead of Helicath on Blue. My normal Jintoro comp does 120+ blue. And that's Jintoro, Fatman, Seeker, Rosh and Helo.

Honestly with Awakenings, I think Warcaster is fine in Tower's place. Just don't skimp on his damage cause he's a Block champ. :)

So just to be crystal-clear (apologies, since there are so many different variants here, I want to make sure I'm tracking correctly) - 

This tune: https://deadwoodjedi.com/speed-tunes/batman-forever/

With Jintoro as DPS, should be able to 1-key all colours?

SHOULD BE ABLE, yes.

It is 100% going to depend on how much your Relentless builds smack for him. I would ALSO want to double down and use Fatman as the second DPS to shore up landing Dec Def on Force, rather than Doomy. Doomy just comes in Fatman's place specifically for Spirit to clean the Dec Speeds.

I'm honestly sure you'll be fine, even without Fatman, with where you're at in the game. Just making it crystal for you that to one key Red with a Blue Dec Def/Weaken champ, even one as awesome as Jintoro, you'll need to not skimp on the gear for the team. You know, the "Your results may vary based on gear" disclaimer. :)

And that is the correct tune.

Specifically, you'll want Warcaster at 266 and Helicath at the 245.

Jintoro in Relentless at 246-247. Seeker at 248 (249 works too). Fatman/Doomy at the 220ish speed.

Not sure if you already decided but I love 'mythfu' myself and jintoro can be used in it.

Full auto from turn 1, 1 key, every difficulty and every affinity (UNM, nm, brutal).

For someone lazy like myself it's perfect damage isn't as massive as some of the comps but if it's a safe 1 key who cares?

He doesn't have Demytha, otherwise weould have recommended Demytha tunes as an option. :)

Alright. Comp is built. Tune seems to be holding steady, on blue at least. Now we see whether it gets the one-key :)

Okay - so other than Jintoro, the others are geared in mostly throwaway gear. Curious if this'll work on red.

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Here's what they had on:

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I think it's just spirit that will mess this up because doom priest will get stunned.

Switching jintoro to a force champion should fix it.

Edit : I think a 3 turn CD block debuff champ in place of doom priest, brogni, grizzled jarl, tatura, could also fit into the tune.

Apparently it works fine on spirit, as per Quinns earlier post. If so, spirit should be even bigger numbers bc jintoro is positive affinity. Red though, is weak affinity for him, which concerns me.

How is the stun dealt with? I must be missing something.

Those numbers are not gonna get it done on red, Krama. You'll need more than "mostly throwaway gear" to overcome that difference.

Here is what I would do, if building:

Drop Cruel and put Brimstone on Helicath. Much better blessing for CB overall, especially for a champ that goes 2:1 and gets frequent counterattacks. You will have the Smite debuff placed most of the time and it hits for 250k per proc.

Get Doomy or Warcaster or Seeker into Toxic. Those poison debuffs add up by the end of the fight.

Get Seeker smacking a bit harder if you can. A well built seeker can do 20 million, and will help you get over the Jintoro weak affinity hump. You can see he did 19ish on both Force (with Ally Attack) and with the Doomy build on non-force. (I tested Force for you this morning.)

Force run from today:

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Here it is with the doomy build...so you can compare Apples to Apples:

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