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Weapon Rebalance - Why are players the ones paying for it?

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S1LENCEModerator
May 23, 2024, 12:1005/23/24
02/05/20
71
nyla

Not really, though that's just my point of view. 

What should be done depends on the way a weapon has been nerfed, whether its a small one, medium one, or big one, alongside the way it effects gameplay. In case its a rather big change as it means for some players that they need to refit their mech, their pilot, and try a new strategy or new weapon that can be used instead. In some people's cases this means the mods they put effort into getting are now of less use/worth, and in rarer cases the pilots too or even mechs if the players planned around the weapons.

What should've been done (in my opinion) was nerfing some parts of the weapons and then buffing other parts to make up for it, maybe even offering a heavy mod removal discount towards the mods used for these weapons. However if the weapons won't gain some buffs to offset the nerfs, the least that should be done in this case is lowering the grade instead while making upgrading the weapons cheaper.


edit: I don't agree that players should get a big compensation though, but i do think this whole situation with the weapons could've be dealt with better.

And I agree with most of those points. The rebalance could have been made without completely destorying the usefulness of the weapons. The damage should have been increased to keep the average DPS around the same. There should have been an implant removal discount so that players get an option to move their resources to other weapons if they weren't satisfied with the rebalanced weapons. 


The main argument I was making was that while I see a lot of people asking for compensation for nerfed weapons, which is something I find funny because nobody ever argues for the opposite, i.e locking buffed weapons behind a paywall. 

Disclaimer before someone takes any of this out of context: *I* find it hilarious. My opinion does not reflect Plarium's stance on things.

May 23, 2024, 14:4805/23/24
04/06/23
40

You essentially pay for the buff to the weapon with upgrades, so damage, reload, etc. regardless, why would anyone argue for the opposite of compensation regarding nerfs? it can really be any form of compensation, like a compensatio could include a buff to a weapon that was also nerfed, so you reduce its damage by X and then you increase its range by X in return. Something, anything really like that would be appreciated, but alas the company you work for didn't do it that way which is probably why there are disgruntled players wanting a form of compensation.

May 23, 2024, 21:1005/23/24
07/09/23
229
S1LENCE

And I agree with most of those points. The rebalance could have been made without completely destorying the usefulness of the weapons. The damage should have been increased to keep the average DPS around the same. There should have been an implant removal discount so that players get an option to move their resources to other weapons if they weren't satisfied with the rebalanced weapons. 


The main argument I was making was that while I see a lot of people asking for compensation for nerfed weapons, which is something I find funny because nobody ever argues for the opposite, i.e locking buffed weapons behind a paywall. 

Disclaimer before someone takes any of this out of context: *I* find it hilarious. My opinion does not reflect Plarium's stance on things.

You must understand the circumstances which caused players to demand compensation. It is specifically because of the lack of an implant removal discoun, forcing players to spend their own resources to change implants after a rebalance

May 23, 2024, 23:5305/23/24
03/10/22
1
CrystalDrew


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Here is my win rate. I'm playing ONLY with DLs and ATs. From my perspective, the rebalance is minor, and it didn't change the effectiveness of these Weapons much. Definitely not 50%. But once again, it's my opinion and my skills, I believe that players may have issues and recommend changing the strategy and tactics

CrystalDrew, your scores in FFA mode are very low, you will never be in the top 3 in the tournament with these scores. Game management is getting worse day by day. If you don't care about losing players, keep it up, congratulations.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
May 24, 2024, 07:0605/24/24
May 24, 2024, 07:37(edited)
02/10/23
2031
Kaos

CrystalDrew, your scores in FFA mode are very low, you will never be in the top 3 in the tournament with these scores. Game management is getting worse day by day. If you don't care about losing players, keep it up, congratulations.

Hello! I don't aim to win any Tournament. I play just for fun when I have time apart from my work. Not to boast, but based on my experience and the screenshot, I assume I could win a Tournament hands down. However, I don't have enough time.

Could you please elaborate on your statement about game management? What would you like to change or improve?

May 24, 2024, 11:4305/24/24
May 24, 2024, 11:43(edited)
01/22/22
13
CrystalDrew

Hello! I don't aim to win any Tournament. I play just for fun when I have time apart from my work. Not to boast, but based on my experience and the screenshot, I assume I could win a Tournament hands down. However, I don't have enough time.

Could you please elaborate on your statement about game management? What would you like to change or improve?

Specifically: "I assume I could win a Tournament hands down" .. with NOMAD & EMBER GUN in low hangar mode (hangar less then 1k or similar) U CAN DO more than 1000 points 4 game WITH ONLY 1 HAND!!

How we can compete with them? 

Counter they?? looooool

May 24, 2024, 21:1705/24/24
02/21/24
4
S1LENCE

And I agree with most of those points. The rebalance could have been made without completely destorying the usefulness of the weapons. The damage should have been increased to keep the average DPS around the same. There should have been an implant removal discount so that players get an option to move their resources to other weapons if they weren't satisfied with the rebalanced weapons. 


The main argument I was making was that while I see a lot of people asking for compensation for nerfed weapons, which is something I find funny because nobody ever argues for the opposite, i.e locking buffed weapons behind a paywall. 

Disclaimer before someone takes any of this out of context: *I* find it hilarious. My opinion does not reflect Plarium's stance on things.

LOL when will you ever hear anyone argue for the purpose to pay more. HAHA, i think your unique to get a laugh out of the idea to fight for the reversed arguement. 

Pilot implants (just running my mouth)

Furthermore, in regards to the implants. You can obviously recognize that these people gameplay developers are not in their position due to skillful design or coding but for the fact they see oppertunities of creating money traps. For example, when creating a second roster or lineup in your hangar. The mechs arent paired with the previous weapon OR pilot, yet the pilots are still paired with the implants. The trap is to encourage different weapon and pilot combo for each lineup because of the tiny amount of acoins you have to spend or lose your pilot marks for a stronger upgrade, and to continue this tiny spend multiple times to wear out your acoin savings so you potent buy more to upgrade your mechs or weapons. They also stimulate the acoin purchase tendency by releasing objectives that require you to upgrade. Wonder why you  have battle points, tickets, fortune coins, and crate rushes? its all to sell sell and 9ii?. . 


(Personal Suggestions/questions, and wtf's)***


#1-in my oppinion, they should abolish the pilot marks, and have your implant quality depicted by the grade of the implant. they already have 3 kinds, and that means all mplants have 3 versions one stronger then the other. 

#2- you should only receive blueprints for the weapons and mechs you have aquired. i have an abundance of surge blueprints but none for onyx. i dont even own surge. 

#3-  please change this $100 average rate of merchandis. Americans are dealing with a bunch of economic issues and $100 is more like $1000 right now. 

#4- can we get a teamchat feature on this beotch im tired of my squad stepping in front of my attacks. sometimes they are the best player on the opponents team.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
May 27, 2024, 11:5705/27/24
02/10/23
2031
Pilot

Specifically: "I assume I could win a Tournament hands down" .. with NOMAD & EMBER GUN in low hangar mode (hangar less then 1k or similar) U CAN DO more than 1000 points 4 game WITH ONLY 1 HAND!!

How we can compete with them? 

Counter they?? looooool

Be sure that I don't use tanking and stuff. But note that I don't deny and confirm that this issue exists. We are actively working on it at this moment.

May 28, 2024, 01:1905/28/24
04/06/23
40
CrystalDrew

Be sure that I don't use tanking and stuff. But note that I don't deny and confirm that this issue exists. We are actively working on it at this moment.

Alas, every time a hole is patched it seems another one opens

May 28, 2024, 18:0405/28/24
04/06/23
40
_Yelwor_

LOL when will you ever hear anyone argue for the purpose to pay more. HAHA, i think your unique to get a laugh out of the idea to fight for the reversed arguement. 

Pilot implants (just running my mouth)

Furthermore, in regards to the implants. You can obviously recognize that these people gameplay developers are not in their position due to skillful design or coding but for the fact they see oppertunities of creating money traps. For example, when creating a second roster or lineup in your hangar. The mechs arent paired with the previous weapon OR pilot, yet the pilots are still paired with the implants. The trap is to encourage different weapon and pilot combo for each lineup because of the tiny amount of acoins you have to spend or lose your pilot marks for a stronger upgrade, and to continue this tiny spend multiple times to wear out your acoin savings so you potent buy more to upgrade your mechs or weapons. They also stimulate the acoin purchase tendency by releasing objectives that require you to upgrade. Wonder why you  have battle points, tickets, fortune coins, and crate rushes? its all to sell sell and 9ii?. . 


(Personal Suggestions/questions, and wtf's)***


#1-in my oppinion, they should abolish the pilot marks, and have your implant quality depicted by the grade of the implant. they already have 3 kinds, and that means all mplants have 3 versions one stronger then the other. 

#2- you should only receive blueprints for the weapons and mechs you have aquired. i have an abundance of surge blueprints but none for onyx. i dont even own surge. 

#3-  please change this $100 average rate of merchandis. Americans are dealing with a bunch of economic issues and $100 is more like $1000 right now. 

#4- can we get a teamchat feature on this beotch im tired of my squad stepping in front of my attacks. sometimes they are the best player on the opponents team.

Plarium would probably get a lot more money if they lowered the prices of everything because people are more likely to spend a max of 20 dollars every so often as opposed to 100-150 dollars. So if they would just stop with these egregious prices than that would be nice.

Jun 1, 2024, 15:3306/01/24
03/28/24
1

Encontré una solución, ya no gastaré ni madres en mech ni armas 😀

Jun 1, 2024, 21:5506/01/24
10/06/23
1

This game has became a pay to win. They screw over players to force you to purchase overpriced weapons then do this reduction after we figure out what to use to win. No longer buying anything from this game and been leaving 1 star reviews on app sites to inform new users these tactics. 

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Jun 4, 2024, 09:5206/04/24
02/10/23
2031
DanO Death

This game has became a pay to win. They screw over players to force you to purchase overpriced weapons then do this reduction after we figure out what to use to win. No longer buying anything from this game and been leaving 1 star reviews on app sites to inform new users these tactics. 

Spending in Mech Arena is voluntary. It expedites your progress and offers early access to new features, but winning is not guaranteed.

Jun 11, 2024, 18:4206/11/24
11/27/21
30

Nerfing weapons is voluntary.  Crediting players the lost a-coins and credits from such downgrades would cost Plarium absolutely nothing.  Buyer beware to those even considering giving Plarium any of your money.

Jun 16, 2024, 17:2006/16/24
04/16/19
22

If you maxed a weapon, with a maxed legendary pilot with maxed legendary implants, you will shred wildly even if your weapon of choice got nerfed. End of discussion.

Jun 22, 2024, 12:5806/22/24
11/27/21
30

And for the rest of us that aren't maxed?  We aren't maxed because our a-coins and credits were spent trying to get our weapons to a useful level.......only to have them nerfed! 

I do agree with you that getting those wasted credits and a-coins back, to put towards the mech, pilot and implants in an effort to offset the degraded weapons, would be a reasonable expectation.