BiohazarD said:

Jezebel said:

this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here

If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

BiohazarD said:

Jezebel said:

this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here

If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

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djmoody said:

And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories

hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards

Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000

djmoody said:

What is your top level BG? How much defence do you have left?

Hi

my top level bg as mission is 95 and all balur units inside

my total defense its arround 6.3M

Inaginni said:

Solidarius said:

Inaginni said:

Oracle said:

-snip-

If you manage to come up with a good theory that works better than the ~15% tax rate (I'm pretty sure that's the right number, but haven't checked recently) then good on you! I do agree testing things is important, and, while DJ does look like he comes across as anti-testing anything other than what he says (to paraphrase your second paragraph there), from my experience with him and Bio it's probably b/c they have tried other things already.

In DJ's defense the trick does exist (or at least did a few months ago - haven't heard of or seen others do it since then myself). I've seen quite a few members of KoK Elite and KoK go through the process. I was offered the chance to go through it, but refused as the trick basically wipes BGs as content in the game (Not that they're any good with the tax, but it gets much, much worse after the trick). Also, considering how much free troop power it gives, why in the world would you expect him to tell you the specifics? That he even gives hints to it is astonishing.

....................................................Why bring this up again?

you do realize saying shit like "There is a trick to get 30-50million free troop power" is the equivalent of saying in real life " I know how to make 1million dollars in 24hours and you can to!' 

NOONE is going to believe you and they will call you out and unless you can provide proof, if your not going to do that then why bring it up in the first place... its like your looking for problems and bragging and YES I am one of those who is calling him out on it , he already said he will not write a guide so just let it be what it is.

you know whats astonishing, its how every time one of these "tricks" gets discovered BG's get harder and harder for the people that need them the most.

either drop the thing or provide EVIDENCE , pick 1, and please your telling me you said no to 30-50million free troop power when you know that BG's are mostly a loss making system?

WTF... how much $ do you spend on the game to even consider this?

p.s. your word is not a solid defense to the "trick" being real.

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I'm sorry Solidarius, but when I see someone I consider a friend being attacked about what I know to be true, I'm not going to just look the other way. I wont give evidence either as it is not mine to give. I did not create the trick.

Yes, I did refuse to do it. I guess the reason was left a little short so I do apologize for that. The full reason was that I had heard from those that had done the BG trick how it had made the game boring for quite a few of them, with quite a few talking about quitting/ playing much less after 4-6 months. I was personally surprised that, despite gaining so much troop power, that losing BGs as content would affect how they play the game so much. However, DJ made a post in the past showing that BGs can be boiled down to about 1/3 of the content in game, so it does make some sense that removing them would significantly reduce the playability of the game. Also, at the time it was first offered to me, BGs were still somewhat-ish profitable (this was a while back, and I still could get about 105-110% average payouts from BGs).

I was not ready/ willing to grow tired of the game at the time. I was having fun with my friends and didn't want anything to cast a shadow on that time, as it had for quite a few of them.

Also, I don't spend any money on the game and I do realize that it's not the evidence you wanted. As I mentioned, the purpose of the previous post was expressing support for a friend, since I knew he was right.

There is nothing wrong in supporting your friend, good for you my friend :D

It is true that BG's are a big part of the game and your reason is logical for the most part.

forgive me for the attack but It was and still is surprising to me that any player especially a "free 2 play" would say no to free troop power ...I know for a fact that I would not.... unless it was some kind of "ban" worthy exploit.

I come on the forums to learn more about the game, and I do appreciate both oracle and dj's posts since they are both "Veteran" players regardless of whos right/wrong.

your word is still not solid evidence that the "trick" exists, nor do I plan on chasing a dream, I will let you know now that if I do stumble upon such a trick(highly unlikely) I will be posting a guide of these forums <>

p.s. Do you know who created the "trick"?

Inaginni said:

Solidarius said:

-snip-

I am much younger than DJ, probably young enough to be his kid :). But the trick does exist, and DJ will never put it into view, I only heard of it, but I will try to rediscover it myself. although it might take a while, and the is a possibility it doesn't work any more, But I doubt it. Knowing KoK they might have come with something better, and are spilling the beans on something no longer cool. I am not saing in any ways he hasn't given advice, He does so in a way that it, that it appears unhelpful.. Which is the case here.

As someone who knows the trick (or at least the few months old version, if it changed), I can say he's given more hints than you think. The most powerful one is that he's said it's not like doing them normally (i.e. the way most bg guides have been created to date). I do recommend keeping track of resources, as DJ recommended, as it should eventually lead you down the correct path as you try things out.

I do agree, though, that DJ doesn't always hand out good information in the best way possible. Yet, to his credit, he does persist in trying to help even when those he's trying to help are actively attacking him.

I fell out with DJ, when he actively attacked me for making an innocent and known fact. But I haven't per say actively attacked him. It might have been taken as offensive, but it was not in my intent. nor was his intent to mislead player. I like to tell things like they are, and that might appear offensive, but as Jumy used to say ''truth hurts''.

I am not going to apologize to him, for telling the truth, But dragging a '' you can make 50 mill troops'' in a ''BG rediscovery''. He actively mislead the public. And I believe he should at least apologize for that. 

And the KoK/friends must at least stop backing him up for actively misleading the community.

DJ can in the meantime debate against/for the post in the manner that will not give rise to more controversy.

Solidarius said:

Inaginni said:

Oracle said:

-snip-

If you manage to come up with a good theory that works better than the ~15% tax rate (I'm pretty sure that's the right number, but haven't checked recently) then good on you! I do agree testing things is important, and, while DJ does look like he comes across as anti-testing anything other than what he says (to paraphrase your second paragraph there), from my experience with him and Bio it's probably b/c they have tried other things already.

In DJ's defense the trick does exist (or at least did a few months ago - haven't heard of or seen others do it since then myself). I've seen quite a few members of KoK Elite and KoK go through the process. I was offered the chance to go through it, but refused as the trick basically wipes BGs as content in the game (Not that they're any good with the tax, but it gets much, much worse after the trick). Also, considering how much free troop power it gives, why in the world would you expect him to tell you the specifics? That he even gives hints to it is astonishing.

....................................................Why bring this up again?

you do realize saying shit like "There is a trick to get 30-50million free troop power" is the equivalent of saying in real life " I know how to make 1million dollars in 24hours and you can to!' 

NOONE is going to believe you and they will call you out and unless you can provide proof, if your not going to do that then why bring it up in the first place... its like your looking for problems and bragging and YES I am one of those who is calling him out on it , he already said he will not write a guide so just let it be what it is.

you know whats astonishing, its how every time one of these "tricks" gets discovered BG's get harder and harder for the people that need them the most.

either drop the thing or provide EVIDENCE , pick 1, and please your telling me you said no to 30-50million free troop power when you know that BG's are mostly a loss making system?

WTF... how much $ do you spend on the game to even consider this?

p.s. your word is not a solid defense to the "trick" being real.

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I'm sorry Solidarius, but when I see someone I consider a friend being attacked about what I know to be true, I'm not going to just look the other way. I wont give evidence either as it is not mine to give. I did not create the trick.

Yes, I did refuse to do it. I guess the reason was left a little short so I do apologize for that. The full reason was that I had heard from those that had done the BG trick how it had made the game boring for quite a few of them, with quite a few talking about quitting/ playing much less after 4-6 months. I was personally surprised that, despite gaining so much troop power, that losing BGs as content would affect how they play the game so much. However, DJ made a post in the past showing that BGs can be boiled down to about 1/3 of the content in game, so it does make some sense that removing them would significantly reduce the playability of the game. Also, at the time it was first offered to me, BGs were still somewhat-ish profitable (this was a while back, and I still could get about 105-110% average payouts from BGs).

I was not ready/ willing to grow tired of the game at the time. I was having fun with my friends and didn't want anything to cast a shadow on that time, as it had for quite a few of them.

Also, I don't spend any money on the game and I do realize that it's not the evidence you wanted. As I mentioned, the purpose of the previous post was expressing support for a friend, since I knew he was right.

Oracle said:

Solidarius said:

-snip-

I am much younger than DJ, probably young enough to be his kid :). But the trick does exist, and DJ will never put it into view, I only heard of it, but I will try to rediscover it myself. although it might take a while, and the is a possibility it doesn't work any more, But I doubt it. Knowing KoK they might have come with something better, and are spilling the beans on something no longer cool. I am not saing in any ways he hasn't given advice, He does so in a way that it, that it appears unhelpful.. Which is the case here.

As someone who knows the trick (or at least the few months old version, if it changed), I can say he's given more hints than you think. The most powerful one is that he's said it's not like doing them normally (i.e. the way most bg guides have been created to date). I do recommend keeping track of resources, as DJ recommended, as it should eventually lead you down the correct path as you try things out.

I do agree, though, that DJ doesn't always hand out good information in the best way possible. Yet, to his credit, he does persist in trying to help even when those he's trying to help are actively attacking him.

Solidarius said:

Look I believe we all have the same thing in common to understand more about BG's and use them to make our castles stronger

No need for personal attacks and other bullshit... leave your feelings aside, I know many of you are "older" and let your "pride" get in the way... no need for that...

What DJ moody said about killing Saga quests I can confirm is true... that's why I do them they do net profit, although it does take me some time I am currently at the lvl 44 SAGAS, and waiting to train enough units to take it down.

Oracle "Theory" in my opinion does have some "truth" to it, I have experienced it myself .... I have not properly "banked" enough troops and have hit a random BG and it has given me a "payout" that should not exist according to the bank theory...

Can anyone explain why this is so?

I am much younger than DJ, probably young enough to be his kid :). But the trick does exist, and DJ will never put it into view, I only heard of it, but I will try to rediscover it myself. although it might take a while, and the is a possibility it doesn't work any more, But I doubt it. Knowing KoK they might have come with something better, and are spilling the beans on something no longer cool.

I am not saing in any ways he hasn't given advice, He does so in a way that it, that it appears unhelpful.. Which is the case here.  

Oracle said:

BiohazarD said:

Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  

The is no logic in any of what you say.

What Bank, Plarium has not in any ways admitted to the fact that BG have a bank, and there is simply no way that a bank can run negative if it runs in cash, which will be  real units, and not in loans or credit( negative units).

If it runs in loand and credit, than it will be logical to get units free from BG

Can you provide proof that there is so called bank, and that it can run ''negative, and that it can be loaded, and show that actual number, and screenshot, video of you loading the so called bank, and it running negative. 

there is no such thing as bank.

 Well known theory regarding BG that are False

1. BG have a bank

2. BG should be done with certain units, according to BG strength calculator

3. BG can run negative positive or whatever. 

Here is my theory

Bg have a set formula

these formular give a sweetspot BG

When these formula is followed as thorough as possible will give a value back in units, The amount sweetspot are normally 1 or 2, but so far I have never found over 5 BG. Those BG will almost give back a ''reward'' that is consistence with how much of Bular units you have killed before battling and completing these ''sweetspot'' BG. 

your units have no effect on the BG, but only on on bular units. So far finding that ''sweetspot'' BG is a trouble, as it can be any BG of the 60 in total. But the entire process is not random, and you can only influence it by how much balur units you kill. That is why its adviceable to complete BG the way Oberon showed you when starting out on the game, to avoid losing units till you hit that ''sweetspot'' BG.

keep in mind the ''sweetspot BG'' is not influenced by how much units you used to kill the last BG but by how much of Bular units you have killed, that is why you should use boost, and relics when completing BG. Primary reason also why plarium introduced partially defensive, partially offensive units. 

Look I believe we all have the same thing in common to understand more about BG's and use them to make our castles stronger

No need for personal attacks and other bullshit... leave your feelings aside, I know many of you are "older" and let your "pride" get in the way... no need for that...

What DJ moody said about killing Saga quests I can confirm is true... that's why I do them they do net profit, although it does take me some time I am currently at the lvl 44 SAGAS, and waiting to train enough units to take it down.

Oracle "Theory" in my opinion does have some "truth" to it, I have experienced it myself .... I have not properly "banked" enough troops and have hit a random BG and it has given me a "payout" that should not exist according to the bank theory...

Can anyone explain why this is so?

djmoody said:

And as to the rest of the sh1t you posted about me, the following all taken from Mark's post that you referenced....

But hell I never give out help and advice do I ........ shame on you for you post Orcale, shame on you. Not the first time you have slandered me in this forum either. I won't hold my breathe for the needed appology though.

Its a good thing you are not going to hold your breath, I am not going to apologize.

If trying to come up with a different theory about BG makes me a bad person, disrespectful or whatever, if trying to disprove a theory that evryone belives to be true, without prove to validate such a believe, and contest for such.

One thing is clear, more and more people are quitting playing BG, because the methods we have, are not fruitful.

I have one objectives, to understand BGs, if that makes me a bad person, then I will rather be ten times a bad person.

If posting and saying there is a method of getting 50 mil troops, and not saying how, makes you a hero, and you are proud of being such a hero, then carry on Sir. Because I will never join your path. 

DJ these is not a threat about you or your league, and a BG trick that everybody knows about and then you pretend otherwise so that you can just fancy, and brag people out.

Dj Moody said 

You tried to post like you knew something about BG's when in actuality you are clueless.
You tried to make out that no one knows anything about BGs. That is simply not true. 

Anyone who have spend 30 min chatting with me knows, that I will in that 30 min ask more than 3 times ''how do you BG'', i have letters from more than 25 friendly players in the BG ranking, and all of them gave me advice with regards to BG, one of which i have posted here not long ago. So yes I am clueless, like those 25 players, whom admitted to me the are clueless too. The only person who is saying he has a clue about BG are members of the KoK, who have so far done nothing but troll these post with, that is a lie, that is not a true,, and have not in anyway tried to justify their claims. whether that is being ''helpful'' I can't be the judge. 

Dj Moody said 

Your post is dangerous as it potentially confuses the players even more.

I totally agree with you, your post are dangerous. In any debate, opinions are debunked with facts, as so far you have not done so, you only posted a bomb that would not be useful to anyone doing BG higher than 60, and having a moderate offence power, (its not 100 mil according to my sources). 

Debunk these ''confusions'' with facts. 

Jumy post a BG calculator, you simply say its incorrect, and false, why you don't tell, Even jumy BG troop counts and Lord Mark advice, you just said they are not true. You never said why.

In fact I have never heard any advice from you in regards with BG, other than ''correct'', ''not true'' comments. 

Dj Moody said 

As you will know I quite often debunk incorrect information posted about BG's. In this case I simply came into your thread to show that everything you wrote was utterly incorrect and false. 

So yes I do belong in this thread and will be involve myself in any future thread where misinformation is passed out (whether intentionally or unintentionally).

I have never seen any proof of you debunking anything in these forum, other than you calling people out and writing assays, saying something is not true. 

I have learned that , when i said Emperors have a paypal, but it wasn't used for buying hammer, initially, but for reviving.

You just say something is not true, but never say how or why, with facts, like images, formulas or anything like that. 

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

Its not a trick per say, As far as i heard it, just a rouse. I wonder why you thought It will work 

Don't pretend you have any idea what it is or how it works - you don't. You started a thread that said no one knows anything remember.

And I think it works cause I have used it 25-30 times (once for me and then helping league mates and allies). It's not a theory or an idea it's a thing :)

Unfortunately you have to get to a certain size to run the trick (well to run it effectively), which limits the number of people that have used it.

And you know what really puts the icing on the cake. The BG mechanic that makes it possible - Plarium swear blind it doesn't exist - cause BG's are "working as intended" which losely translated means Plarium don't have a clue anymore how they work. People that understood the code have long since left the company I suspect.

DJ these is not a threat about you or your league, and a BG trick that everybody knows about and then you pretend otherwise so that you can just fancy, and brag people out. 

Its not a BG are not working threat, its a BG alternative theory Bg, for those who feels like the current BG theory are not working for them, or are not conclusive enough to guarantee a 100% win. 

So if you have any other, ''trick'' I don't wanna hear about it, especially from KoK, as these BG stuff goings wrong is partly their faults.

Example 

 We know that  

 Bg power from level 1-30 is a vision of 

Tn=5(BG level)^2+15(BG level) + X

but X is not static, it change from 70 to over 1000 from BG 1 to 30. these proof that the formula is either wrong( as in not arithmetic) or not properly found out.  

Stop bragging that you know BG, and have Some ''secrets'' or some ''fancy'' BG ''masters'' in your league. your bragging is not helping anyone its just plain confusing people. If you have something to say, rather say it, or if its your league ''secret'' which everyone knows about, then keep quit about it. But if you want to debate these topic then please feel free to do so, and in the process help many people. maybe debunk my theories. But please don't brag. 

Thank you for the reply DJMoody!

I will take your initial advice and won't do BG's other than the reasons that I have stated previous.

I don't believe this "Free"  troop power "trick" exists and I am not one to look for a needle in a haystack

Edit: I deleted some stuff, before I sounded like a child who is mad about bg's/coiners and that was not my intention XD

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brunsonthomas said:

This is a Free game. Everything in it is useless outside the game except the friends you make in it. The money you spend on things in the game make it easier to play but cannot leave the game. Free 30 to 50 million strength I am afraid is a story. At the very least to achieve such an end you would need over 100 million force to start with.

True BrunsonThomas it is a free game... but no offense your not the one who has stated "yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is." and that  "I tricked my account for 80m free power under the old trick - so there is evidence somewhere on the forums also."

whats the point the saying that "At the very least to achieve such an end you would need over 100 million force to start with."

that's like saying it takes money to make money... noone cares about that I want to know how to make money without having it in the first place.

If I had 100million troop power TRUST me, I would not be worried about "FREE" stuff because my credit card can handle the rest.

So I ask again is there a way to use BG's to make 30-50million "Free" troop power, or are u guys just busting peoples nutz?

p.s. Im just curious is all, please dont take offense all you "coiners" we need you :D <>

I enjoy the game just fine... I just don't want people reading this post thinking there is a "magical" way to do BG's and earn 30-50million FREE troop power and get "tricked" ( no pun intended) into putting all their efforts and receiving no rewards and losing all their troops.

If you have proof that a "trick" exists to receiving "FREE" troop power then show me, don't give me bullshit about "I can't tell you because then everyone will know the secret and I wont have an advantage anymore"

if that is the case....why bring it up in the first place?

btw "they" aka "coiners" don't play this game for enjoyment they play this game because of addiction and money spent.

djmoody said:

And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories

hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards

Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000

djmoody said:

And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories

hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards

Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000

Oracle said:

Another way people  do it is to complete a BG completely, from lowest till the BG they want to claim at. for these they will need a spread shit, detailing the amount of units in each of BG, and complete the BG after BG until 

I really hope they don't, lol