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15 листоп. 2016, 20:1415.11.16
15 листоп. 2016, 20:14(edited)
23.12.14
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Well i agree on this post and I can tell you this much.. The Ratcoms lay down their swords and will not take part in this kind of event unless we are attacked ofc. We will protect whats ours.

But i belive any marshal with respect for themself should not take any part at all and league as well,,
15 листоп. 2016, 17:5115.11.16
21.12.14
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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Good morning, dear players!

Let me shed some light on this Tournament for you.

First of all, we are not planning to cancel it. It hasn't been launched yet, so right now you can only imagine how it would look like. However, your feedback after the Massacre will be extremely important, and I would like you to share it on Forum: 

1) What you like about the Tournament.

2) What you don't like and why.

3) Your ideas for Tournament improvements.

Now let's discuss the points highlighted in your original post:

1. It is coiners based

This event is not for single players, it's for Leagues. It will require coordinated attacks and a lot of efforts to take down your biggest enemies. Some Leagues may want to capture as much Beacons as they can. However, we shouldn't forget that they will need not only Offense to do that, but also Defense to hold them. And a lot of it. 

2. It will destroy the game

This Tournament was designed to add some action to the game. In most cases players don't attack each other's Beacons, because Units are destroyed permanently. This Tournament gives you a chance to have some fun without huge losses. 

3. It favors leagues oriented on offense

As I said above, you can't succeed in this Tournament if you're just oriented on Offense. Once you (your League) capture the Beacon, you need to hold it. And you will need a lot of Defense to do that. Other Leagues may also want to recapture your Beacons, so without Defense you can just kill someone's Units, but don't change your League's position on the global Map.

Moreover, both: Offensive and Defensive players will be able to restore 90% of their losses for free after the Tournament.

5. We just don't want it 

Just give it a try. You haven't participated in it yet. Maybe you'll love it!

CLUELESS!!!.......JUST CLUELESS!!!!
15 листоп. 2016, 13:2115.11.16
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Ely said:

oracle said:


We the players of Untamed Land, and Dark Plain hereby demand that Plarium stop implementing the mention tournament



On the basis that

1. It is coiners based

2. It will destroy the game

3. It favorsm leagues oriented on offense

5. We just don't want it 

We just don't want it 


15 листоп. 2016, 11:3115.11.16
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I also agree !


Los Cazadores will not participate in the beacom massacre 


Best Regards


Phoenix


Diplomat Los Cazadores

15 листоп. 2016, 09:3415.11.16
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Who cares about all the money some of us spent to upgrade these beacons.

Who cares about all the players that will loose everything because they are on vacation.

who cares about all the hard work leagues have put in with there diplomacy and treaties to negotiate there territory and beacon swaps.


I don't see what the big deal is.
15 листоп. 2016, 09:1815.11.16
07.10.14
143
right our league the ratcoms will stand down all attacks on any beacons  while this  tourney goes on  we will respect all that  do the same
15 листоп. 2016, 08:2015.11.16
15 листоп. 2016, 08:22(edited)
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Petetion, I AGREE stop the madness

Aye i BL.OODY AGREE its pure madness on the game. Bad enough you got coiner leagues daily trying to push out non-coiners.

 But this is going too far. Does Plarium want to see the game die? Does it want to see most of its player base go? If so go on with this bl.oody bu.gger of a coiners delight tournament and finish putting the nails into the games coffin. Otherwise bu.gger off on messing with our game as its already got several key things to fix first and LISTEN , Truly listen to your players and their petetions.


As to a Game-Wide Truce during it, Apocalypse Horsemen are in on it if the others are

3 груд. 2016, 10:1603.12.16
03.08.14
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welcome back Jumy
2 груд. 2016, 21:0402.12.16
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IronApex Turok said:


Gadheras said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Sifr said:


The stupidity of this tourney is that those who don't have what it takes to hold a beacon but have what it takes to take down a beacon flourished. It doesn't matter, they can attack randomly all they lost is 10% of the offense. While the one who holds beacon? They lost 10% of the def, they lost all their effort to upgrade the beacons, they need to retake it again if they want to hold it possibly after they tourney ends. All these will result in beacons being abandoned, obsolete. And this is what plarium wanted apparently so people will flock to fortress..


The worst tourney that ever invented.
Thank you for the feedback. It will be passed to our developers.

We got no idea who the devs are. It could be a trained monkey or a hamster in a cage for all we know -)


- Does each Plarium game got their own dev team?

If not, how many dev cycles is allocated to each game?

How many coders, gfx artists and so on work at Plarium? How many of these work on like Stormfall?


I'm spiled, With EVE I can attend fanfest, go to dev round tables, talk to devs, ask questions, heck you can even go pubing with the devs and get smashed with them.....


With Plarium they are stoved away in some dark cave, not seeing sunlight :p


http://company.plarium.com/news/featured/play-hard-to-work-hard-the-perks-of-being-a-game-designer/



here is a start to your answer. 

"Being a Game Designer is what a lot of gamers would consider to be a dream job; and I would have to agree. Yes, we do get paid to play games but we also manage to get a bit of work done too! Apart from having a lot of fun playing games we are actually working. The idea is this: the more a game designer knows about games, the better the Game Designer!"


But they don't play their own games, at least not in the same enviroment the actual players do, so they clueless about their own games. Cute.

2 груд. 2016, 18:1002.12.16
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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Sifr said:


The stupidity of this tourney is that those who don't have what it takes to hold a beacon but have what it takes to take down a beacon flourished. It doesn't matter, they can attack randomly all they lost is 10% of the offense. While the one who holds beacon? They lost 10% of the def, they lost all their effort to upgrade the beacons, they need to retake it again if they want to hold it possibly after they tourney ends. All these will result in beacons being abandoned, obsolete. And this is what plarium wanted apparently so people will flock to fortress..


The worst tourney that ever invented.
Thank you for the feedback. It will be passed to our developers.

We got no idea who the devs are. It could be a trained monkey or a hamster in a cage for all we know -)


- Does each Plarium game got their own dev team?

If not, how many dev cycles is allocated to each game?

How many coders, gfx artists and so on work at Plarium? How many of these work on like Stormfall?


I'm spiled, With EVE I can attend fanfest, go to dev round tables, talk to devs, ask questions, heck you can even go pubing with the devs and get smashed with them.....


With Plarium they are stoved away in some dark cave, not seeing sunlight :p


2 груд. 2016, 12:5302.12.16
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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Sifr said:

The stupidity of this tourney is that those who don't have what it takes to hold a beacon but have what it takes to take down a beacon flourished. It doesn't matter, they can attack randomly all they lost is 10% of the offense. While the one who holds beacon? They lost 10% of the def, they lost all their effort to upgrade the beacons, they need to retake it again if they want to hold it possibly after they tourney ends. All these will result in beacons being abandoned, obsolete. And this is what plarium wanted apparently so people will flock to fortress..


The worst tourney that ever invented.
Thank you for the feedback. It will be passed to our developers.
Take your time. I expect nothing. 
28 листоп. 2016, 21:3428.11.16
28 листоп. 2016, 21:44(edited)
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in an effort to not use capital letters and offend the moderator-who-shall-not-be-named i will drop the capitals completely. 


it has become pretty clear that plarium has no regard for player opinion and its all about the numbers. alonya commented in another thread that "the numbers showed there was higher participation in the last beacon massacre than there has been in previous events." 

i am sure there was, because many people were frantically trying to protect their beacons from the massive armies the mega coiners can field. when there are no repercussions to throwing your entire easily bought army at a beacon, then why not go wild? the effect on the majority of players who are only casual spenders is massive though. 

coiners can revive all but 10% of losses from each attack, but non-coiners can not. Attack, revive, and attack again until the non-coiners run out of troops - beacon lost, and no defense troops until after the massacre ends. Free 95% revival at that point means very little when the beacons are gone, and you would have to kill off millions of offense to take them back - without a revival.

i'd like to take a survey - how many forum readers would quit the game if your league's beacons were attacked by a coining league, and you lost the beacons due to this tournament? 


28 листоп. 2016, 12:5328.11.16
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IronApex Turok said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:




I will pass this feedback to our devs.

THIS IS WHAT WE ALL EXPECTED WHEN  YOU PASS OUR FEEDBACK TO THE DEVS.


IT SEEMS THEY ALWAYS DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHATS BEST.


I CANT BELIEVE YOU ARE RUNNING THIS EVENT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

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17 листоп. 2016, 11:5217.11.16
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IronApex Turok said:


we dont want an event that upsets 4-5 years of hard work. Everything the players have struggled to achieve gets destroyed in 12 hours of an event with no rewards. 


I will pass this feedback to our devs.
3 груд. 2016, 21:4103.12.16
15.05.16
70

The Beacon Massacre is an amazing addition to the game. Obviously this opinion is not well shared, so here is why I view it as good, not perfect; but better than what most events in the game currently consist of... etc, BG's "championships"... XP Exhibition's and other's like Build your castle buildings up. Usually stale and the same players win due to having more gems to spend on sketches (which needs to be addressed, too $$$).


1: Beacons are not something that every player or league are going to have or be involved with, since most p2p players coordinate with others, resulting in a league who may spend, collectively $500+ a month, with this tournament this gives players a chance to attack massively over defended beacons and not lose their whole army, and thus causing them to quit, since most of server 2 is empty due to not being able to afford irl to rebuild or wait several months to rebuild even a few million offense.


2: Why are we bashing this?! Plarium is already struggling with players who don't spend money daily on this game, and this is something we would like to see more of. 90% revival is amazing and generates more PvP which generates more server activity. From what I see.... Most players who dislike this event are in leagues with 5 beacons or more and are just afraid of losing units or a beacon/influence. War game's are not supposed to be something where players are afraid to see "fake virtual armies" destroyed. Lol, come on people, it's a game, not real life. If you lose a beacon, turn around and get it back! 

3: The event also attracts leagues to coordinate and attack a single beacon, resulting in a more "war like" environment much like this game is advertised. No single beacon is going to fall due to a few players, there are ALWAYS going to be losses when you deal with overtaking or defending beacons. Huge epic battles are something they want to see, and with this, you will see them more often. 


tl;dr = coiners need to relax and let the f2p players enjoy the amazing revival boost plarium is offering, it's just a game, and whining and stating that this is not a good idea is just content with training troops and sitting back. We need more players and this will help. From what I have read, in this thread, most players have just said the same thing over again repackaged as to why it's a good idea, and 99% of you are guys are massive p2p :/ 


consider the less fortunate

3 груд. 2016, 22:2703.12.16
03.08.14
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1) this event doesnt change any of that.


2) yes, the leagues, who have spent REAL LIFE MONEY to get these beacons and has taken them years to acquire them are now in jeapardy of losing them to casual players.  capturing  beacons have been the end goal to the game. (more on that below)  


3) there are single players out there who can take down a beacon by themselves. I have one or two in my league.  I know of several other leagues with that ability. 


The combination of this event and the the addition of the fortresses have totally devalued beacons.  even the DE is nullified with 50% boosts made available on demand and troops dont starve in the catacombs now.  Beacons are no longer a suitable end goal. 


it takes A LOT of real life money to take and hold a beacon. and when plarium puts in events like this where it costs nothing to take a beacon that was bought and paid for it devalues them. 


Imagine buying a house, and once a month, a neighbor could just move his stuff in and claim your house as his.   How much are you going to be willing to spend on a house?
4 груд. 2016, 08:5604.12.16
03.08.14
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djmoody said:



Holding beacons is the end game for virtually all players. You have to work together as a league to have enough defence to achieve it. You have to run your league well to maintain activity, train members and grow troop numbers. It take a huge amount of time and effort. It takes being smart. You also need to maintain diplo with many leagues and have a good intelligence network to keep the wolves from the door. Takes months, if not years to build yourself into a major league.


Just to reinterate. 


and all this can now be undone in a single event. 



4 груд. 2016, 09:4204.12.16
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IronApex Turok said:

welcome back Jumy

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