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Nov 29, 2018, 03:4311/29/18
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New players given overpowered gear

My entire clan is really upset at learning that new players who start accounts now are offered packs that include King of North gear allowing a player to level to 20 for free. One of our players did this exact thing, spending exactly $19.99. It took hundreds of dollars of packs, gold, and boosters to do the exact same thing for those of us that have been playing for months. This violates the terms of service for Google Play, iTunes, and Facebook apps, what does Plarium plan to do about it?


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Dec 1, 2018, 11:4412/01/18
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WDYWTNTF said:


Well the picture was very informative, and then I  read the other posts about deveolpments.

The whole thing is both interesting and telling.

Presumably  if what has been written is true,then they are hoping to get new customers  by giving them a fast start  and hoping they will  then join the herd.


I have to agree with you Eleria but isnt it something we have come to expect.

New update scramble to get it,

New update makes last one obsolete.

New update scramble to get it,

New update makes last one obsolete.

Rinse and repeat

Nice! I think you just detailed the first chapter of the next unofficial beginner's guide, and I've got the disclaimer... 

'Being conditioned by the POC to lower our expectations regarding the game's fairness and functionality doesn't make it okay. "Getting used to it" is just a nice way of saying we're collectively developing Stockholm's syndrome.' 

We can just add that part at the end with tiny print in a mix of a few different languages courtesy of Google since players can't translate text in the game anyway. XD

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Vandari said:

My entire clan is really upset at learning that new players who start accounts now are offered packs that include King of North gear allowing a player to level to 20 for free. One of our players did this exact thing, spending exactly $19.99. It took hundreds of dollars of packs, gold, and boosters to do the exact same thing for those of us that have been playing for months. This violates the terms of service for Google Play, iTunes, and Facebook apps, what does Plarium plan to do about it?


I have never seen that gear can it be only got from gold packs or can you craft it in the forge.
Dec 4, 2018, 03:0412/04/18
Dec 4, 2018, 03:06(edited)
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According to the post and several others,people starting a new account, on some promotional deal, from some source/device, get a fast start from special gear from a special pack that they are offered.

So the answer to your question would seem to be, no  you ,we cant acquire it.


Dec 5, 2018, 06:3712/05/18
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WDYWTNTF said:


According to the post and several others,people starting a new account, on some promotional deal, from some source/device, get a fast start from special gear from a special pack that they are offered.

So the answer to your question would seem to be, no  you ,we cant acquire it.


I have never seen equipment in packs before and the fact that you can't make it in the forge makes it even more unfair, I have just completed my yielding set after killing a hell of a lot of centurions and now I see some new armour with twice the yielding stats and I can't even make it, at least with the kings gear you have to be king of jotunheim to get a piece but the fact that only new player's get offered this new king of the north gear is absurd. 


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I started a new account and got offered this gear, this isn't even the strongest one, there's a piece of gear for each item slot and the next one is double the strength of the last one. it ends up amounting to at least a couple days worth of free speed ups. I only got the first two items and I manged to get my town and all its buildings to level 21 in about half an hour and I only spent something like £12 to get there. 
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Lu Fengxian said:

I started a new account and got offered this gear, this isn't even the strongest one, there's a piece of gear for each item slot and the next one is double the strength of the last one. it ends up amounting to at least a couple days worth of free speed ups. I only got the first two items and I manged to get my town and all its buildings to level 21 in about half an hour and I only spent something like £12 to get there. 
Can you post screenshots of the gear I would be interested to see what it looks like and what the stats are for other things like rss yielding speed etc
Dec 17, 2018, 01:0112/17/18
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Can someone please explain what happens if you purchase (for example) the axe of the North twice? I assume you just get saddled with a duplicate piece of equipment that is entirely useless but then I thought... Can you dismantle it for 10 million gold? (Haha-Optimism) Does it mysteriously turn into one of the other Northern Gear items? Does it instead morph into shaman gear so that you can equip it on either? Does it become a secret Santa gift that you can send to a clan member that doesn't have the benefit of a brand new account?

 All of that is wishful thinking, I know... but if a double is actually useless, why does the game continue to offer it after it's been purchased?

Dec 17, 2018, 01:2712/17/18
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Vandari said:


My entire clan is really upset at learning that new players who start accounts now are offered packs that include King of North gear allowing a player to level to 20 for free. One of our players did this exact thing, spending exactly $19.99. It took hundreds of dollars of packs, gold, and boosters to do the exact same thing for those of us that have been playing for months. This violates the terms of service for Google Play, iTunes, and Facebook apps, what does Plarium plan to do about it?


If it took hundreds of dollars of packs, gold and boosters to go to level 20 then you did something wrong.  I just started an account and in less than 2 weeks can get to level 20 without even buying a pack and I don't even have it in a big clan.  I think people are overdoing it with being upset about these items.  Once you get pretty high up I'm not sure what good they are, I think the "help" would be negligible.


And I don't see how this violates any terms of service ...
Dec 17, 2018, 04:3812/17/18
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When your upgrades takes months and months and even years (yes years even with good bonus equipment) the help is really nothing.


Concerning the resource yield speed ... well that is only for the march your hero is in ... not all your other marches.  And the amount of money you spend for this you could buy gold and then buy clan tasks and then buy centurian gear coffers in the clan store.  Centurian gear doesn't have as much rss yield speed but it does also have capacity bonus.  My hero when it yields rss on tiles I equip with capacity equipment which a number of the items are standard equipment.  I prefer the capacity equipment to yield speed. 

Also once your hero is high enough level you get good yield speed from hero skill points and also from knowledge so the amount of increase you get from equipment is not that much (also you don't get much with your hero when it is such a level if you use those yield boost bonus items ... which I do use them but that is for my troops without the hero).  I could buy this new equipment for my new account but I personally don't find it worth it.  And to get all the items you spend a good amount of money. 

Dec 17, 2018, 07:2612/17/18
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CIM said:


When your upgrades takes months and months and even years (yes years even with good bonus equipment) the help is really nothing.


Concerning the resource yield speed ... well that is only for the march your hero is in ... not all your other marches.  And the amount of money you spend for this you could buy gold and then buy clan tasks and then buy centurian gear coffers in the clan store.  Centurian gear doesn't have as much rss yield speed but it does also have capacity bonus.  My hero when it yields rss on tiles I equip with capacity equipment which a number of the items are standard equipment.  I prefer the capacity equipment to yield speed. 

Also once your hero is high enough level you get good yield speed from hero skill points and also from knowledge so the amount of increase you get from equipment is not that much (also you don't get much with your hero when it is such a level if you use those yield boost bonus items ... which I do use them but that is for my troops without the hero).  I could buy this new equipment for my new account but I personally don't find it worth it.  And to get all the items you spend a good amount of money. 

"... Months and years...really nothing." 

Yeah. You already said that two comments ago, "Once you get pretty high up...the 'help' would be negligible". 

The logic is not lost on me. What did you think I meant by "true enough, it loses its spark when upgrades start taking weeks..."? However, that doesn't make it any less desirable especially given its role as an oversized stepping stool to get to what you call "pretty high up".

 This North equipment isn't an end goal, it's a tool to see you get there. You seem to think because you started a new account and got it into a beneficial clan right away that spoon fed it through it's first 20 levels in two weeks that you now have inside knowledge as to what it's like for truly new players, but you are way off base. I'm not trying to offend you..Perhaps you've been playing too long to remember what it's like to be smaller than everyone around you AND actually care. You're obviously at a comfy level with at least one account and I think it's causing you to discount everyone else's experience but your own... The evidence is in how much you talk about yourself and what things are -going to be like- instead of acknowledging how things ARE for other players.

Here it is again... 

"Once your hero is high enough level..." That's the beginning of a statement destined to suffer a big blind spot where the point is concerned. 

I hate to stoop to using my own account as an example but that seems to be the best way to communicate with you CIM. So here.. I recently created a new account just to see this gear in action. I bought the two cheapest Northgear items, total only $15. In two hours I managed to do what took you two weeks, and then some. I dominated my influence increasing event in the league of recruits 😉 and having reached level 39, was able to Max my resource yielding, building and learning skills. Despite the limited knowledge, this baby account with that gear is already faster than my son's old level 52 on tiles. It would take a month to get the invader knowledge to a properly functional material-hunting state on that level 52, and then I'd still need to purchase hero energy and cross my fingers that the Centurions don't go on hiatus when I'm finally ready for them. But of course...If I don't want to waste a ton of hero energy long term, it would be wise to go for Royal Guardsmen gear first, which means it would take even longer. 

The northern gear made it possible for me to compete in KvK with the little account almost right away, just gathering one tile at a time, with surprising effectiveness for my little army. It was actually fun! A waste of money on an account I'll never use again, but fun nonetheless.  I want that gear for my main account's hero.. she actually deserves it. 😉 Just saying, you really shouldn't knock it to you try it. If you could get it for your big account just to test for a day, I doubt you'd be disappointed.

One last note concerning Centurion's junk. When it comes to yielding resources, the rate you gain event points is equal to the speed you gather at. It doesn't matter if it took you a 5k troop or a 50k troop to carry a million, just how quickly they can get it off the tile. Capacity might matter if you're concerned about tile hitting and want to keep your troops low, but it doesn't make one difference when trying to get points. High capacity is useful against towns, but Centurion's gear isn't. Compared to the efficiency of the new gear, it really is outmatched, especially considering the low cost, instant satisfaction of the new gear.  

I only had 2 pieces. The other pieces add an additional 3 or 4 DAYS to the instant speed ups and a formidable boost to resource yielding. Also, one lowers the cost of training tier 1s by 10.5% and another speeds up training by 10%. Sweet right?

Before you answer, please understand that it's not just about the stats, it's also about how easy it is to get. Crazy easy! It wouldn't be right to introduce a feature that actually affects gameplay like this does and not make it available to everyone. 

-That's why I'm keeping faith that everyone has been getting upset over nothing, and North Gear will actually show up in holiday deals or as an event reward or something. ;)


 
Dec 17, 2018, 11:1812/17/18
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ELERIA, I'm not going to put in quotes your whole post ...


Yes I said at first "Once you get pretty high up I'm not sure what good they are, I think the "help" would be negligible." And then you replied " true enough, it loses its spark when upgrades start taking weeks instead of days or hours."  THEN I wrote "When your upgrades takes months and months and even years (yes years even with good bonus equipment) the help is really nothing." ... So I was conveying that eventually upgrades don't take "weeks instead of days or hours" as you wrote but take "months and months and even years" ... so I was making the point that eventually things don't take "weeks instead of days or hours" but take truly outrageous amount of times to finish ...

At the price they are offering it I am not interested in buying it ... I think there are more beneficial things to buy with ones money for the game.  And you say you doubt I would be disappointed if I could get it for my own "big account" ... but I wouldn't even want it for that account.  Like I said I prefer capacity equipment because most the time one is farming when enemy is around ... also when you have a lot of marches which one would have on their "big account" your other marches actually bring in much more than your hero march ... if I got it for free I'm not sure I would even use it ... again I would rather use capacity equipment.

And the clan my new account was in was not a clan that reached very high checkpoints ... so was not such a beneficial clan ... and I bring in new players into our clan often ... and I work with them ... so I am not totally oblivious to what it is like to be a new player.  I personally don't and won't recommend new players buy this equipment at the cost it is now because I think there are better things to buy with their money for the game.

And I do realize that the rate you can gather determines how much you can gather during a specific amount of time ... that being said it is only one of your marches that can benefit from the equipment ... so overall it is not going to greatly effect how much you gather when you have a lot of marches out.


Don't get me wrong ... I have no problem with them offering it to everyone ... but ... I don't find it to be something I even want or something that is very beneficial.

And I worked hard not to reply to you in the same snarky way you responded to me ... since I noticed that I am not alone in receiving your snarky replies I didn't take it personal.



Dec 17, 2018, 11:5912/17/18
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CIM said:



Don't get me wrong ... I have no problem with them offering it to everyone ... but ... I don't find it to be something I even want or something that is very beneficial.

And I worked hard not to reply to you in the same snarky way you responded to me ... since I noticed that I am not alone in receiving your snarky replies I didn't take it personal.



I apologise if I came across as "snarky". I was going for informative, and it seemed relevant to point out that your comments are more self-serving than helpful for our gaming public. In fact, your latest declaration that this equipment wouldn't suit you because you prefer "capacity equipment" calls into question whether your negation of everyone's opinions about the actual topic of this thread has any relevance at all. 

It's not your favorite? That's cool. No one's making you use it. You're too big and badass to benefit? Congrats. Most people aren't there yet and would benefit greatly from this equipment. 

This thread was created, according to the bottom line, to figure out whether or not players will have equal access to the shiny new toys. The "anger" you have perceived is about the unjust condition of ownership of the gear, needing a new account, it is not jealousy or merely exasperation as you implied with your comment about the building shamans. It's not at all the same thing. Those shamans were made available to everyone. As of yet, the North Gear is not. People can't even be jealous or angry yet because Plarium hasn't confirmed or denied any plans to present this equipment to the masses. That said, the last thing this topic needs in place of some attention and  a direct answer, is the patronization of someone whose vast indifference to the topic is rivaled only by the ego that flaunts it. 


I hope that makes sense. I've never been very good at apologies. 😬

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LOL ... I guess people here will determine who has more of "the ego and flaunts it" ... and whose "comments are more self-serving than helpful for our gaming public" ...


I am not indifferent to what is being said here ... I think I have made my position clear ... in the scheme of things concerning the game ... I don't find this equipment is very beneficial and I don't recommend even beginners to buy it at the price it costs ... that is the point I am making ... and it is relevant to the thread.

Dec 17, 2018, 16:0212/17/18
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wat the fcuk this will stop players playing this game if we are took for mugs you = plarium need to sort this now many have spent 10 to 20 times the amount these spend to get to the same level 


look at your records for money spent by players and give them something back you thieves


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I have finally found the stats for the north gear and they all give you 21% rss yielding speed up apart from the amulet of the north which has no rss yielding increase at all so if I do ever get offered this gear in a gold pack I will still have use for my two centurion's Rings.
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Seems the forum is messing up again and not showing latest post(s) in the summary ...


LAIRD BRINNI - you can also do an experiment ... holding the amount you are farming consistent ... so with hero once without your equipment and once with it and you will see even though your equipment adds up to 55% yield speed bonus ... you are not yielding the same amount of resources (same level and type) 55% faster ... not even close to 55% faster ... maybe around 10% give or take a few percentages ...


And that extra 33% you get from the new equipment that cost 85 euros/dollars for new people going to give you about 4 to 5 percent more yield speed for your march that has your hero ... I think there is better things in game to spend 85 euros/dollars on ... yea I know you are pounds so ... however much pounds that is ...

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Just simplifying this ... seems there is some confusion by some (cough, cough) on how reduction of time goes for resource yielding with skills, knowledge and equipment ... which also applies to reduction of time for learn and building upgrades ...


There is a good article that addresses this on web ... it addresses learn and build but it also applies to resource yielding bonus for skills, knowledge and equipment ... the link doesn't work ... but if you do a google search on what I quoted you will get to the page ...

"To give you a rough idea without the math, use the figures below:-


    100% boost = Reduces time in half.

    200% boost = Reduces time to one third.

    300% boost = Reduces time to one quarter."


Dec 18, 2018, 15:4312/18/18
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Those resource yielding boosts that you can activate that help all your marches ... they are going to not help your hero much because your hero already has about 250% bonus just from skills and  knowledge that are some of the first things you would (should) do in game ... they work mostly on your troops that don't have the hero ... because those troops have at least 200% less bonus than your hero (from hero skills).
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I hope all the above information makes sense ... since all along I have been trying to be helpful for our gaming public ... and that said the last thing this topic needs is misinformation (cough, cough) ...


I figure plarium isn't going to be so benefited by the information I have put out on this equipment ... that being said ... since I have only posted factual information I don't think they are going to have a real problem with me putting such information forward.  Might would be good for them to offer it for such prices to everyone ... so people that just have to have it waste their money ... (This equipment is most beneficial to those who first start ... even though I don't even recommend it for them ... better things in game to spend the money on I think).
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