theres no point having higher tier troops unless you have the knowledge to back them up in my opinion,

theres also no point in buying gold packs with troops in them as they are usually T6 and a waste of money unless you have T6 knowledge, buy boosts, hero energy and resources unless your in a good clan that will help with resources, also  packs containing prophet and extra builder are great but usually are in the higher priced packs.

when you first start just stick with T1 work on your knowledge before you start making higher T level troops.

it also depends what direction you want to go in the game if you just want to farm for a while until you build up your city then go for T1 siege as their capacity is better than other T1 troops, as you grow in knowledge train higher level troops, tier 1-V troops knowledge is good to have also training knowledge to cut the cost of making troops,

also if you later decide to become a fighter just choose a couple of different types of troops to make, you wont use all the troop types later in the game, i would guess that  around 90% of players who attack use either meele or siege or a combination of the two, you also wont use all the tiers when you attack you need to do it quickly so selecting loads of different types of troops you just wont have time to do, if you intend to stay shielded i really wouldnt bother too much with tier 2 or  tier 3  use T1 while you study knowledge and get up to T4, a good tip is try to make at least 1 million T1 if you intend to fight later they are cheap to make and disposable because of this, never use gold to resurrect T1 troops its a waste of gold, use your gold for shields,

ps remember influence is important and influence created from high troop numbers can be taken off you if you are hit, knowledge influence on the other hand can't be taken off you,

my tips would be

Join a good clan that will help you grow their helps can greatly reduce the time it takes to do upgrades,

grow slowly work on good knowledge,

dont buy troops its a waste of money

and most of all have fun enjoy the game thats the most important thing

AndyH

I expected higher tier troops to have more than twice the offense/defense capabilities because they cost twice in food for keeping them alive.

If you just start the game, you must train a lot of t1 units for farm. Then you must open t4-t5 units as fast as you can for war.
Simple tactic

Thanks for the detailed advice, much appreciated

andyhudson1965 said:

... one other thing when you have high numbers of troops you wont worry about food because your food will be permanently in the red...

around 30 mil troop in town and they eat nothing... VIP + hero tree + scroll allow you to go over the 100% reduction food use...

anesfan said:

andyhudson1965 said:

... one other thing when you have high numbers of troops you wont worry about food because your food will be permanently in the red...

around 30 mil troop in town and they eat nothing... VIP + hero tree + scroll allow you to go over the 100% reduction food use...

wish that starvation give a attack buffers... hungry troop are more angry :p

That's really interesting, would you elaborate on that for a newbie that knows nothing about "hero tree" and "scroll"?

There are many ways you can play this game, there's the efficient way and the exciting way, you have to pick which suits you best.

When you first start you are often in the dark as the best way to proceed, especially if you are restricted by lack of resources  and certain aspects of the game where it forces to follow certain paths, in order to progress.

Its very common for people who are advanced in the game to make suggestions to  beginners,having forgotten what limitations novices face.

Tip, look at every page that opens on your game to see what is there, and try to work out what it does. Ask Questions.

There are  two main trees to look at, and at first you will not be able to do much with them.

The first tree is the Hero tree, which has two parts to it .by increasing your Hero's  influence you are awarded points which you can distribute according to your needs.

The second tree is the knowledge tree, found in the oracle, the purple crystal building. this has many more branches than it once had, and again there are several options as to which  route you follow.

Should you still be playing long enough to get that far, a third tree, the Shaman tree, similar to the Hero tree,  will open  up to you once you reach Palace 12 , by then you should be familiar enough with the game to know what to do.

Not sure on this , but scroll  might refer to an item that is needed  when you are in a clan  that has a Stronghold, .you need scrolls to build it and for other processes  afterwards.

skinner said:

anesfan said:

around 30 mil troop in town and they eat nothing... VIP + hero tree + scroll allow you to go over the 100% reduction food use...

That's really interesting, would you elaborate on that for a newbie that knows nothing about "hero tree" and "scroll"?

Its very common for people who are advanced in the game to make suggestions to  beginners,having forgotten what limitations novices face.

I will try to explain it from a beginner point of view...

First, you must be in a clan and participate at least for 1 points in all clan event and global event ( cvc-kvk-kvkr )... by example, if there is a clan troop training event, you must at least train 1 t1...

As beginner, you don't do a lot of point... you duty is to grown as fast as possible... the big one from the clan do the big amount of point and you collect the reward in the form of gold and time nooster, along with some other goodies...

At the begin gold will be used for buy shield and VIP point... you need to reach VIP 8 as fast as possible because it give you autocompletion for personal and clan task... task give experience for shaman/hero, resource, gems, etc... autocompletion allow you to do a task in 2 click without waiting... they refresh every 6 hours...

If you are short on ressource, ask help to clansmate... the few million that you need are nothing for the big one of the clan...

Try to grow your hero lvl with task at first... best is to use clan task refresher... each legendary clan task give you 10000 clan pts, a epic 5000, etc... you can use these point in the clan store for buy again clan task refresher at 10000... with 50 clan task refresher for start, if you are lucky, you can end up with enough point for buy in the clan store 30 new one...

Once you hero have reach some level, you begin work on your hero invader skill... 10 pts top, 10 pts left second row, 10 pts right second row, 15 pts left third row, 15 pts right third row... once you reach lvl 60, 15 pts left second row, 15 pts right second row...

once you have some pts in the hero invader tree, you can begin kill invader... if possible, buy the hyperpack energy for hero... need to wait 8 week between purchase but you have plenty of energy and gold for only 4.99...

Without a lot of expensive research, you will not be able to hit high level of invader... but uber can always be hit... uber are strong and not easy to kill but they give you high quality material along with special gem as aquamarine ( research ) for example who cannot be obtain from normal invader...

By attacking uber, you increase your hero experience and lvl... and begin to collect vip pts from time to time... material collected will be used for build armor... at later stage, when you have plenty of material, you will be able to craft armor for various speciality...

With time, your vip lvl will increase... mine is lvl 18 now... as you can see below, with vip lvl 18, you have food consomption -26%

As for the hero, the left side is for combat... forget about it for the time being... work on the right side who is more the economical side...

Lot of people fill the tree from up to down... it is a mistake... every few level, reset your tree and fill from bottom to top... reason is simple... by example, a silver II give more % by pts that a silver I...

it will come a time when you have enough pts for assign to food consumption... at max, it is 20% reduction

much later, when you will begin to fight, you will use the hero set system... a set for left side of tree with combat armor, a set for right of tree for yielding, rss production, construction, research... in combat mode, if you have plenty of troop, you will probably be in red for food but once you go back to the set with the right side, troop will be eating less...

Same a big player with plenty of troop don't stay 24 on 24 in combat mode... so time that you are in red for food  is minimal...

When i was speaking of scroll, i mean the thing that you can see in the screenshot below...

If your clan is good in clan and global event ( 6 lvl ), you will have plenty of gold and you can buy shield and the 7day 75% great economy... if the clan is less good, and do usualy 3 lvl in event, limit yourself at the 50% ... don't use all your gold for great economy... you need it for shield, for maybe time booster and other goodies...

being the biggest in my clan, i do plenty of pts in event and gold is not a issue... so, i have vip -26%, hero -20% and scroll -75%... total -121% when in rest mode and -101% in combat mode... mean that troop eat nothing...

you can see how much troop in have in town in the screenshot below

and in the next one, see how much is all the troop upkeep

I play now for 1 year... so, time is needed to reach the level that i have now... have can be more fast but it will have burn my credit card...

And i will not have reach this level without my other cities... i have 5 cities... the account from the screenshot is the combat account and hyperfarm food... 3 other account hyperfarm wood/stone/iron... last account is my bank, really needed because of the high resource production who reach capacity every hours... need to empty the hyperfarm regulary in the bank...

These post was about how to reach a point where your troop eat no food at all but i have skip plenty of tip else the post will have be too much long... by example, it is important for your city to reach lvl 21 as fast as possible for the rss production... lvl 21 is the only lvl who double the production of each farm...

I read that one can have more than one city but I've seen no mention of the possibility of conquering one.

Am I missing something or one can have more than one account?

Dear, Jarls! The creation of several game accounts is not forbidden, but their usage must not involve acquiring any game advantages in an unfair way. Otherwise, such actions will be prevented by appropriate measures. Please visit our website to read our Terms of Use: https://plarium.com/en/terms-of-use/

Thanks Erna,

I'm not sure of the exact meaning of acquiring game advantages in an unfair way, creating a second account is always targeted at acquiring game advantages... when is fair and when not?

Is creating resources only (to be used by the main city) unfair?

I understand on the other hand that inhibiting the creation of additional accounts is near to impossible.

Anyhow there might be a bug, I've created (with a second account) a city that I've then relocated aside my first one.

Weird but they don't appear one aside the other even if coordinates are right, here their locations:

What's wrong here?

Thanks!!

skinner said:

Thanks to all you advanced players who have given such valuable insights into the mechanics of higher tiers.

Quite personally I don't like the idea of having to manage something like five accounts for being successful so I'll drop the game,

I'm grateful to you for having disclosed the evolution of this game before I spent too much time with it.

Wish you all the best

I

Though you may have just made a very wise decision. 

Sorry we scarred you off. 

At its heart its a decent enough game. 

Thanks for the insight.

However,its not like I needed another excuse to join the other guy in deciding to quit playing. Have quite a lot of disillusionment already.

I recently started paying more attention to the Knowledge trees and for example, how problematic it is to get anywhere near getting the Shamans improved,both in terms of resources, and the times taken for the completion.

I guess that's why they don't post how much something costs, or how much time to complete it,till you can actually build, or research it.

Probably also explains  why advanced players of longstanding, with high palace levels, are quitting in big numbers. 

WDYWTNTF said:

Probably also explains  why advanced players of longstanding, with high palace levels, are quitting in big numbers. 

with lvl 27, i am not yet a "high" level... sure, it is already expensive at my lvl but i am growing slowly...

In my kingdom, most of the big player quitting the game are these who have use their credit card in a intensive way and have done almost everything... they become bored...

The other one, they treasure their city where they have put a lot of work in it and will rarely give up...

I am not in the hurry to reach the finish line because i fear that boredom will then hit me too... for reach the top of the actual game, i will need at least 1 year or more of playing... then, i am sure that plarium will have make some new update for keep the game interesting and alive...

skinner said:

Well, I read that you have more than 30 millions troops, as I said that's intimidating and I strongly doubt that you would easily loose one of your cities :)

30 mil is old news, now it is around 40 mil... plenty of new t6 archer since i have unlock the research for it... and never say never... in 1 year, i have be zeroed 3 time... there is always one stronger or smartest around... or both...

but at least you should split them among those cities so that more cities will help but will also dilute the troops for protecting them.

do it from time to time, i use my other cities as unshielded trap... but if i concentrate troop mainly in one city, it is because of the saturation level in combat... i must be strong enough for resist a onslaught from several big lvl 30 together... last time it have happen, i have barely resist it but i have kill 3.5 mil t5 from the ennemy onslaught...

In a few words more strategy, more fun and hopefully no necessity of multiple accounts, one will manage them all.

i do play in a strategic way... i am not strong enough for brute force... and have plenty of fun... the multiple account are only for rss purpose... you will see when you grow up... everything begin to cost a lot and you will hate the thing called "capacity"... you will produce 20 mil by hour from a type of rss but will reach capacity in 1 hour and production will stop... but you need 100 mil for the next upgrade... so you need send regulary rss elsewhere and stock pile until you have enough for your next research/building...

most clan have player who are bank but i don't trust them anymore... my first clan was with 2 player who act as bank... they have quit the game without warming... result was 2 bank with billion of rss but with shield for at least 6 month... we have wait 1/2 year for have our rss back

Anyway, play 1 year or so... grow strong and we will speak again about the usefulness from secondary account

Laird Brinni said:

Very useful info I currently use my main account to hyper farm food and my other account for stone, I am only lv24 331m inf with an army size of only 1.2m so I guess I will have to start hyper farming iron and wood too for the monster upgrades. At the moment I have billions of all rss in stocks that I got with gold packs but they won't last for ever unless I get a lot of mega packs with rss in them.

You don't need to hyperfarm everything... i have do it because for a time, i was my own clan with only my 5 cities...

But if you are in a clan with plenty of cities, 2 account is more that enough.... you can transfert what one produce to the other... and exchange surplus with other people who hyperfarm in your clan when needed...

what is important at clan level is to have a balance with the type of hyperfarm... don't need everybody to hyperfarm iron...

second, you need to know what troop speciality you want to do now or later... for training, melee need a lot of food, horse need more stone, archer need more wood, killer need more iron, balista are balanced... these high lvl troop training can eat a lot of rss... maybe you are already a good fighter but soon of later, you always meet a more smart or a more stronger, and you will loose plenty of troop in a battle... retraining a lot of new troop cost huge amount of rss...

As your lvl, inf, and amount of troop, it is not bad... and having reserve is a smart move... don't hurry to grown up, choose the right moment... do something when it count at least in 2 event so you have a max return in gold and goodies for your investment... by example, if you have a kvkr, along with a clan lust for power event and a personal training event, it is the perfect time to train troop because you do point in 3 events...

One important thing, forget about influence... you only need a good balanced city... amount of troop, research and building need to grown together... lvl 31 city with a lot of troop and billion influence but without research backing it is stupid... a lvl 24 as you being smart can beat the crap of cities like me... in fact, the 3-4 time that i was zeroed was with smaller cities that me... if you want to fight, do team with some other from your clan for onslaught...

A important thing too is testing various combat configuration... i usually do it when there is no cvc/kvk/kvkr with a friend from a other clan... he put 100 t1 on a tile and i attack with 100 t1... fine tuning the hero tree, shaman, gear, seeing where i am bad and doing what is needed for become better... 

before doing massive training later, don't forget about Inga the wise... she is very important to reduce cost in rss and reduce use of time booster for training...

If you do killer, it will be hell for unlock the t6... first are the melee, then archer, then horse, and then killer... will need to unlock the 3 other first...

But there is not hurry since there is not yet a shaman for killer too... hope plarium release the killer shaman before you begin you high level specialisation...

Laird Brinni said:

Yes I knew about the unlock for t6 killer but I don't mind as I will be using all troop types for troop traps with lynx amour to cover the 25%/50% weakness of troop types against attacker's troops

 lynx and all type of troop is a usual advice for trap in a lot of tutorial but it have not work well in the past for me...

Since the begin of these year, i have specialise archer with sh archer gear, generic defense/health/attack gems... use wendla as my combat shaman...

at good lvl, these 25%/50% are not as effective as some think... if all your defense/attack/health stat are around a total of 500, it have little inluence on the result...

When speak about trap, lot of people think only defense and health... these are important because it determine how much troop you lost... but attack determine if you win or loose the battle... so, in my opinion, specialize in 1 type of troop with gear/shaman/hero for this type of troop... train enough of them for reach the saturation lvl in battle

A old screenshot where a big siege attack my archer... 25% advantage for him but my loss is minimum... my amount of troop at the time was enough for stop a massive attack but not a onslaught... now, i have 4 time more troop...

I only have inga at stage 3 but will be getting a mega pack soon with 500 charms for 4 of the shamans which includes inga of course.

have inga at 3 too, mainly from the easter bunny... have wendla at 4 due to the special event last month who have give plenty of charm for her...

sure that plarium will again make something like the easter bunny or the snow viking... will need to be fast to capture them... and sure that it will be some event for the other shaman too, make a good score and collect plenty of charm... i know, i am greedy... use my superpack for hero energy because these shaman need plenty of material from invader for create their armor...