MARTORU, please check the poll on the modified Positions mechanics here. Majority of players voted for removing the 30% Position retreat feature from the game, and it was removed.

thx for you`re answer

but that is a another hoax.

problem is not that 30% units that came back, that can be easy ignored.

each position payment and reciving way too much rss instead of troups... THAT IS REAL PROBLEM

but i apriciate effort to trick us again and to move the light spot in an non important place...

now if you kind please explain what means THE BATTLE HAS BECOME MORE DANGEROUS!

was not same before or you modifi again formula and hide this under that anouncement???

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM ON POSTIONS WAS NOT 30% BUT PAYOUT, I YOU CKECK THAT POLL YOU WILL SE THAT PLAYERS COMPLAINED MORE ON PAYOUT

I AM STILL IN BOYKOT ON POSITIONS

Actually, it didn't become more dangerous.

From what could be seen from Persian survivors, the 30% that were returned in case you didn't win just weren't used to fight at all, so it was at least necessary to remove this. Now you do lose all you send (at least as much as Persians losses, as usual), but at least they are all fighting and participating to weakening positions.

Thanks to Plarium to have taken the poll result in account.

Now I agree the full new system is problematic, but from what's been noted below, you can still use the old system as long as you don't finish positions, and if you do, just substract the partial payouts from your investment to know where you are.

At least, give it a try first. :)

http://forum.plarium.com/en/sparta-war-of-empires/news-and-announcements/topics/get-guaranteed-rewards-at-persian-positions-/6/

this "new" system is terrible. i have in "bank" about 150 mln resources and when i hit 91 position i got units worth 4 mln resources :/ it's a joke. and of course i dont have enough units to hit high position like 125 lvl unless i revive units using drachma (read spend cash).

its time to stop playing this game or you will revive all old persian system

trank you, BASILEUS LEONIDAS for this update 

This is an step forward, but the real problema still remains. One has to invest lots of troops to get small rewards mostly of the same kinf of troops that he already can build (and probably sent to the battle),

Most players played persian position to get cavs and promachos, that can't be built by oneself until you reach extremely high levels. PP was the only way to get a decent army under level 70. What is now the point to attack positions only to lose troops in the promise of a final reward that will arrive so late that you'll probably have lost al your army in the  way?

please listen to people 

you started a poll asking did we want 30% removed

pointless poll

people just want the old persian position system reinstated

martoru said:

thx for you`re answer

 

but that is a another hoax.

problem is not that 30% units that came back, that can be easy ignored.

each position payment and reciving way too much rss instead of troups... THAT IS REAL PROBLEM

 

but i apriciate effort to trick us again and to move the light spot in an non important place...

now if you kind please explain what means THE BATTLE HAS BECOME MORE DANGEROUS!

was not same before or you modifi again formula and hide this under that anouncement???

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STILL WAIT AN ANSWER FROM ADMIN...

p.s. one more question if you care so much about new players in game WHY YOU REMOVE GPS FROM PERSIANS MISSION???

how they will have even chances with veterans players???

those was something standard for all players...

NOW IF YOU KIND PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT MEANS THE BATTLE HAS BECOME MORE DANGEROUS!

MARTORU, hitting positions has been always dangerous, hasn't it?

I would like to assure you that there were no changes in Positions mechanics except for payout distribution.

MARCOS and MARTORU, you can earn GPs in PvP Warfare and Pantheon Takeover Tournaments.

This was made mostly to balance GPs obtainment. 

Basileus Leonidas said:

MARCOS and MARTORU, you can earn GPs in PvP Warfare and Pantheon Takeover Tournaments.

This was made mostly to balance GPs obtainment. 

GPS: i already explain that is not equal chances for all players. as long as some took them from there all shoud have that chance

not everyone want ot fight in PVP.. some may be are just NPC lovers (a lot in every game)

persians: was dangerous but you said "MORE DANGEROUS" that i was asking

There no GP earn during persian event.

GP only appear during Pvp warfare, and it gonna be challenging for those who didnt have GP to max out the GP article...good luck on the miserable side, The force is dying

"Every Persian Position will now give a payout. Positions that did not yield payouts previously will now provide payouts in small portions. Your “big Reward” has not been removed; it is simply distributed differently among all Positions you engage.

Your Total Reward has remained the same.

In the old system, if you successfully completed five Positions, the first four would yield zero payouts, and the final fifth Position would give a Reward. Now, you are guaranteed to receive a payout at each Position. In total, you will win the same amount (value) of troops now, as before the change.

The Positions “Bank” has not been reset, as some had thought. I would like to dispel this myth.

1-minute travel time to Persian Positions. Unfortunately, Unit travel time sometimes stretched for longer than desirable. As a result, we have now implemented 1-minute travel time. This way, players can now send Units to Positions more often than was previously possible.

30% of your army automatically retreats if the Position you are fighting over appears to be lost. This saves them and deposits them back at your Castle. The main reason for this feature was our desire to save new players the agony of losing all their Units at the beginning of the game. Nevertheless, some players have complained that this feature prevents them from contributing their desired amount of Units to a Position."

Above is a quote from BASILEUS LEONIDAS.

My question is this:  What did you do with payouts from persion positions? how long should it take for this "big" payout?

I only played 9 days, but the first few days I would get horses and other good troops, this was a great help to me so early in the game, since I cannot build any of the higher lvl troops yet. After the change (about 5 days ago) I only get crap back and after hiiting all, I actually loose more troops then i gained. Even if i send troops that i am not able to build i loose some of them and almost never get any in return.

You know how long of a build time the new players have on troops, also that we can not keep so many alive due to grain consumption/production.

Do you think this is fear? I also see the bigger players are effected by this as well.

Could we have the old payout system back?

Or are i doing something wrong when attacking persion positions?