bdragon11140 said:

Funny side of this game.

1. High price unit always first die and die most amount.

2. Champion unit is die first.

If I have 10000 cavs and 1000 cataphract then cataphract will be die first always.

If I have 10000 cavs and 500 cataphract, few catapheact will die when light battle, many(almost) cataphract will die when severe battle.

If I have 10000 cavs and 100 cataphract, no cataphract will die when light battle, some cataphract will die when severe battle.

Champion unit is just cash cow for game company.

The battles work on a %...so lets say for sake of argument and I'm too lazy to work it out perfectly that 10k Cav is 25mill + 1k Cats which wouldn't be maxed out because they'd need 20k Cav all together was 40mill(not correct but irrelevant)so you have a 40mill attack force v a 10mill def force...so a total of 50mill(forget CDB,Dom % and Elix's)

You having 80% of the total battle would lose 20% of your troops and the defender 80%,so that would be 200 cats 2k Cav...Champs don't die at a higher rate/percentage than other troops 

BONGYKONG// It's not true.

If i send 100cats, 2000agema, 100scorpio, 2000evocatus, 200 locha, 4000spartan hops, 100sminias, 10000hops and enemy is many of heavy and light infantry.

Then casualty will be like this, 20 cats, 100 agma, 15scorpio, 80 evocatus, 3 locha, 20 spartan hops, 1 sminias, 5 hops.

After the combat issue is resolved, a percentage of losses for each player, is calculated and applied evenly to ALL troops.

So if you have 1000 of a kind and 100 of another kind, and your losses ratio is 20%, then you'll lose 200 of the first kind and 20 of the other kind.

Then numbers are rounded to the closest unit.

If you want to minimize your losses, you have to overwhelm the opponent, so your losses ratio is small, and you have to send fewer quantities of the units you want to lose the less (with roundings, quantities can be rounded down to 0 for some of them), and more of the ones you don't care.

bdragon ALT1 or bdragon ALT2

Yes, the percentage is fixed for all troops.

And yes, nicely spotted... ^^ Looks like we've got quite some forbdden alt accounts here... :p

Well first you shouldn't have 1000 cataphracts :p

But I guess it might be possible to lose more champions in case they are not supported by special units, like in the examples you first told, dragons man : 1 000 cataphracts with 10 000 cav is far less powerful than with 20 000 cac. In this case, the champions are more vulnerable, aren't they ? Or is it just their hitting strength which is reduced ?

Not really.

It's only a question of offense to defense ratio.

The losses percentage applied to the defenders is offense / (offense + defense). Thus the percentage of losses applied to the offenders is the complementary to 100%.

If the attacker would be able to overwhelm the defender with only champions, he would lose none.

The only problem is to actually achieve lots of offense points with only champions... You would need quite lots of them. :p

ThatBloke said:

Not really.

It's only a question of offense to defense ratio.

The losses percentage applied to the defenders is offense / (offense + defense). Thus the percentage of losses applied to the offenders is the complementary to 100%.

If the attacker would be able to overwhelm the defender with only champions, he would lose none.

The only problem is to actually achieve lots of offense points with only champions... You would need quite lots of them. :p

So lets say I attack with 100million offense. The defender has 2million defense. 

Defender loses = 100/102 = 98% (about 2 million)

Attacker loses = 100% - 98% = 2% (about 2 million)

How do we ever overwhelm the enemy? LOL Maybe Plarium needs to revisit battle mechanics if I understand this correctly. Actually, the defender recovers 30% for free which makes this even more nonsensical 

Yes, you can even consider if the defender is a coiner, he can recover 100% by buying the remaining 70% for half their price...

So you can't really "beat" a coiner. Or only for achivements, or for tournament points...

And yes, your calculation is exact.

The attacker loses less in proportion, but he loses as much as the defender in absolute quantities. And the defender has the 30% free revival bonus.

Even worse : with strong fortifications, let's say he managed to get 10,000 fortifications points, his 2 millions of defense can be achieved with only 1 million actual defense, meaning with 98% of losses, he actually loses only 1 million !

Yes, you can even consider if the defender is a coiner, he can recover 100% by buying the remaining 70% for half their price...

So you can't really "beat" a coiner. Or only for achivements, or for tournament points...

And yes, your calculation is exact.

The attacker loses less in proportion, but he loses as much as the defender in absolute quantities. And the defender has the 30% free revival bonus.

Even worse : with strong fortifications, let's say he managed to get 10,000 fortifications points, his 2 millions of defense can be achieved with only 1 million actual defense, meaning with 98% of losses, he actually loses only 1 million !

The problem with defense is you need about 3 times as many troops to gather the same number of defense points than their offense equivalent.

This means when killing 1 million of defense units, you actually kill 3 times as many as the number of units the attacker loses.

Though defense units are cheaper and take less time to train, It can have quite demoralizing effects on the defender already, especially if he's not a coiner and has to rebuild / earn them from Persians from the start.

So allowing for even more damage would probably despair them for good... :p

Maybe the problem is there actually : coiners don't care, non coiners can get desperate... And the balance is hard to find.

Also, the fortifications bonus has to be useful to justify the efforts and drachmas spent there.

Actually, a full coaliton defense garrisonned in a well fortified city is a powerful defense weapon. In this case, the attacker can get fully wiped out with minor losses on the defender side (or actually scattered among multiple defenders).

However, don't forget the attacker is the offender, and as such, is fully responsible for his troops doom...

The problem with defense is you need about 3 times as many troops to gather the same number of defense points than their offense equivalent.

This means when killing 1 million of defense units, you actually kill 3 times as many as the number of units the attacker loses.

Though defense units are cheaper and take less time to train, It can have quite demoralizing effects on the defender already, especially if he's not a coiner and has to rebuild / earn them from Persians from the start.

So allowing for even more damage would probably despair them for good... :p

Maybe the problem is there actually : coiners don't care, non coiners can get desperate... And the balance is hard to find.

Also, the fortifications bonus has to be useful to justify the efforts and drachmas spent there.

Actually, a full coaliton defense garrisonned in a well fortified city is a powerful defense weapon. In this case, the attacker can get fully wiped out with minor losses on the defender side (or actually scattered among multiple defenders).

However, don't forget the attacker is the offender, and as such, is fully responsible for his troops doom...

Both sides will probably feel the same... ^^

LOL

Both sides will probably feel the same... ^^

LOL

Defense V Attack

Two battles,one without CDB one with! either way the defender gets all the bonus

Defender 50mill v Attacker 100mill

bing bang bosh,battle has finished they both lose 33.3mill,the defender gets back 10mill from Infirm,so the defender with half the army loses 10 mill less than the attacker!

Ok,now the defender has CDB of 96%(use 100% for ease) now the defender has 100mill v the attackers 100mill.

battle finishes and they've both lost 50mill,now the CDB rectifies the defender's losses to 25mill,now take the 7.5 mill from infirm and the defender's losses are now at 17.5 mill.. 

As I have said since the the game admin told all about the CDB,this game is about DEFENDING,only an absolute MUG would attack...the addition of 50% enhancers etc only makes it worse for the attackers...the game needs to balance the losses with the infirmary or an additional building training off site medics so attackers get the same infirmary either at home or away from their city.

Defense V Attack

Two battles,one without CDB one with! either way the defender gets all the bonus

Defender 50mill v Attacker 100mill

bing bang bosh,battle has finished they both lose 33.3mill,the defender gets back 10mill from Infirm,so the defender with half the army loses 10 mill less than the attacker!

Ok,now the defender has CDB of 96%(use 100% for ease) now the defender has 100mill v the attackers 100mill.

battle finishes and they've both lost 50mill,now the CDB rectifies the defender's losses to 25mill,now take the 7.5 mill from infirm and the defender's losses are now at 17.5 mill.. 

As I have said since the the game admin told all about the CDB,this game is about DEFENDING,only an absolute MUG would attack...the addition of 50% enhancers etc only makes it worse for the attackers...the game needs to balance the losses with the infirmary or an additional building training off site medics so attackers get the same infirmary either at home or away from their city.

ThatBloke said:

Yes, you can even consider if the defender is a coiner, he can recover 100% by buying the remaining 70% for half their price...

So you can't really "beat" a coiner. Or only for achivements, or for tournament points...

And yes, your calculation is exact.

The attacker loses less in proportion, but he loses as much as the defender in absolute quantities. And the defender has the 30% free revival bonus.

Even worse : with strong fortifications, let's say he managed to get 10,000 fortifications points, his 2 millions of defense can be achieved with only 1 million actual defense, meaning with 98% of losses, he actually loses only 1 million !

That doesn't make sense...

AlexandeIIIMKD said:

its true, only cash, i lose a lot champs, one bast.... send me 30 political and kill 41 champs, and army a little, so first die champs, i have this case , that happen to me, he die like juv, and cost 2 pvp playing 1 cataract, 

well seeming as only 10 political attacks can be sent a day you must have left your defence out for 3 days without pulling it back? Why would you do that when someone is raining 10 PA's a day on you? Surely at the worst you would hide your units after the SECOND day? 

mortee u dont know your rulless

he send 8 time every time , 1 sending 4 assasins, and last 8 time 2 assains,