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Dec 8, 2020, 22:5912/08/20
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Need help, please.

I need help. I've been praying I get Apoth because my best champions, or so I believe at the moment and run is Juliana, Romero (because of Juliana), Warpriest, and Mother Superior on campaign. I substitute Elhain or Athel off and on because they feel week to me. All level 50. I've just recently gotten and am leveling Skytouched Shaman, Hope, and Diabolist. My account is level 39, and have completed Easy/Hard with two champions, and completed Brutal with a full group but can't get past the first castle on nightmare or past level 9 in dungeons. I had Warmaiden in there for a time and she kept melting no matter what I did, so I removed her and added Mother Superior and was able to complete Brutal that way. Now I'm stuck again, with new champions and not sure if the time leveling and trying to gear them will matter. Your thoughts? 

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Dec 8, 2020, 23:0212/08/20
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I now also have Gnarlhorn.

Dec 8, 2020, 23:1312/08/20
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Level kale up to 60 - that should be your only priority. it will open game play up immensly. Don't worry about more 50s. Get him up and you will be able to level the rest much more quickly. Also- get his masteries maxed as soon as you can.

Dec 8, 2020, 23:4012/08/20
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Hmmm. You're handling things a bit unconventionally, let's say... which can work up to a point, but it seems you're seeing the limits of it already. 

First of all, your first priority is getting either Elhain or Athel (are they both 50?) to 60. Athel might be a bit more versatile, probably the best pick unless Elhain is already higher level. Forget nightmare, forget dungeons, forget everything except endlessly running the highest stage of brutal you can run with 1 geared champ (Elhain? Athel? Juliana?) and 3 food champions until you get Elhain/Athel to 6*. Either of them at 6* could do your campaign farming on brutal 12.3 moving forward, as well as helping you tons in dungeons. You're building too many 5*s when you should be working on 6*s. And too many of them are support champions who fill similar roles. 

For dungeon progress after you get Elhain/Athel to 6*, focus on Dragon, where you'll need probably both of them, Warmaiden, Juliana and Romero, I'd imagine. 

You may be gearing your champions wrong if Elhain, Athel and Warmaiden aren't working well for you. Elhain/Athel should be wearing 4 pieces of the lifesteal set from login rewards, leveled to 12, with a speed or offense set in the other two slots. The other, other pieces with focus on speed, crit rate, crit damage and in Athel's case accuracy. Warmaiden needs speed and accuracy so she can put that AOE decrease defense as often as possible. All champions need speed, really. 

I could go on for a while, but let's start with that... 

I started with Elhain, and later pulled Athel. Yes they are all 50. I was even more stuck until I got Juliana who carried me through brutal, and allowed me with the help of Warpriest (in shield set) to complete all 252 points on easy/hard for a chance at other champions.

I put the lifesteal gear from Elhain to Juliana and it was night and day different. Juliana erases targets, while Elhain felt like she tickles them. Same with Athel in the same gear, Athel tickles them. It's kind of frustrating. Elhain is fully booked out, while I am still working on Athel's books.

Will level 60 make that big of a difference on them instead of say leveling Juliana first?

What about my new champions? I initially got stuck with so many supports because I Elhain and Athel would simply die without them, then I got Juliana and even slotting them with her, they both die far too easy and I've spent all my silver multiple times slotting them in the same gear that Juliana is in now and it didn't matter.

So get one or both to 6* (what about Juliana), and run Juliana, Warmaiden, Romero, Elhain, and Athel? How am I keeping them alive? They die on me by the second wave, let alone a stage 10 dragon.

Dec 9, 2020, 00:3512/09/20
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As for your new champs - Diabolist could be quite useful in arena, not that much elsewhere. Skytouched Shaman can be used even in endgame, but under quite specific circumstances considering her very special skillset - I'd consider her as a 'put on the shelf for now and come back to her later' champion, in your position. Hope could have some use if you build her tanky and with high HP for that shield, but you already have so many support champs that I don't see her being much of a priority. 

Just ran Dragon 11 again, with Athel, Elhain, Warpriest, Juliana and Romero.

Athel died wave two, Elhain lasted to mid-health dragon, damage was Athel at 57,664, Elhain 51,626, Wapriest 20,940, Juliana 358,140, and Romero 24,005. I will 6* them to see if I can get more life from them.

Dec 9, 2020, 03:0212/09/20
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I am only on day 13, but when I get to day 30 will I be using High Khatun in that group anywhere?

Dec 9, 2020, 08:2412/09/20
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Just ran Dragon 11 again, with Athel, Elhain, Warpriest, Juliana and Romero.

Athel died wave two, Elhain lasted to mid-health dragon, damage was Athel at 57,664, Elhain 51,626, Wapriest 20,940, Juliana 358,140, and Romero 24,005. I will 6* them to see if I can get more life from them.

It's normal that Juliana is going to end up with the big damage numbers because of her poison and HP burn on the dragon (which both do damage based on enemy max HP, so you get quite big numbers on high-HP enemies like the dragon and clan boss). Athel/Elhain are mainly there to clear waves with their AOE hits - although if Athel could get to the dragon and put her weaken debuff, you could kill him faster. 

J's suggestion for a dragon team is a bit different from how I saw it and not including any AOE decrease defense champion, but sounds interesting and worth a shot. But that's looking further ahead - for now, we both figure you should get Athel to 6* first. Elhain to 6* isn't a terrible choice (I used Elhain as my starter, too), but Athel has a clear edge in a few places thanks to that weaken debuff, which not too many champions have, so better to go with her. 

Dec 9, 2020, 08:2612/09/20
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I am only on day 13, but when I get to day 30 will I be using High Khatun in that group anywhere?

In that dragon team, probably not. You'll definitely be using her in arena though, and could consider using her in other dungeons or clan boss, because of her speed aura and turn meter increase (the latter is more or less the same as apothecary's). But of course, by then you might have other champions as well. 

Dec 9, 2020, 16:2112/09/20
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In that dragon team, probably not. You'll definitely be using her in arena though, and could consider using her in other dungeons or clan boss, because of her speed aura and turn meter increase (the latter is more or less the same as apothecary's). But of course, by then you might have other champions as well. 

Question for later down the road. What do I look for in champions to transition this team to take on the Spider, and Fire Knight later on?

Dec 9, 2020, 22:0312/09/20
05/13/19
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L9753 adds another great point.

I had to give him upvotes again. lol


Most peeps do like using AOE Def Down champs in the Dragon.

I have AOE Def Down has part as the Bonus Skills for the Dragon.


If you look at the below team I am saying, You don't see any AOE Def Down Champs.

The thing is they can work there way into the team composition.


I think your Dragon team should probably be:

Leader: Gnarl Horn - 27% Defense Aura 

- Gnarl Horn ------------------------> AOE Crowd Control - Provoke

- Athel -------------------------------> AOE Damage Dealer

- Skytouch Shaman -----------------> Revive / Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs / Healing

- Juliana -----------------------------> Poison

- Romero ----------------------------> Shields + C.Healing 


You have to remember the set up I am recommending to you has 2 rares + 3 epics.

You don't have any All Epics or All Legendaries in this set up I am recommending. 


Later on down the road, You may pull a Dracomorph.

Dracomorph does Poison + AOE Def Down.

Dracomorph would be doing what Julaina is doing + more.


You can see how when you start pulling other champions.

These other champions can sneak there way into the team composition offering you more benefits.


Another example is Athel.

I am suggesting using Athel in this set up as an AOE Damage Dealer.


Later on down the road, You may pull a Zargala.

Zargala can be an AOE Damage Dealer + AOE Def Down.


You can see how when you upgrade the rarity of heroes.

You often get more benefits which come along with them.

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Yeah - I just wanted to explain that a little bit more better. 

It was a great observation by L9753 and it kind of goes back to what I was saying previously.

Look at all the skills I am recommending for you to have vs. Dragon:


Critical Skills for Dragon:

1. AOE Crowd Control (Stuns / Freeze / Provoke / True Fears)

2. AOE Damage Dealer

3. Revive

4. Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs on Allies

5. Poison


Bonus Skills for Dragon:

6. Turn Meter Filling

7. Decrease Defense

8. Decrease Attack

9. Heals

10. Shields 


I'm bascially saying you need 10 different skills vs. Dragon.

How can you get all of these 10 skills when you are only allowed to have 5 heroes in a team?

Most cases the heroes you select will need to do multiple of these things.

Dec 11, 2020, 13:5512/11/20
Dec 11, 2020, 14:20(edited)
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Athel is fully booked, and level 57 as I level food for Juliana. Athel will be 60 tonight.

Dec 25, 2020, 19:1612/25/20
Dec 25, 2020, 21:52(edited)
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I would Fully Book Athel + get her to level 60.

I would Save all your other resources till you advance further.

- Save Epic Tomes

- Save Jizoh


Your Athel isn't finished, yet.

You never know what will happen.


Lets say you finish making Athel level 60.

Than you pull a Shard and get a Legendary hero.


At that point, The Legendary hero might be good for your Dragon team.

Than your Dragon team will change based on new hero you acquired.


So its better to focus resources on like very short term goals because long term goals can change.



Some developments on my team, and not sure what direction to go from here. I have Athel level 60, fully booked out, 6 star ascension, Miscreated Monster level 60, fully booked out, 3 star ascension, Juliana level 60, unbooked, 3 star ascensioin, Romero level 50, unbooked, 3 star ascension. I was literally ready to 6 star Romero when I pulled Miscreated Monster.

Who would you add to this team, Diabolist, Gnarlhorn, Aothar, High Khatun (I get tomorrow), Skytouched Shaman, Valerie, Dagger "def down/atk down",  Adjuticator "turn manipulator", Haruspex, Fleshmonger "def down/buffs", Ripperfist, Hellgazer, Harvester, Gladiator, Guardian, Bulwark, Hope and Kurzad Deepheart.

Assuming I'm keeping the main four above for dungeons, doom tower, and the like. I put Aothar with Juliana in Clan Boss.

Dec 25, 2020, 19:2612/25/20
Dec 25, 2020, 19:46(edited)
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Even though I've leveled Juliana to 60, I kind of feel like the Juliana/Romero duo is a hinderance. I almost feel like I should go Athel, Juliana, Miscreated Monster, Fleshmonger, and someone else and drop Romero for dungeons and doomtower. Pulling Miscreated Monster changed my team drastically. Gnarlhorn actually works really good beside Miscreated Monster in Doom Tower. Wish I wasn't 96 days away from getting Drex fromt he Bazaar.

The biggest issue I have with this is that I've got Romero in a shield set.

Dec 26, 2020, 01:5312/26/20
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M.Monster  is a great Champion.

I just don't know if he will change your team or not.


Ok, here is what I think.

I think MM is a God vs. Spider Dungeon.

I think you should use him vs. Spider 100%


I think MM is Bad vs. Fire Knight Dungeon.

I think he doesn't had a lot of value in the fight.

MM is Bad Affinity 

MM doesn't have tons of Multiple hit moves to break shield.


I think MM is to Risky vs. Ice Golem Dungeon.

MM can get 1 shot by Boss if his Ally Protection buff gets put up at wrong time.

You would need a reviver to be save


I think MM is Nuetral vs. Dragon Dungeon.

I think people can chose to add him or decide not too.


Dec 26, 2020, 01:5512/26/20
Dec 26, 2020, 01:59(edited)
05/13/19
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If you do decide to run MM in your Dragon team, you could replace Romero.

No one says you have to always run Juliana + Romero together.


You could just run Juliana + MM.

You could even give the Shield set from Romero to MM.

Dec 26, 2020, 02:5712/26/20
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If you do decide to run MM in your Dragon team, you could replace Romero.

No one says you have to always run Juliana + Romero together.


You could just run Juliana + MM.

You could even give the Shield set from Romero to MM.

I tried him in Ice Golem, and Fire Knight and learned the hard way he does no good in those two dungeons. :)

I will use him on Spider, but I need to get Armiger leveled until I get a Coldheart. He works great in Doom Tower with Gnarlhorn at his side. That's probably where I'll run him the most. I like him in the Arena too, I just can't figure out a regular arena team I like with the champions I have.

He's not bad in Dragon, and helped me clear Dragon 13, but I still feel like I'm lacking a little in Dragon. It's probably just gear, and/or lack of Masteries on Juliana, Athel, Romero, and Gnarlhorn.

My Shield Set doesn't have enough hit point increase, not like the three sets I have Miscreated Monster in now. Would Hope work well in place of Romero? Would I really miss the ignore defense from Juliana if I don't have Romero?

Dec 26, 2020, 03:3412/26/20
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If you do decide to run MM in your Dragon team, you could replace Romero.

No one says you have to always run Juliana + Romero together.


You could just run Juliana + MM.

You could even give the Shield set from Romero to MM.

This is what I'm thinking for now..

Dragon, Doomtower and Minotaur = Juliana, Athel, Miscreated Monster, Gnarlhorn, and Skytouched Shaman

Spider, Fire Knight and Ice Golem I am working on champions like Armiger for Spider, I need a good pull for Fire Knight and Ice Golem.

Magic Keep subsitute Hope for Skytouched Shaman.

Dec 28, 2020, 13:4112/28/20
Dec 28, 2020, 13:46(edited)
05/13/19
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No - No - No

Every Dungeon is different.

Don't try to use the same team to beat every dungeon.


Instead, You should see what each dungeon does.

Than try to use heroes which can help.


If some of the hero's, you need are already built up.

It will be a bonus in your favor.


I will give you an example:

Here are the skills I told you to use vs. Dragon.


Critical Skills for Dragon:

1. AOE Crowd Control (Stuns / Freeze / Provoke / True Fears)

2. AOE Damage Dealer

3. Revive

4. Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs on Allies

5. Poison


Bonus Skills for Dragon:

6. Turn Meter Filling

7. Decrease Defense

8. Decrease Attack

9. Heals

10. Shields 


Now compare the above skills with the skills you want for Ice Golem.

You will see they are similar + different.


Critical Skills for Ice Golem:

1. Single Target Damage Dealer

2. Revive

3. Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs on Allies

4. Block Revive

5. Poison


Bonus Skills for Ice Golem:

6. Decrease Enemy Attack

7. Decrease Enemy Defense

8. AOE Stuns / Freeze / Provoke / True Fears

9. Shields

10. Heals

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Skytouch Shaman does Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs on Allies.

She is very good vs. Dragon.

The reason why is because the Dragon does Poison + Weaken.


Skytouch Shaman can be very good vs. Ice Golem.

The Ice Golem likes to do Freeze, Heal Reduction, & Defense Down.


This same champion "Skytouch Shaman" can be benefitical in both area's.

This is an example of 2 different dungeons have similar things in common.

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Block Revive is very good vs. Ice Golem.

The Ice Golem Minions keep resurrecting themselves.


If you use Block Revive, They will stay dead forever.

It will help make the fight go easier.


Block Revive is useless vs. Dragon.

The Dragon has no revive mechanic.


It would be pointless to bring a hero who does block revive against the Dragon.

This is an example of 2 different dungeons have differences which you need to account for.

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Think of each dungeon independently.

The way I was able to beat the dungeons was by making a list.

The list I am sharing with you is how I was able to win.

Dec 27, 2020, 02:2812/27/20
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If you do decide to run MM in your Dragon team, you could replace Romero.

No one says you have to always run Juliana + Romero together.


You could just run Juliana + MM.

You could even give the Shield set from Romero to MM.

I just pulled a Coldheart, and Frostbringer. Frostbringer will be added to my faction team, and I'll use Coldheart for Spider's Den and Fire Knight's castle. Should Coldheart replace Juliana? I don't know how good Coldheart is, and I'm just now leveling her.

Is there some mystical world I can run Coldheart, Athel, Juliana, and Miscreated Monster together? :)

Dec 9, 2020, 23:2812/09/20
05/13/19
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I would Fully Book Athel + get her to level 60.

I would Save all your other resources till you advance further.

- Save Epic Tomes

- Save Jizoh


Your Athel isn't finished, yet.

You never know what will happen.


Lets say you finish making Athel level 60.

Than you pull a Shard and get a Legendary hero.


At that point, The Legendary hero might be good for your Dragon team.

Than your Dragon team will change based on new hero you acquired.


So its better to focus resources on like very short term goals because long term goals can change.



Dec 9, 2020, 22:4512/09/20
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L9753 adds another great point.

I had to give him upvotes again. lol


Most peeps do like using AOE Def Down champs in the Dragon.

I have AOE Def Down has part as the Bonus Skills for the Dragon.


If you look at the below team I am saying, You don't see any AOE Def Down Champs.

The thing is they can work there way into the team composition.


I think your Dragon team should probably be:

Leader: Gnarl Horn - 27% Defense Aura 

- Gnarl Horn ------------------------> AOE Crowd Control - Provoke

- Athel -------------------------------> AOE Damage Dealer

- Skytouch Shaman -----------------> Revive / Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs / Healing

- Juliana -----------------------------> Poison

- Romero ----------------------------> Shields + C.Healing 


You have to remember the set up I am recommending to you has 2 rares + 3 epics.

You don't have any All Epics or All Legendaries in this set up I am recommending. 


Later on down the road, You may pull a Dracomorph.

Dracomorph does Poison + AOE Def Down.

Dracomorph would be doing what Julaina is doing + more.


You can see how when you start pulling other champions.

These other champions can sneak there way into the team composition offering you more benefits.


Another example is Athel.

I am suggesting using Athel in this set up as an AOE Damage Dealer.


Later on down the road, You may pull a Zargala.

Zargala can be an AOE Damage Dealer + AOE Def Down.


You can see how when you upgrade the rarity of heroes.

You often get more benefits which come along with them.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


Yeah - I just wanted to explain that a little bit more better. 

It was a great observation by L9753 and it kind of goes back to what I was saying previously.

Look at all the skills I am recommending for you to have vs. Dragon:


Critical Skills for Dragon:

1. AOE Crowd Control (Stuns / Freeze / Provoke / True Fears)

2. AOE Damage Dealer

3. Revive

4. Block Debuffs / Remove Debuffs on Allies

5. Poison


Bonus Skills for Dragon:

6. Turn Meter Filling

7. Decrease Defense

8. Decrease Attack

9. Heals

10. Shields 


I'm bascially saying you need 10 different skills vs. Dragon.

How can you get all of these 10 skills when you are only allowed to have 5 heroes in a team?

Most cases the heroes you select will need to do multiple of these things.

Thank you for all the time you are spending to help out. I have enough rare books to either fully book Gnarlhorn, or partially book Athel out. Which of these two should I spend my books on?

I have to wait until Sunday to get the potions to ascend Skytouch Shaman a third time or more depending on the time I spend farming potions.

I've been holding onto my epic books because I only have two. Should I continue to hold these?

I get Jizoh tomorrow. Should I hold onto him, or can I use him for food? Is there a champion I have that would benefit well from the retaliation set that came with these freebies? Most of the rolls on the set were defensive based.