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Clarification on Kawn Branchbreaker A2

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11 берез. 2025, 17:4711.03.25
25.06.20
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Clarification on Kawn Branchbreaker A2

It's... really strangely worded. "Ignores a percentage of each target’s DEF equal to 50% of the difference between this Champion’s MAX HP and any [Shield]s on them."

Is "them" the targets? Does that mean if they have no shield buffs, it ignores 50% DEF? If he has, say, 50k hp, and they have 5k shield, does that mean he ignores (45/50)/2 = 45% DEF? If he less max hp than their shield, does that mean he ... decreases the damage done instead of ignoring DEF?

Or is "them" a gender agnostic term referencing himself? In which case does he ignore more DEF the lower his own shield is?

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12 берез. 2025, 18:1912.03.25
25.06.20
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Bump :)

dthorne04Moderator
13 берез. 2025, 05:3313.03.25
13 берез. 2025, 05:33(відредаговано)
30.12.20
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somewhat certain them = targets

Would also guess it doesn't decrease his damage, just doesn't ignore bonus def

all that said the wording is a bit of a mess and I'll double check

18 берез. 2025, 00:3518.03.25
25.06.20
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Any updates? Given he's now an event champ, would be good to get clarification. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 берез. 2025, 01:0118.03.25
24.06.19
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kramaswamy.kr

Any updates? Given he's now an event champ, would be good to get clarification. 

Ill ask them again.  Still seems to be a bit of confusion.

18 берез. 2025, 05:3118.03.25
31.01.20
1964

Based on a video I watched from Skaratch, the shield that matters is the shield on Kawn, whether he places it or it comes from gear or another toon on the team.   

However, the wording would seem to indicate that the lower the shield on Kawn (and therefore the greater the difference), the more Def is ignored, but that is opposite of what Skaratch was saying in the video.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 берез. 2025, 10:5218.03.25
24.06.19
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The answer that we got from the devs.

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ShortOnSkillzModerator
18 берез. 2025, 10:5318.03.25
24.06.19
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Onikage55

Here, I'll explain how his A2 works:

Kawn is on a train going 60mph from Chicago to New York. The target is on a plane going 600mph from Miami to Alaska. The damage is the distance in centimeters from the ground to the plane when the Target flies over Kawn, minus the amount of days left in the year and then mulitplied by the phase of the moon.

Simple enough?

Edit: I forgot to mention the attack also ignores armor equal to the difference in the attacking player's ID minus the current date in mm/dd/yy format, then divided by 100.

You forgot to include the owners country of origin and the Daylight Savings Time adjustment. 

18 берез. 2025, 12:5118.03.25
25.06.20
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ShortOnSkillz

The answer that we got from the devs.

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And is it the shield on himself that matters? So if he has more shield than hp, he'll ignore more than 50% def?

18 берез. 2025, 13:5818.03.25
16.12.21
2120

I mean, there are other champs who have attacks which ignore defense without convoluted poorly-worded set-ups required.

18 берез. 2025, 21:5018.03.25
31.01.20
1964

Accoring to HH website, Kawn's shield multiplier is 3.5*Def, so let's say you give him build of 6K Def & 50K HP.

His A3 will put up a shield worth 21K, which is 42% of 50K, so his A2 would ignore 21% of Enemy Defense on top of the Savage/Lethal/Merciless Gear and Helmsmasher that you would want on him too.

HH does rate his A2 as "Godlike" for Arena, but that is predicated on the correct setup, which for Kawn means a shield is up before he hits.

18 берез. 2025, 22:0518.03.25
25.06.20
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If I had him, I feel like I'd probably use him like Harima. Put him on a team who isn't trying to necessarily win instantly, because his A2 not only ignores DEF, it also destroys HP, and his passive also increases DEF, so he gets stronger as the fight goes on. The shield part is just bonus points, but works well if you put him with someone like, say, Mithrala or UDK.

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18 берез. 2025, 22:1318.03.25
24.06.19
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WileyMan

Accoring to HH website, Kawn's shield multiplier is 3.5*Def, so let's say you give him build of 6K Def & 50K HP.

His A3 will put up a shield worth 21K, which is 42% of 50K, so his A2 would ignore 21% of Enemy Defense on top of the Savage/Lethal/Merciless Gear and Helmsmasher that you would want on him too.

HH does rate his A2 as "Godlike" for Arena, but that is predicated on the correct setup, which for Kawn means a shield is up before he hits.

Problem is are you getting 2 turns like that in arena, and if you are why bother with the extra step when so many other options are just better.  Of course you could run him with Bolster Nehkret or something to that effect but Narses exists.

18 берез. 2025, 22:3618.03.25
01.07.22
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MooredRat

I mean, there are other champs who have attacks which ignore defense without convoluted poorly-worded set-ups required.

I mean the game is so RNG focused sometimes, I'm waiting for the champion that changes Type based on what day of the week it is

19 берез. 2025, 04:0219.03.25
31.01.20
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ShortOnSkillz

Problem is are you getting 2 turns like that in arena, and if you are why bother with the extra step when so many other options are just better.  Of course you could run him with Bolster Nehkret or something to that effect but Narses exists.

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

19 берез. 2025, 04:3119.03.25
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WileyMan

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

Embrys, the Chimera mythic, has block revive on his form 2 a1, and people are gonna start getting him soon

19 берез. 2025, 05:1119.03.25
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WileyMan

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

I don't think he should be discounted. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Rotos too. The A1 has block revive and the A2 destroys max HP, and rather than growing his HP, he grows his DEF.

Now, of course, you're right, he's a void lego, so that means he has to measure up against some pretty big champs. Still - I think if I were to get him, I'd probably see if I could find a way to get him on a team.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
19 берез. 2025, 09:0419.03.25
24.06.19
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kramaswamy.kr

I don't think he should be discounted. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Rotos too. The A1 has block revive and the A2 destroys max HP, and rather than growing his HP, he grows his DEF.

Now, of course, you're right, he's a void lego, so that means he has to measure up against some pretty big champs. Still - I think if I were to get him, I'd probably see if I could find a way to get him on a team.

It's entirely possible he's better than we think, but if we come back to the core of the question...Do we think he's worth dumping all the resources in this Deck to get?  For me it's an easy no.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
19 берез. 2025, 09:0519.03.25
24.06.19
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MooredRat

Embrys, the Chimera mythic, has block revive on his form 2 a1, and people are gonna start getting him soon

Yup, where are you guys at with his frags?  I'm at 83 so it'll be 3 more  for me.

ShortOnSkillzModerator
19 берез. 2025, 09:0719.03.25
24.06.19
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WileyMan

I agree totally. Relying on shields for sustainability is even less viable these days than my Old School High Res Tanks.  Narses made Mithrala & Valkyrie mostly irrelevant for Arena Defense.

He seems like he is designed as a PVP Nuker, but feels lackluster for that role comapred to the field of Void Lego Nukers....although the Block Revive on the A1 is solid.

Mhmm, If I pulled him from a shard I'm extremely disappointed and equally no chance I'm spending 25 Sacreds or 150 voids or 11 Eternal stones for him.

19 берез. 2025, 16:3619.03.25
31.01.20
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kramaswamy.kr

I don't think he should be discounted. In a lot of ways he reminds me of Rotos too. The A1 has block revive and the A2 destroys max HP, and rather than growing his HP, he grows his DEF.

Now, of course, you're right, he's a void lego, so that means he has to measure up against some pretty big champs. Still - I think if I were to get him, I'd probably see if I could find a way to get him on a team.

If I pulled him from a shard, I am sure I would build him. I was trying hard to convince myself to do the DoF, but I just can't justify the resource expenditure knowing that there will almost certainly be a must-do event for a Fabian 5* awakening popping up soon.  

I really wanted to pull soulstones to try to get a big Marius awakening, and if there had been a 2X on them, I am sure I would have done this DoF w/o a second thought.