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Live Arena - is like Groundhog day (the movie)

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5 січ. 2025, 04:0705.01.25
25.09.20
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Live Arena - is like Groundhog day (the movie)

I love this game so much and have put so much time and $$ into it, just like anyone else that loves it. 

Before I go on, I want readers to understand, I code, I also have an uncanny ability to see and find patterns in things. I am not saying I have to win every fight, but losing every fight is NOT ok.  

For months on end I have screen recorded almost every single live arena fight I have had. Which is about 25-30 a day. So you can say I know live arena very well. There seems to be an obvious pattern coded in the system. I have been stuck at 4500 for weeks and weeks. The same thing happened when I reached 3k, 3.5k and 4k. 

Everyday I lose fights no matter how much I update my gear, get faster, stronger or change my teams around,  its just lose, lose, lose.  Which is disheartning to say the very least. Everytime a player reaches a milstone, like clockwork the system sets them back so far its ridiculous and frustrating. The numbers do not match whats going on. How can I have 48% average when I am not winning any fights.

e.g -  I lose 4 out of 5 fights, but then I win one, I dont even get to fight because the teams just bails out before the fight starts. Then its rinse and repeat.  25-30 times a day, every fight, every day WTF. 

Thats a lot of fights I pay for to never get anywhere for weeks and weeks. This is not random behaviour of a game. I have the footage. Its the same every single time. Then suddenly, things change I am being matched with easy teams, where does the system suddenly find these easy teams for me beat???? 

Then when I reach the next milestone. It all starts again.  Why decieve players and make them think are actually playing a game, when in fact the entire thing is controlled. Why?  

Players I know are experiencing similar occurances.its not just me. This makes us just wanna rage quit. I get that the $$ are the most important thing and the players just dont matter anymore. But if you wanna keep making money from us, at least make the game fair and honest. Or, is that something of the past. 


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5 січ. 2025, 14:1305.01.25
19.08.23
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I have been playing games for almost 30 years and i have never encountered anything in any game that i hated more than live arena in RSL. Its an absolute garbage mode and there is not one positive thing i can say about it. The P2W aspect of it is just WAY to high and pay enough and you can just win with going full auto. When they started to force people to play that crap by making it an advanced quest was also the time i decided to go from a low spender to not put one single cent more into the game.

5 січ. 2025, 18:0705.01.25
19.12.19
6677

Maybe you are a good programmer but you are a shitty analyst.  I see enough data in your little rant to see that.

Are there tiers within tiers beyond completely random matchmaking, of course.  Do these assist everyone in progression towards gold and eventually gold 4.  Yes.

Does difficulty increase at milestone points.  Yes.

Is live arena, and all pvp, significantly easier the more you spend. Of course. 

Is the system perfect, of course not. Fair? Absolutely. 



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5 січ. 2025, 19:1705.01.25
24.06.19
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Trips

Maybe you are a good programmer but you are a shitty analyst.  I see enough data in your little rant to see that.

Are there tiers within tiers beyond completely random matchmaking, of course.  Do these assist everyone in progression towards gold and eventually gold 4.  Yes.

Does difficulty increase at milestone points.  Yes.

Is live arena, and all pvp, significantly easier the more you spend. Of course. 

Is the system perfect, of course not. Fair? Absolutely. 



As long as i can keep manipulating the system for easy fights and my 4 primals a month I'm good.

6 січ. 2025, 07:2706.01.25
25.09.20
6
Trips

Maybe you are a good programmer but you are a shitty analyst.  I see enough data in your little rant to see that.

Are there tiers within tiers beyond completely random matchmaking, of course.  Do these assist everyone in progression towards gold and eventually gold 4.  Yes.

Does difficulty increase at milestone points.  Yes.

Is live arena, and all pvp, significantly easier the more you spend. Of course. 

Is the system perfect, of course not. Fair? Absolutely. 



Awww you upset I'm complaining about live arena? grow up.  I certaintly wasnt boasting about the coding and I never mentioned anything about being an analyst.  So you can stick your "shitty" comment up your A**.

In future it might pay to keep you "little" insults to yourself.

Now that I got that out of the way, I agree with some of what you say, accept its def NOT fair. Putting lvl 70's with 3k points against lvl 100 whales is bullshit to say the least. This matching system does not work the way you describe it. Like I said I have footage months and months of it to prove otherwise.

I dont care about what the dev's write publically or what you read about how the game work. They obviously do not disclose eveything. 


6 січ. 2025, 07:3606.01.25
25.09.20
6
Jontti7

I have been playing games for almost 30 years and i have never encountered anything in any game that i hated more than live arena in RSL. Its an absolute garbage mode and there is not one positive thing i can say about it. The P2W aspect of it is just WAY to high and pay enough and you can just win with going full auto. When they started to force people to play that crap by making it an advanced quest was also the time i decided to go from a low spender to not put one single cent more into the game.

Yeah me too Jontti7. My first online was WoW. Before that I was playing xbox, playstations, I go all the way to Atari days LOL. You're 100% right its really frustrating. 

I want RSL to stick around for a long time. But, this casino type gatcha thing and obvious money grabbing tactics, just leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth. I guess it leaves me to contemplate whether I wanna keep playing or not. 

6 січ. 2025, 12:2806.01.25
6 січ. 2025, 12:30(відредаговано)
15.01.21
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Awww you upset I'm complaining about live arena? grow up.  I certaintly wasnt boasting about the coding and I never mentioned anything about being an analyst.  So you can stick your "shitty" comment up your A**.

In future it might pay to keep you "little" insults to yourself.

Now that I got that out of the way, I agree with some of what you say, accept its def NOT fair. Putting lvl 70's with 3k points against lvl 100 whales is bullshit to say the least. This matching system does not work the way you describe it. Like I said I have footage months and months of it to prove otherwise.

I dont care about what the dev's write publically or what you read about how the game work. They obviously do not disclose eveything. 


I rarely agree with trips on anything, and i do not enjoy live arena. I also think the games is very PTW. I am an ftp player who has played a lot and knows being ftp is a disadvantage

 But lets break this down a bit.

You are apparently in Gold live arena?, that is supposed to be the 'elite' section and competitive. The fact you have managed to reach gold while still level 70 demonstrates  that the game has artificially lowered the difficulty for you to ensure you reach gold. 

What you seem to want is for the system to consistently match you against other players that have not spent the time (or money) to build up their accounts up, even though you are in the 'elite' tiers. 

Why should you have easier fights than someone who for example has grinded their butt off to get good gear and a good roster? Leagues/Tiers are supposed to exist for a reason. Gold live arena is supposed to be competitive.

6 січ. 2025, 16:5906.01.25
19.12.19
6677
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Awww you upset I'm complaining about live arena? grow up.  I certaintly wasnt boasting about the coding and I never mentioned anything about being an analyst.  So you can stick your "shitty" comment up your A**.

In future it might pay to keep you "little" insults to yourself.

Now that I got that out of the way, I agree with some of what you say, accept its def NOT fair. Putting lvl 70's with 3k points against lvl 100 whales is bullshit to say the least. This matching system does not work the way you describe it. Like I said I have footage months and months of it to prove otherwise.

I dont care about what the dev's write publically or what you read about how the game work. They obviously do not disclose eveything. 


Curious what I described that you feel is incorrect? 

I have no idea what the devs say tbh, my opinion is based solely on my own data points and validated by others stating similar findings. 

I certainly agree newer players are also at a significant disadvantage same as the spending discrepancy.  

Exactly how the matchmaking works, I don't really bother to decipher as my objective is simply 5 wins as quickly as possible then quit out my remaining tokens.  But whatever combination of factors determines my opponents, the convergence towards a 50% win rate is a certainty. 

If you are a level 70 and not a big spender you definitely have an uphill battle in pvp, but I'm fairly confident that however the system is designed it is actually helping you more than a pure ELO type system. 

Good luck!


8 січ. 2025, 01:4608.01.25
25.09.20
6
Trevor Wilson

I rarely agree with trips on anything, and i do not enjoy live arena. I also think the games is very PTW. I am an ftp player who has played a lot and knows being ftp is a disadvantage

 But lets break this down a bit.

You are apparently in Gold live arena?, that is supposed to be the 'elite' section and competitive. The fact you have managed to reach gold while still level 70 demonstrates  that the game has artificially lowered the difficulty for you to ensure you reach gold. 

What you seem to want is for the system to consistently match you against other players that have not spent the time (or money) to build up their accounts up, even though you are in the 'elite' tiers. 

Why should you have easier fights than someone who for example has grinded their butt off to get good gear and a good roster? Leagues/Tiers are supposed to exist for a reason. Gold live arena is supposed to be competitive.

I may not have explained myself properly... im not expecting anything to change for my benefit. It was just a rant.

The level 70 thing was just an example, I am lvl 95 - 4515 points in gold III and have been stuck there for weeks. To fight 25 fights a day and end up worse than you started off for weeks on end is the most frustraing experience I have ever had in my entire life of gaming. I promise you I am not exaggerating. I'm old (Gen X Old). so thats a lot of gaming. I even feel sorry for the lvl 70's that are put up against my team. There is zero excuse for the way they have set up live arena. I see PVP as a game of skill, its not just about how much $$ someone spends and the amount power they could affords to buy. I kinda of wish that, when a both teams enter live arena, equalise the power for all teams and make it a game of skill. Then it become fair and the whales have to actually do some work and use their brains to win the fight.  Thanks for replying. TC

8 січ. 2025, 10:2708.01.25
15.01.21
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I may not have explained myself properly... im not expecting anything to change for my benefit. It was just a rant.

The level 70 thing was just an example, I am lvl 95 - 4515 points in gold III and have been stuck there for weeks. To fight 25 fights a day and end up worse than you started off for weeks on end is the most frustraing experience I have ever had in my entire life of gaming. I promise you I am not exaggerating. I'm old (Gen X Old). so thats a lot of gaming. I even feel sorry for the lvl 70's that are put up against my team. There is zero excuse for the way they have set up live arena. I see PVP as a game of skill, its not just about how much $$ someone spends and the amount power they could affords to buy. I kinda of wish that, when a both teams enter live arena, equalise the power for all teams and make it a game of skill. Then it become fair and the whales have to actually do some work and use their brains to win the fight.  Thanks for replying. TC

Yeh i am old as well, my first gaming was text based games (muds) where if you were killed you lost everything :)

I wish pvp in raid was about skill but the truth is that raid generally is about 2 things, grinding until your eyes bleed- or spending ridiculous amounts of money to avoid the grinding. That doesnt just apply to live arena, it applies to all parts of the game.

I think there is zero chance of stats being equalised in LA, it would remove the reason for whales to whale.

Dont get me wrong, i do not understand why people spend huge amounts to 'win' on a mobile game, it would completely kill any satisfaction i got from 'winning' if i was to do that (and my wife would kill me anyway if i blew thousands on a game)

But again, being realistic, without whales- the game would probably not exist.