Im really assuming here that squeezing people for cash wasnt the main goal. There should be some balance. 

Really? Just looking at the different pricing of same packs to different customers says something else.

Other than that i agree 110% with you.

This game needs some srs cganges else it will go downhill with all the discouraging things it has.

Unknown_Ranger said:

Despite this solid foundation...

Yeah, it feels like with all the energy put into developing the core, story, art - there was not much time left to actually figure out the balance of things.

I agree with most that you said here.

I'm not sure about the balance of duplicate characters. Later in the game, there's a handful of viable rares, a dozen of viable epics which are hard to max out, a handful of great legendaries which are impossible to get and/or max out. Whether you invest money or great amount of time, nothing guarantees you any satisfaction or any advantage. Fusion could partially fix this, but they are holding on starting it again. Why?

Progress missions, being what they are today, are fine with huge exception that they are so imbalanced. Most of the missions can be completed in less than an hour, then you run into great hall upgrade missions where you spend weeks.

Paying silver to swap gear is bad. Upgrading gear through RNG is really bad. Most of the games may require you to collect certain materials for upgrade, or may require you to wait for 48 hours for some item to upgrade. Here, it's a toss of a coin that in 99% falls on "ooops, failure, try again".

This game practically discourages you from doing anything. You can't realistically plan anything. Gear upgrade may cost 100K or 10000K, seriously? The only viable thing that yields returns is farming food, hoping for a lucky draw from the next shard. But for that, I could play some "Happy Farm".

The worst part is, no matter how bad some of these design decisions were, Plarium will never change them, but instead double down on the awesomeness of RNG wall.

What you are saying here have already been said before by many people many times. No changes.

Generally speaking the more you play this game the more annoyances and inconviniences you notice. Raid is a very inconvinient game to play.

There are so many things that are missing, broken, ignored or otherwise. And players keep talking about these things all the time.

Perhaps their idea was to create a hardcore game for hardcore players who are used to neverending grind. But you can only get so much from these players. Mobile games need to stay at the top of the lists to stay relevant. They need to remain being popular. Hardcore games cant do that.

So they are planning to release this game on PC with their own launcher. Will this really change things? I doubt that. What will change things is them implementing all the things players have been shouting into their deaf ears all these months.

The points mentioned in the OP would destroy this game within months.

Make gear easier to get? Everyone will have top gear, no one will be different, anything less than what's desired will just be unusable trash.

Increase legendary rate? Everyone will have legendaries, anything less than legendary would soon be junk.

Remove gear swapping costs? Everyone will test out the best fit, post it on Reddit and discord, and then everyone will wear only that.

This game is hard. And that's good. I don't particularly love some parts of it, like running Minotaur 100 times in a row to make one toon better. But it's hard yet enjoyable and it should stay that way.

You are right about content though, a bit more content coming through would be good.

Zaros said:

The points mentioned in the OP would destroy this game within months.

Make gear easier to get? Everyone will have top gear, no one will be different, anything less than what's desired will just be unusable trash.

Increase legendary rate? Everyone will have legendaries, anything less than legendary would soon be junk.

Remove gear swapping costs? Everyone will test out the best fit, post it on Reddit and discord, and then everyone will wear only that.

This game is hard. And that's good. I don't particularly love some parts of it, like running Minotaur 100 times in a row to make one toon better. But it's hard yet enjoyable and it should stay that way.

You are right about content though, a bit more content coming through would be good.

The one thing you didn't mention which leads me to believe you haven't been playing too long perhaps, is the customer service. Worst I've seen in any online game yet and I'm a very patient dude. Making a ticket in game only to have them tell you to go post on the forum is terrible. Especially when that doesn't get answered too.

This comment is actually pretty important because this type of thinking is how Raid ended up being created this way and it should be exposed. 

There is a big difference between making gear easier to get and making gear easy to get. Nobody is saying 5* epics should be dropping every 2 runs. 

Secondly, team strategy is actually important. Even if it takes  3 days instead of a week to get one of the 5* epics you are looking for, who you put it on matters. Also, the other gear sets matter. The primary and secondary stat combinations matter. There are too many things that affect how a team plays to be making it such a daunting task to max out one team strategy of the countless combinations. 

With gear costs, the main reason why there are gear costs is to prevent people from swapping team strategy in arena. I already talked to Plarium about this, in fact my 1 star rating on Google Play is solely because of this. I told them that was their problem and they should have found another way to fix that dilemma than push out swap costs.

My suggestion was to put a long timer on people who players have attacked and lost to so they cant just swap gear and attack them again. If that doesnt work find something else. Random matchmaking even so you cant see the team you are going to fight until it has started. Anything is better than swap gear costs. 

They literally told me that swap costs was in other games suggesting it was normal. I called bs on that. Nobody is crazy enough to prevent players from swapping obtained gear in a strategy game. I would really like to see where they got that idea from. 

If you are worried about meta gear combos, swap costs are not preventing people from finding optimal ways of playing. There are people who are taking the massive costs to test and they are sharing that info. Also, its difficult for one gear combination to work against all teams because of all the champion and gear effects and stats. 

As for legendaries, players who play these games want to be able to progress and get good items. 6% is fine on sacred but there are not enough sacreds unless you buy them with real cash. I'm not interested in playing a game where i cannot collect some of the better items that are available to improve my account at a decent pace. Nobody is. 

Does that mean legendaries should be falling from the sky? No. This is why i ended the post by saying there is a balance to these things. Its hard to explain what this means unless you have played different gacha games for a while. 

As for the customer service, that is a false assumption. I have been redirected to discord, and i still have that email. I just gave the support a low rating after they sent the survey. I just forgot to mention that earlier. 

Its not like devs do not want the game to be better. I believe they do. They have this intention somewhere deep in their minds.

Hello all

Thanks for all the feedback!, I'll highlight this post to the CM's/Devs.

Unknown_Ranger said:

They literally told me that swap costs was in other games suggesting it was normal. I called bs on that. Nobody is crazy enough to prevent players from swapping obtained gear in a strategy game. I would really like to see where they got that idea from. 

If you are worried about meta gear combos, swap costs are not preventing people from finding optimal ways of playing. There are people who are taking the massive costs to test and they are sharing that info. Also, its difficult for one gear combination to work against all teams because of all the champion and gear effects and stats. 

Yeah. I was enjoying this game quite a bit, at first. The Level 6 Artifact missions are built to suck you dry and keep you paying for energy packs to beat them. 

Ultimately, this is just another pay to win game. You run out of  energy pretty quickly if you dedicate any real time to the game. 

Support is virtually useless. When I iterated that several players were complaining about the 3* ATK% missions, I was told that it was just part of the game. So, buy an energy pack, then spend it all on one set of missions. Not worth my money or time.

Hello!

This is something the Dev Team is already working on. We're hoping to release the changes in Update 1.8. Thank you for your patience!

fhmqe74cu3 said:

Yeah. I was enjoying this game quite a bit, at first. The Level 6 Artifact missions are built to suck you dry and keep you paying for energy packs to beat them. 

Ultimately, this is just another pay to win game. You run out of  energy pretty quickly if you dedicate any real time to the game. 

Support is virtually useless. When I iterated that several players were complaining about the 3* ATK% missions, I was told that it was just part of the game. So, buy an energy pack, then spend it all on one set of missions. Not worth my money or time.

Even with the graphics and some redeeming qualities, when you build in a money pit, it's obvious that Plarium is out for money, not fun. It could be an awesome game, but it's pretty much just a scam, at this point.

My suggestion :

Dungeon artifact drop --->  2-3 random artifact for every win but we only can choose one of them. So we will have an option to choose desired artifact 

Artifact upgrade ---> high 75%, medium 50%, low 25%, minimal 15%

Artifact removal ---> artifact back to inventory when you sacrifice characters for rank upgraded

Summon ---> you will get point for every summon. After reached certain point you will get free epic / legendary champion. Example : green shard +1 point, blue shard +20 point, purple shard +50 point, yellow shard +200 point. Reach 300 & 600 point will get free epic. Reach 1000 point will get free legendary. After reach 1000 point it will reset to zero again. 

There has to be cost removing items or you just get max stats on your few sets of gear then swap it on to whomever you want, ie some very ropey heros that are awsome counters to certain boss/ arena players and virtually never need to upgrade more gear. (imho) they could be a little lower say 25k for 5* still cost you 150k to swap out 6 items or much much less for items lvl 12 and under (much eiaser to experiment then)

RoadHouse_ said:

Unknown_Ranger said:

They literally told me that swap costs was in other games suggesting it was normal. I called bs on that. Nobody is crazy enough to prevent players from swapping obtained gear in a strategy game. I would really like to see where they got that idea from. 

If you are worried about meta gear combos, swap costs are not preventing people from finding optimal ways of playing. There are people who are taking the massive costs to test and they are sharing that info. Also, its difficult for one gear combination to work against all teams because of all the champion and gear effects and stats. 

Summoners War has cost removing gear, but there's also an option to outright trash the equipped gear to equip something else instead of having to pay to remove the gear. It's one way to keep the economy in check to keep supply from going through the roof.

You didn't mention that Summoners War has "free removal" event one day every month.  Moreover everyone knows that it's always held on the first Saturday of month and get ready for this.  That's when most of the swapping happens. 

I You are so right. But there are even more things to complain about. 

When I started the game I liked it very much, so I spent much Money.

But after a while it became more and more frustrating.

First of all, getting no rewards for finishing arena gold 3 for 3 weeks in a row is really very annoying.

Support replies with useless standard answers.

Second, losing all that energy and in my case also several CB keys, due to dcs also is not funny any more.

Third, crap legendaries which are worse than many 3* is ridiculous (Astralith and Sethallia). Getting these is very frustrating.

Legendaries should not be completely useless or has anyone an Idea how to use Astralith? 

And last but not least different prices for packages.

I stopped spending money untill these problems are fixed. 

Hello!

This is something the Dev Team is already working on. We're hoping to release the changes in Update 1.8. Thank you for your patience!

fhmqe74cu3 said:

Yeah. I was enjoying this game quite a bit, at first. The Level 6 Artifact missions are built to suck you dry and keep you paying for energy packs to beat them. 

Ultimately, this is just another pay to win game. You run out of  energy pretty quickly if you dedicate any real time to the game. 

Support is virtually useless. When I iterated that several players were complaining about the 3* ATK% missions, I was told that it was just part of the game. So, buy an energy pack, then spend it all on one set of missions. Not worth my money or time.

Even with the graphics and some redeeming qualities, when you build in a money pit, it's obvious that Plarium is out for money, not fun. It could be an awesome game, but it's pretty much just a scam, at this point.

Johnnie381 said:

Valkyrie said:

Hello!

This is something the Dev Team is already working on. We're hoping to release the changes in Update 1.8. Thank you for your patience!

fhmqe74cu3 said:

Yeah. I was enjoying this game quite a bit, at first. The Level 6 Artifact missions are built to suck you dry and keep you paying for energy packs to beat them. 

Ultimately, this is just another pay to win game. You run out of  energy pretty quickly if you dedicate any real time to the game. 

Support is virtually useless. When I iterated that several players were complaining about the 3* ATK% missions, I was told that it was just part of the game. So, buy an energy pack, then spend it all on one set of missions. Not worth my money or time.

Even with the graphics and some redeeming qualities, when you build in a money pit, it's obvious that Plarium is out for money, not fun. It could be an awesome game, but it's pretty much just a scam, at this point.

I'd love to know what the dev's have planned for this whole energy thing.  How is it that a level 49 player only has 119 energy? Seriously. I've been spending money on packs because I honestly love the game. But there's no point wasting money away for the never ending grind. Im sticking to free to play from now on.  I really hope to see some changes for the better. My only real complaint is the embarrassingly low amounts of energy were given and how crazy potion farming is. I've spent 3 hours today farming for force portions and have only gotten 1 large/epic whatever potion and burnt 2k energy. Might as well just play for 20 minutes and call it a day.

The game should update the energy capacity and energy reward and player level up.

For instance, Level 1 = gives 18 base energy, each level gives 3 energy; So a level 60 should have 195 energy.

Somehow the game developer design it such a way that player get lesser energy as they level up.

In addition, they should raise the level cap of 60 to above.  Example level 100.

This benefits loyal players who stuck with the game for a long time.

In addition, the daily reward should also increase as player level increase.

Level 1-20: 7.5K Silver, 1 Mystery Shard, 1 Lesser Potion, 1 Energy, 20K Silver, 5 x Arena Tokens

Level 21-40: 15K Silver, 1 Mystery Shard, 1 Greater Potion, 2 Energy, 40K Silver, 10 x Arena Tokens

Level 41-60: 30K Silver, 1 Rare Shard, 1 Superior Potion, 3 Energy, 80K Silver, 15 x Arena Tokens