It is possible that you included special units bonus as well while calculating at your own or you have missed calculating basic strength of your special units.

In actual legendary/Special units base value is counted towards your obelisk defense not the bonus it provides in presence of supporting units.

Hiya sorry if I highjacked your post a bit but which yields better Tournament points? A fully developed stronghold with all built in defenses or a lvl 5 ob?

Well honestly i think they are all useful in there own lil ways, i really can't compare these because like i said each one helps in different way

Well I'll explain it like this. I go to 1 of my obelisks and select recall, this shows me just my troops and gives me the choice to select which I want to recall. I select all my units and look at the defensive strength at the top. I add up all 3 defensive strengths from each of our 3 obelisks and the value is 802k defensive strength. My statistics shows I have 602k defensive value at our obelisks. Which now makes the statistics bar incorrect or somehow the recall values incorrect. Either way it is hard to manage clan member expected defensive strengths, if I am quoting incorrect numbers.

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What is your in game nick? I can''t figure out the difference with this. & can you please also check if you have other legendary units in ob 1, 2 & 3?

i can see lairwatcher in ob1, lairwatcher in ob2 & lairwatcher & consumed one in ob3.

sammycableguy2003 said:

In the Statistics screen shot, I am Thundor. And yes there are other Legendaries. Still my question is, How can I manage my clan defensive requirements if the Statistics number does not match the total individual numbers. Whether there is Legendaries or not. There is a very large difference.

With my calculations it is perfectly fine.

I think you did not get my points what i tried to said earlier, The bonus you get from legendary is not counted in your ob defense only the base value while in your personal defense it does count.

Here is the example.

IN Ob1 you got 2 lair wacthers which provides you the bonus of 25.25K.  & you have some other troops for let say 50K.

When you will check it by your self it will show you 50K+25.25K+5409.6(base value for lair watcher)

while in OB it will be 50K+5409.6 in here 25K is not counted.

Ok, so when I tell one of our clan members That I only see he has 60k defense at our OB # 4, and he shoots back to me that NO, in fact he is showing 100k defense there. Who is right? The point being is these numbers need to match for the Statistics pane to be an effective tool. Otherwise I am just guessing at what defensive value each member has at our Obelisks. And when we require a certain number of minimum defense from each clan member, this cannot be monitored effectively. As I explained earlier the way I can select just my troops at the OB should show me the value at the OB as the troops are still there, they are not in my SH part of my personal defense until I actually hit the recall troops button.

well you got it all wrong my friend.

i said not counted, i didn't say no bonus is given.

Bonus is there and it will be effective in case of an attack at your OB but is not counted in calculation of defense (that you see in ob).

One simple solution is ask players that do not count legendary units toward ob defense & figures will be a near match for you & players. Or for 100% you can tell intelligent one's that base value is counted of legendary unit not the bonus. In case they have legendary units in ob they need to subtract the bonus of legendary units which they get from supporting units.

& why is that?

Let me tell you one example.

currently supporting units are alive so your lair watcher is getting bonus but what if lair watcher survive the attack but supporting units got killed. What will be left? Ofcourse only the base value not the bonus. So to give you good analysis in terms of your defense strategy and give you most accurate numbers this thing is implemented.

Ok so the end result is, the Statistics tab is not accurate in managing how much defense each clan member has at our OB's. Without matching values and not having intelligent clan members, it would be a nightmare to explain how to not include the bonus. Actual numbers would make this tool useful. 

In your example, real time numbers would be more useful than "analysis in terms of your defense strategy and give you most accurate numbers this thing is implemented."

If I send Lair Watchers and someone else sends supporting units, does the bonus still apply? Or only if I send supporting units with my Lair Watchers? Are Obelisk defenses concidered 1 army?

sammycableguy2003 said:

If I send Lair Watchers and someone else sends supporting units, does the bonus still apply? Or only if I send supporting units with my Lair Watchers? Are Obelisk defenses concidered 1 army?

I would like to have a 2nd opinion on this but i think obelisk army is considered separetaly for each player hence your lair watcher need to have your supporting units.

regarding how player can calculate value of actual defense

they can go to obelisk click recall (on specific obelisk) select all

Defense value will be given at the top and they can simply subtract bonus (which is shown next to base value of legenedary units). Such as 296169.8 is total defense value and you have lair watchers in there and provided bonus by them is 25.25K

final value will be 269169.8-25025

But, Exactly my point. I cannot see the actual value unless I do a the math. I am not prepared to explain the math behind all of this to each clan member or future clan member. So the statistic tool is rendered useless. This is too bad because it is a good concept. Would be nice if it was actually useful. I thought one of the purposes of the Statistics tool was to simplify managing defense values. You might want to rethink this.

HERE IS THE OBELISK VALUE.  Its the number under the garrison tab that is under the view of all the troops.  That is total DEF.  The add the obelisk bonus plus 5 percent per Level of Obelisk.  That gets u the total STR of OB.

Look at print screen for sample

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Then add 25 percent on top of that because its level 5 Obelisk

Ok....

Not sure what that had to do with my dilemma, however I understand all of that.

Thanks?

In summary.  Sammy Cable Guy is stating that the statistics tab is worthless for understanding precisely where you stand defensively and who is doing their part.  Or how really well defended your OB is.  

All of the moderators are explaining the way the tool that is there is doing the math.  Thank you for that academic exercise but Sammy's point remains.

The tool..as it works right now...is basically....worthless. 

Here's a thought.  Since the math and calculation is simple for the game...FIX IT.

Is this a repeat post.  I thought we covered this before.  Click Obelisk/Garrison tab.  The actual, accurate value is under the troops view.  So, scroll past the troops and look at the number below them.  Then add plus 5 percent to that number per value of your obelisk.

http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/16/0301/h_1456865279_8900440_994091c415.png

Pull up the link.  green number is 29.6 mil.  add 25 percent due to being level 5 obelisk.  So actual value is 32 million.  

So without getting my calculator out, I don't have an accurate number. The statistics should reflect the def plus the 25%. 

Thats the point!