I can agree. I see p2w mechs and weapons on bots and it infuriates me. Not just because what you just said, but also because they are low star when it could have just been another weapon that originally has that amount of stars, like if a bot has 3 star pod guns, they could have just had an actual 3 star weapon that is 3 star when gotten. I see this problem with mechs as well, most frequent in legendary mechs. Cos I play games and see like, 3-4 star surge and scorpius. I am honestly fed up with the continuous problems with plarium surrounding mech arena. Can't they just fix their game already?! These problems have been around for so long! In all my life nothing has made me far more angry than plariums repeated fumbles and "mistakes" when they know full well how they can fix it but refuse to do so cause they want people to cough up money cause the game is not fit for people that can't or won't spend money. This is such a big rant I'm sorry.

Yeah and if they want to make bots harder they should instead of having these 3 star legendaries they should have 4 star epics when they would have a weapon that strong. At least then it's at a level f2p can normally get. 3 star epic? Do a 4 star rare instead. Not available for resources? Don't give it to bots.

Hi there! Bots in the game can be strong and have good equipment, but they don't think as deeply as real players. We're working on making the AI more advanced to act more like real people. 

So in other words you do intend to pressure players to pay.

And what disadvantage? Usually people are complaining about bot's stupid non-human capabilities including with reaction time and aim. Combine this with weapons you don't have access to, that tend to be stronger than yours at least in the mid-early game because they're legendary and sometimes even strong within that category. Bots capabilities also increase the better you do, so players that perform well will often have bots that have non human capabilities, so these weapons just  give them yet more advantage.

But your excuse doesn't matter, you said it yourself "it's a good way to showcase players the abilities of freshly released weapons so they can decide whether they would like to give them a try or not". In other words what everyone was speculating. "If you have a bunch of enemies killing you with paywalled ite you might be convinced to buy it" was what was said by players as to why the bots always have paywalled items. In a cynical way by the way because they say that after they've said "of course they're trying to pressure players to pay". I don't believe that's your personal opinion, or else you're in favor of business because if you want an authentic gaming experience NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD BE OKAY WITH USING BOTS TO PUSH PAYWALLED ITEMS ON PLAYERS! THAT IS SAYING YOU ARE OKAY WITH A FAKE GAME! Do you understand?

Players already have a way to know the abilities of freshly released weapons before deciding to try it themselves. It's through the community. Which is a far better way for them to get that information than what bots do in game, which is a BAD way to do it. Not good, bad. Using bots to try and sell things to players is bad.

Also thanks for admitting paywalled items tend to be strong. Or in other words mech arena is pay to win. Because as I said anything that results in an advantage for paying players is pay to win. But it tends to be easier to overcome the advantages in real players. You have two solutions to the problem of bots having this equipment in my eyes. Either you stop giving bots this equipment, or if you wish to continue doing so the items need to become available for in game resources in gear hub upon release and you still can't give the under-leveled items to bots.

There are no excuses; I've just already clearly explained the reason for the bots in the game and their behavior. It's up to you whether to question or criticize it or not. Be sure that your feedback is heard.

And I will question and criticize it because like I said people already have ways to learn the capabilities of a weapon through the community. The bots also already have many ways to make up for their lack of intelligence. They can still get strong weapons without using paywalled ones. Bots can influence perception of reality. A person who doesn't know they're bots especially could be convinced to buy a weapon they wouldn't otherwise. Changing people's perception of reality seems to be the intention because otherwise why would so many bots have it, and why would they all keep targeting the player? As I said bots already have ways of circumventing their disadvantages and there are already strong items in gear hub available for resources that f2p players can already get.

I call what you said an excuse because that's no good reason to be giving bots all these paywalled items. As I said, they can already make up for it. They can already get strong items that are available in gear hub for resources, especially at mid levels. They don't need paywalled items to have strong equipment.

It really seems like you're trying to push players towards paying because there is no explanation that you can give that even works. If you're not, stop giving bots paywalled items or stop paywalling the items. If you are trying to push people to pay with the bots, freaking stop.

And you keep saying mech arena needs bots because not all regions will have many active players during waking hours, but I think the real reason is messing with players because 1: We keep getting issues cropping up where they are influencing match results frequently and 2: They are using paywalled items all the time.

I was already planning on exposing mech arena as a fake game. This is your last chance to show it's anything other than that. Make a wise decision.

And I will question and criticize it because like I said people already have ways to learn the capabilities of a weapon through the community. The bots also already have many ways to make up for their lack of intelligence. They can still get strong weapons without using paywalled ones. Bots can influence perception of reality. A person who doesn't know they're bots especially could be convinced to buy a weapon they wouldn't otherwise. Changing people's perception of reality seems to be the intention because otherwise why would so many bots have it, and why would they all keep targeting the player? As I said bots already have ways of circumventing their disadvantages and there are already strong items in gear hub available for resources that f2p players can already get.

I call what you said an excuse because that's no good reason to be giving bots all these paywalled items. As I said, they can already make up for it. They can already get strong items that are available in gear hub for resources, especially at mid levels. They don't need paywalled items to have strong equipment.

It really seems like you're trying to push players towards paying because there is no explanation that you can give that even works. If you're not, stop giving bots paywalled items or stop paywalling the items. If you are trying to push people to pay with the bots, freaking stop.

And you keep saying mech arena needs bots because not all regions will have many active players during waking hours, but I think the real reason is messing with players because 1: We keep getting issues cropping up where they are influencing match results frequently and 2: They are using paywalled items all the time.

I was already planning on exposing mech arena as a fake game. This is your last chance to show it's anything other than that. Make a wise decision.

Yup found another topic payrium is afraid of

We are not afraid of anything, but I don't see any sense in repeating what I've already written in several messages above.

I don't see any sense in that either, I would simply repeat my response.

What I'm expecting is the team concedes there's no good reason to have a bunch of bots running around with items that are normally difficult for f2p to get. Do you concede?

While designing the bots, we didn't sort the Content in f2p or p2w. We only had an overall Content and overall game balance.

Seems like your the one not understanding

Firstly if not for the p2w players we wouldn't have a game to play, sure they get annoying but they are vital to keeping a game running

Second when CrystalDrew said "it's a good way to show the players the abilities of the freshly released Weapons so they can decide whether they would like to give them a try or not" they mean that because they are legendary items a player might spend the 7k or so acoins on that weapon not knowing how it plays and they may not like it and have just thrown months of progress down the drain and I have to agree with crystal on that one.

Finally the bots have these items to balance the game as they do not think not react the way a player would In a certain situation, for example when your capping a beacon and the bot walks around the corner only to be immediately destroyed by you, the star ranks are reduced for this reason so that you actually stand a chance, yes it's annoying that they can potentially one shot you but that's exactly what makes the game fun, imagine how boring it would be if you didn't have to be careful about approaching a bot because it's something simple that you can take out with ease, you'd win every battle and it wouldn't be a challenge at all, if you can't beat it then that just sounds like a skill issue honestly.

It would appear that you don't play the game.

I'm facing bots with rank 5-6 Mechs and weapons, my stuff is rank 3 except for an Ember 6 that's rank 4.  This is NOT fun, it's NOT a challenge, it's me getting killed instantly by Revokers, Vipers, Pod guns, Chainguns, Mini guns, Repeaters, etc.

I'm getting SO effing frustrated that I'm about to request a full refund for what I've wasted to date, uninstall the game and blasting the game on social media.  

The bots are OCCASIONALLY stupid, this is true, but the majority of the time they are taking snap shots at me that don't miss and 1 shot me while I'm not even targeting them, despite there being a bigger threat, another bot from my team with rank 5/6 gear already being engaged with them.  

I get it, the bots SHOULD be a challenge but currently they aren't, they are first string major league athletes playing against 6 yr old kids(that's us players) and it's not a challenge, it's frustrating as all hells and NOT fun.  Giving them Uber Mechs and Uber Weapons doesn't incline me to buy, it inclines me to say 'eff this crap' and stop playing.

Just finished reading the back and forth on this!...C.D., your argument is weak! And that an actual player of this game would back up your argument is ridiculous! Of course bots are needed. The rest of sharda2006 response is ridiculous. It would be best for MechArena C.D. if you didn't comment on the pay to win situation. It makes me angry to hear your lame excuses. And no, I am not the most skilled player in the game but I do love it when the algorithm lets me win once in a while. And let's be clear to new players, you can pay all you want and that will not make you win, UNLESS, you fork over the big bucks for mechs and weapons. You pay over 100$ for an imaginary, oops i mean legendary mech, you will be able to kill all the weak mechs you encounter and that's everyone in the game that didn't pay big bucks, we are being punished for not spending enough money.😁