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27 берез. 2023, 13:2727.03.23
05.09.22
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Mech and weapon grade update

Ok, so all my legendaries are buff, but what about my other  mech that I spent thousands of hard earn acoins on? I know other people are complaining about this too. I'm not here to say that the grade update shouldn't have happened, it does make sense that legendaries are actually strong, but I think players need to get some sort huge compensation gift to make up for all the time and money lost on mechs and weapons that are weak now.

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CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
27 берез. 2023, 14:0227.03.23
10.02.23
2944

Hi! The idea of the Update is to make the Mechs more up to their Grades. In this way, the Legendary Mechs feel really Legendary right now compared to ones of other Grades. Nevertheless, those weaker Mechs are still relevant within their Grades and didn't lose their advantages among other non-Legendary Mechs

27 берез. 2023, 18:5927.03.23
27 берез. 2023, 19:11(відредаговано)
20.06.22
384
CrystalDrew

Hi! The idea of the Update is to make the Mechs more up to their Grades. In this way, the Legendary Mechs feel really Legendary right now compared to ones of other Grades. Nevertheless, those weaker Mechs are still relevant within their Grades and didn't lose their advantages among other non-Legendary Mechs

Thanks for missing the point again. I'm going to assume you did so on purpose because we already told you the problem with that statement. "The mechs perform well within their own grade." That's because there's so few mechs within any given grade. And that just means they're not good and can't even be used against the META like you used to be able to before. The mechs are weaker. This means now players have to spend more money and or resources to get and upgrade entirely new mechs to meet the META. Or they have to take all the higher grade mechs out of their hangar and wait they still have to upgrade other weaker mechs to make them on par with the weaker mechs they already upgrade. People don't who spent money and/or resources on them should be compensated. It's a stupic cash grab and if you continue to refuse compensation, you're just screwing players and telling us you don't care.

28 берез. 2023, 00:0628.03.23
04.08.22
28
CrystalDrew

Hi! The idea of the Update is to make the Mechs more up to their Grades. In this way, the Legendary Mechs feel really Legendary right now compared to ones of other Grades. Nevertheless, those weaker Mechs are still relevant within their Grades and didn't lose their advantages among other non-Legendary Mechs

So the common mechs are relevant only when they are up against common mechs etc...That makes a lot of sense since this happens all the time in real matches Lol.

28 берез. 2023, 01:5628.03.23
05.09.22
204
CrystalDrew

Hi! The idea of the Update is to make the Mechs more up to their Grades. In this way, the Legendary Mechs feel really Legendary right now compared to ones of other Grades. Nevertheless, those weaker Mechs are still relevant within their Grades and didn't lose their advantages among other non-Legendary Mechs

So you just buff all the legendary mechs and leave all the other mech we spent money on helpless. Mech that aren't epic or legendary feel like a waste against higher grades. And besides, it doesn't take much work to give people a gift.

28 берез. 2023, 01:5828.03.23
05.09.22
204
BAAB

Thanks for missing the point again. I'm going to assume you did so on purpose because we already told you the problem with that statement. "The mechs perform well within their own grade." That's because there's so few mechs within any given grade. And that just means they're not good and can't even be used against the META like you used to be able to before. The mechs are weaker. This means now players have to spend more money and or resources to get and upgrade entirely new mechs to meet the META. Or they have to take all the higher grade mechs out of their hangar and wait they still have to upgrade other weaker mechs to make them on par with the weaker mechs they already upgrade. People don't who spent money and/or resources on them should be compensated. It's a stupic cash grab and if you continue to refuse compensation, you're just screwing players and telling us you don't care.

Basically, you have to use legendary or you lose. Whats the point of the other mechs once you get to division 1?

28 берез. 2023, 02:0128.03.23
28 берез. 2023, 02:01(відредаговано)
05.09.22
204

I'm not saying they have to make the commons more powerful or something, im just saying give people something to make them happy after being devastated by the update. And I don't mean like 100 acoins or something, that's a pathetic gift


28 берез. 2023, 06:5628.03.23
28 берез. 2023, 06:57(відредаговано)
20.06.22
384
KabiKabi

So you just buff all the legendary mechs and leave all the other mech we spent money on helpless. Mech that aren't epic or legendary feel like a waste against higher grades. And besides, it doesn't take much work to give people a gift.

It's not even like a lot of epic and legendary mechs and weapons weren't already quite epic or legendary. THEY WERE! Most of them at least. It just feels like an excuse to further increase the power gap between different spending categories.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
28 берез. 2023, 07:2228.03.23
28 берез. 2023, 07:25(відредаговано)
10.02.23
2944
BAAB

Thanks for missing the point again. I'm going to assume you did so on purpose because we already told you the problem with that statement. "The mechs perform well within their own grade." That's because there's so few mechs within any given grade. And that just means they're not good and can't even be used against the META like you used to be able to before. The mechs are weaker. This means now players have to spend more money and or resources to get and upgrade entirely new mechs to meet the META. Or they have to take all the higher grade mechs out of their hangar and wait they still have to upgrade other weaker mechs to make them on par with the weaker mechs they already upgrade. People don't who spent money and/or resources on them should be compensated. It's a stupic cash grab and if you continue to refuse compensation, you're just screwing players and telling us you don't care.

As you probably have seen, I have already mentioned on the forum that besides the Grades Update there was a new Matchmaking system implemented. It will work according to your Hangar, so you don't need to have any Mechs of any special Grades to win as you will meet players with more or less the same power (+-1 Grade). KabiKabi, DewayneD4 if you have several Uncommons, Epics, and Legendaries in your Hangar, be ready to meet someone with approximately the same set of Mechs. It's up to the player to choose which Mechs they want to see in their Hangars.

Nevertheless, the Matchmaking system needs more time to calibrate better. The more players play, the more it performs better.

28 берез. 2023, 10:2128.03.23
28 берез. 2023, 10:31(відредаговано)
20.06.22
384
CrystalDrew

As you probably have seen, I have already mentioned on the forum that besides the Grades Update there was a new Matchmaking system implemented. It will work according to your Hangar, so you don't need to have any Mechs of any special Grades to win as you will meet players with more or less the same power (+-1 Grade). KabiKabi, DewayneD4 if you have several Uncommons, Epics, and Legendaries in your Hangar, be ready to meet someone with approximately the same set of Mechs. It's up to the player to choose which Mechs they want to see in their Hangars.

Nevertheless, the Matchmaking system needs more time to calibrate better. The more players play, the more it performs better.

You missed the part wheere I told you that this update has forced players to spend money or resources to have a complete hangar within a given grade. It's not at all ideal to mix in grades more than 1 lower than your strongest because then your strongest mechs are greater losses in a match. And if you lose your strongest mechs while your opponent still has theirs in this scenario you're at a major disadvantage. Hence why I said this update forces players to invest additional money and/or resource. What do you have to say to that?

How about the part where I said most mechs already fit well into their designated grades and it really seems like you're making excuses. What do you have to say to that?

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
28 берез. 2023, 10:3228.03.23
10.02.23
2944
BAAB

You missed the part wheere I told you that this update has forced players to spend money or resources to have a complete hangar within a given grade. It's not at all ideal to mix in grades more than 1 lower than your strongest because then your strongest mechs are greater losses in a match. And if you lose your strongest mechs while your opponent still has theirs in this scenario you're at a major disadvantage. Hence why I said this update forces players to invest additional money and/or resource. What do you have to say to that?

How about the part where I said most mechs already fit well into their designated grades and it really seems like you're making excuses. What do you have to say to that?

It's always up to a player if they want to purchase any premium stuff or not. As I've mentioned above, a Hangar doesn't have to be complete within any Grade and it can be in any state as the Matchmaking system searches opponents according to the Hangar power, not the Grades. If a player wants to have a diverse Hangar, they are welcome.

Besides, the Implant Removal Discount was launched to help players reorganize their Hangars without extra spending.

28 берез. 2023, 11:2028.03.23
28 берез. 2023, 11:25(відредаговано)
20.06.22
384
CrystalDrew

It's always up to a player if they want to purchase any premium stuff or not. As I've mentioned above, a Hangar doesn't have to be complete within any Grade and it can be in any state as the Matchmaking system searches opponents according to the Hangar power, not the Grades. If a player wants to have a diverse Hangar, they are welcome.

Besides, the Implant Removal Discount was launched to help players reorganize their Hangars without extra spending.

No you missed the point again. And once again I feel it's on purpose. I just told you it isn't ideal to have a diversity of grades in your hangar and CC explained why it is. It's spend additional resources and/or money or play sub-optimally.

And this is why when you joined the team I told you when I say there's a problem that I hope you recognize ther's a problem. Because I don't want to sit here arguing with you people who constantly just deny the existence of problems instead of trying to understand how we feel.

And you still glossed over what I said about legendary mechs already feeling legendary and that I feel like you're making excuses, like you know you're making excuses and don't even care.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
28 берез. 2023, 11:3228.03.23
10.02.23
2944
BAAB

No you missed the point again. And once again I feel it's on purpose. I just told you it isn't ideal to have a diversity of grades in your hangar and CC explained why it is. It's spend additional resources and/or money or play sub-optimally.

And this is why when you joined the team I told you when I say there's a problem that I hope you recognize ther's a problem. Because I don't want to sit here arguing with you people who constantly just deny the existence of problems instead of trying to understand how we feel.

And you still glossed over what I said about legendary mechs already feeling legendary and that I feel like you're making excuses, like you know you're making excuses and don't even care.

We see the feedback and understand the reason for the concerns of the players. However, implementing new features always brings difficulties, so the state of this transition is not final yet. 

You say that the gap between Grades right now is much bigger, so that was the idea of the Update. The Legendary Grade must be more powerful and complicated to get as it's Legendary, that's the sense.

28 берез. 2023, 14:5228.03.23
05.09.22
204
CrystalDrew

Hi! Thank you for your feedback, we will consider your and BAAB's thoughts and share them with our team. Talking about me, I constantly play and personally for me, the game process didn't change a lot.




 

Thank you. Your information was very helpful!

29 берез. 2023, 03:0029.03.23
29 берез. 2023, 14:50(відредаговано)
04.08.22
28

This update didn't change much for the players with all legendary stuff. It's the mixed hangars (95%) that suffered.

29 берез. 2023, 05:4429.03.23
29 берез. 2023, 05:46(відредаговано)
20.06.22
384
Lark

As a mid game player I like the new update. Bit annoying I paid couple dollars for stalker who is pointless now but other games introduce far more radical changes where the entire roster is garbage. Panther, guardian, killshot are all still viable at the moment and have been around since day 1? Or certainly early I'm not an original to know if that's true. 

Well killshot and Panther they've been around since launch at the very least. Killshot and Panther are still viable but that's because they got a grade change. I don't know how good guardian still is, but it had already been falling off before the update. Still though the system crash ability has proven invaluable again and again. Especially in energy capacity. And given stalker received a lesser buff than the other rare mechs so it makes sense guardian is better than it now. But I don't like the change still. Why should the best stuff totally outclass the worst? I don't think they should.

29 берез. 2023, 11:3829.03.23
04.08.22
218

Guardian still does well in FFA all things equal and certain CPC maps if using mortars. 

29 берез. 2023, 12:5229.03.23
29 берез. 2023, 12:54(відредаговано)
30.09.22
71

@Community Manager: Listen better. You should not be trying to win an argument. Players are telling you that their experience is worse. Imagine going to any other service company where the customer respectfully gives legitimate criticism of their experience. Any employee who say "Well that's not how I feel about it..." has missed the point.


You also frequently bring up the matchmaking system and how that will improve over time. That does not explain why EVERY single bot opponent has maxed out implants on every pilot. This is the equivalent of HUGE $$ being spent. I do not think that is equalized at all and Plarium has 100% control over things like that, so it is fixable.

30 берез. 2023, 02:2130.03.23
04.08.22
28
Damatree

The changes in the mechs is a little disappointing, tried to max Stalker and now not as useful.  

My biggest peeve is the weapon changes and the bots.

The legendary weapons are TOO good for the most part.  Disc Launchers killing bots in two shots.  Miniguns doing 800k damage for a clip, which can take down my maxed panther in 3 seconds.   Grav Beams killing in 2 seconds.  There is no strategy now, a couple luck shots and you dead.  Add in the Bot issue of then instantly turning on you over teammate bots no matter the distance, and I am getting killed way too fast.  No time to "play" the mech.  

I still cannot believe the Bot issue I mentioned is still a problem, I will be coming around a building, there will be 3 friendly bots already in front engaging an enemy bot and the enemy bot will turn and ignore all and focus on me.  They should not be changing focus like that!  I can understand if I am actively attacking the bot he might turn on me and ignore others but I have not taken one shot and the bot turns and focuses on me.   Now with bots having all legendary weapons with maxed implants/pilots it means instant death.  

I have changed my playstyle from grinder to sniper just to have a chance most games.  The game is loosing its "FUN" appeal.  

I AGREE!! I used to spend $20-$30 a week on Mech Arena but I haven't spent a dime since the update. Why would I? Any money I spend could just be devalued later. It doesn't make sense to level anything but legendary bots and weapons now, maxed rare weapons are no match for 3 star legendary weapons. 

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
30 берез. 2023, 09:3730.03.23
10.02.23
2944
BAAB

You did more than explain reason for concern.


First of all, this thread was not made to highlight the matchmaking. This thread was made to highlight devalued mechs. So you missed the point. And besides, the matchmaking was never good. How am I supposed to believe it's suddenly going to improve after the update?

Second of all by repeatedly trying to explain to me the point of the update and that players can have a diverse array of hangars should they choose, while glossing over important details in the points I made, it really made it feel like you were arguing.

I'm talking about the Matchmaking in the context of the nerfed mechs because if it performs correctly, the Mechs aren't felt changed much due to an average opponent picked up according to your Hangar. So, I mean playing with other nerfed Mechs you won't feel that difference that much, and speaking about my personal experience the game didn't change a lot to me (I have a diverse Hangar consisting of Mechs all Grades up to Epic). Calling play more I emphasize how to help the Matchmaking calibrate better.

Explaining the point of the Update I don't deny its disadvantages and the current problems you are mentioning. On the contrary, I'm collecting your feedback to show and proceed with our team. We do appreciate your enthusiasm and it really helps us to build the picture of the current state of the game and what steps we need to do next to improve it.

30 берез. 2023, 16:5630.03.23
20.06.22
384
CrystalDrew

I'm talking about the Matchmaking in the context of the nerfed mechs because if it performs correctly, the Mechs aren't felt changed much due to an average opponent picked up according to your Hangar. So, I mean playing with other nerfed Mechs you won't feel that difference that much, and speaking about my personal experience the game didn't change a lot to me (I have a diverse Hangar consisting of Mechs all Grades up to Epic). Calling play more I emphasize how to help the Matchmaking calibrate better.

Explaining the point of the Update I don't deny its disadvantages and the current problems you are mentioning. On the contrary, I'm collecting your feedback to show and proceed with our team. We do appreciate your enthusiasm and it really helps us to build the picture of the current state of the game and what steps we need to do next to improve it.

Okay so I hope you understand this but I only need to know how the matchmaking system works once.