Excuse me ......

      " obtain Units in an unfair way  "

     " exploited them to gain significantly more Units "

     "Such actions negatively influence the game balance and are unfair to other players"

Active players, who take their time, play regular, play for a long time, take their time to investigate and understand game mechanics are by your words now CHEATERS ??

Is that how you write about your loyal players who spend a lot of time (and money) to your game and analyzing game mechanics that your developers set as rules!

There is nothing Unfair at using game mechanics for your own benefit. You made those rules in your code! We took time to understand those!

I like an excuse from you to all us of players who you tell are unfair and exploiting the game!!

I also like you to restore infest system as it was.

At this moment, infest only give losses, you gain less then you send!

Also i like to know how these chances influence the banking system!

FAQ:

1. Did you reset my bank again?

- No, we did not. We have never tampered with the bank since the day we first launched the game.

2. So, what shall I do now to get my big reward?

- You can fully defeat Infestations now, always gaining something in return. If you used to leave Infestations almost defeated, you will see that with the new strategy the big payout will come a bit later. The amount of troops won't change too much, and you are guaranteed to receive something from every defeated Infestation.

3. From now on. How should the banking system work ?

- The mechanics of payouts will work as it did before. You will still get big payouts, as you used to receive before.

4. Will my currently yellowed (touched) Infestations be affected?

- No, they won't.

5. Did you change payouts/Infestations strength?

- No, both: the possible size of your payout and the strength of Infestations will remain the same.

I agree with everything Maniakaal said.

I would like to emphasize that in the last 6 infests I did I lost 500k offense power - did one by one with the last one to be lvl50 (the rest between lvl 6 and 85)!!!

I know infests have been a little crazy lately... I was hopping to finish lvl 139 and lvl 140 (they're the one I have left to do)... but with these "changes" I prefer not ot risk...

I sent, once upon a time, a question to Plarium: "Does the infest bank resets after a certain amount of time?" - 'cause I was doing lvl 100+ during a month and then I received 50 plasma cannons as a reward after "spending" 18000000 (18M or 18000k) - LMAO - the answer was: "That is part of the infests algorithm and we can't discuss this with you" - thank YOU!!!!

After all - If you get a big payout - keep it and spend it on other players... 'cause 'till today all in all I always loose everything on infests...

I question the "unfair to other players" bit.  They had the same opportunity to test, learn about, and devise a way to exploit the system that we did.  It's not our fault they didn't figure it out  :P

"You can fully defeat Infestations now, always gaining something in return."  In my experience, you always have a negative net gain when doing infestations.  Of course you do get the champion items, but these are rarely enough to offset your troop losses, and once you have a full set of items winning extra doesn't do you a whole lot of good. 

ex: To upgrade a class 4 legendary item to level 1 costs 15000 parts.  Selling class 4 items for parts gets you 480 parts per item (the rare ones get a bit higher, so figure 550 average) and you can get these from level 70+ infests.  To kill a level 70 infest takes about 1 mil power, so with the 10% tax on infests you get 900k back and the other 100k is lost.  To get enough points to upgrade one item you'd need to sell 27 items.  At 100k lost power per item, this means you'll lose 2.7 million offense or defense power.  And from the item upgrade it increases the boost by 0.5-2%.  Assuming the max, 2%, (this boost is to base power, so the increase in effective power is about 1.72/1.7-1 or 1.1%) in order to make up for the lost troops with the gain from the boost, you would need to have an army of 240 million power. 

For common, uncommon, and rare items the cost is lower, but so is the % boost, so in the end the math works out about the same. 

I am speechless ! ...and believe me it doesn't happen often.

I'll just second Mania.

Wow! This is Ridiculous. Once upon a time players could invest their units into infestations and do infestations for fun and it was a good way to grow your army, but you got back what you put in resource wise. Then Plarium had to go and mess it up for everyone by changing the system and players had to get used to the new way. We figured out how to work within the new system and it worked even though every player had to get used to always having 30 - 40 million resources stuck in their banks permanently!! thats a lot of lost units... lost overnight thanks to Plarium's changes. And now they go and change it again overnight and suddenly instead of having 30-40 I now have over 60 Million resources unaccounted for lost somewhere in Plarium's brilliant changes!!!

Not Happy At All

ALYONA KOLOMIITSEVA: thank you for confirming that plarium has made the already dead game even more slow and armies are for big coiners only, also thank you for apologizing for killing our best infest strategy due to some unfair exploit which the fair players don't need to know.

I think I will be done with this game soon. Any MoR members who are interested to continue playing the game can ask their infest questions here. I only understand that you need to spend a lot of more time and more cash here now. 

Cheers and a best of luck with your infests everyone :) 

the devs has made a mistake with the infest payouts ...there are players (unfair players in the eyes of plarium !!!) who took benefit form this error and what does plarium do...... change the infest again so the so called fair players need to hit more infest te recieve a payout.

thats the otherway around plarium ,you should compensate the so called fair players otherwise the balans in the game is gone.

my question : what is plarium going to do to find the balans back between the smart infest players (unfair players) and those who just hit one infest at the time(fair players) ?

Danny

Danny said:

the devs has made a mistake with the infest payouts ...there are players (unfair players in the eyes of plarium !!!) who took benefit form this error and what does plarium do...... change the infest again so the so called fair players need to hit more infest te recieve a payout.

thats the otherway around plarium ,you should compensate the so called fair players otherwise the balans in the game is gone.

my question : what is plarium going to do to find the balans back between the smart infest players (unfair players) and those who just hit one infest at the time(fair players) ?

Danny

It was possible to get over 70 mil combined offense+defense fairly quickly using this trick, and some people did it on multiple accounts.  Plarium would have to give out a lot of compensation to balance things out lol. 

I think a better solution would be to adjust the infest mechanics so that everybody who does infests makes a small profit, as this would reduce the incentive to exploit the system, and in the long run would make the game more active.  For example, if all infests had a positive rate of return, ranging from 1% for level 1-20 down to 0.05% for levels 120-140, players could grow their armies over time by doing infests.  This system would also prevent the people on higher level infests from gaining too much too quickly, and the growth would be slow enough that people would still spend money.  It would stop the problem of many people losing their entire army on infests and quitting the game. 

Commanders, the new reward system on Infestations is now secure against attempts to obtain Units in an unfair way

compensate al players becouse plarium self made it that this could happen....if there is no compenstation wel whos fair than ...you plarium ?

CK-Prophesy said:

Wipe out ! - so Khalesee , plarium combined I know that I know nothing with I think therefore I am. FAIL, they should Blame it on Boogie or do we have to keep Shout

Note: Listen to the music! 

Didi said:

CK-Prophesy said:

In game of thrones, wolf died. Just as in the book... you know nothing John Snow ,  you know nothing Plarium! 

Siana said:

cD-pSyKik said:

My post did not have any swear word or any thing against the rules, may i know why it got deleted??

sD-pSyKik, 

This will make 2 of us ..or more...:) 

I posted a question which was deleted not even 3 seconds later. 

It must have been a very sensitive subject ! 

I take it as the answer was yes. 

Well, at least at something Plarium was efficient and I say Bravo , well done :P

If they put there efforts into  fixing the problem created by changing the Infests System and say a sweet and nice Sorry to their customers it'll be just brilliant ! We might get to a win win situation.

In my country we have a saying which goes : The wolf is full and the lamb is still alive.   

Oh, one day maybe:) 

Scio me nihil scire . - Socrates

I know that I know nothing.

Lovely taste in music , Sir :)

I love both songs.. especially SHOUT !

Music is powerful weapon. maybe if Plarium doesn't understand what we write here, they'll listen to what we play:) ... and somehow read between the lines..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGnPFplRKNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olzq9DylPAA

ALYONA KOLOMIITSEVA: thank you for confirming that plarium has made the already dead game even more slow and armies are for big coiners only, also thank you for apologizing for killing our best infest strategy due to some unfair exploit which the fair players don't need to know.

I think I will be done with this game soon. Any MoR members who are interested to continue playing the game can ask their infest questions here. I only understand that you need to spend a lot of more time and more cash here now. 

Cheers and a best of luck with your infests everyone :) 

Wipe out ! - so Khalesee , plarium combined I know that I know nothing with I think therefore I am. FAIL, they should Blame it on Boogie or do we have to keep Shout

Didi said:

CK-Prophesy said:

In game of thrones, wolf died. Just as in the book... you know nothing John Snow ,  you know nothing Plarium! 

Siana said:

cD-pSyKik said:

My post did not have any swear word or any thing against the rules, may i know why it got deleted??

sD-pSyKik, 

This will make 2 of us ..or more...:) 

I posted a question which was deleted not even 3 seconds later. 

It must have been a very sensitive subject ! 

I take it as the answer was yes. 

Well, at least at something Plarium was efficient and I say Bravo , well done :P

If they put there efforts into  fixing the problem created by changing the Infests System and say a sweet and nice Sorry to their customers it'll be just brilliant ! We might get to a win win situation.

In my country we have a saying which goes : The wolf is full and the lamb is still alive.   

Oh, one day maybe:) 

Scio me nihil scire . - Socrates

I know that I know nothing.

CK-Prophesy said:

In game of thrones, wolf died. Just as in the book... you know nothing John Snow ,  you know nothing Plarium! 

Siana said:

cD-pSyKik said:

My post did not have any swear word or any thing against the rules, may i know why it got deleted??

sD-pSyKik, 

This will make 2 of us ..or more...:) 

I posted a question which was deleted not even 3 seconds later. 

It must have been a very sensitive subject ! 

I take it as the answer was yes. 

Well, at least at something Plarium was efficient and I say Bravo , well done :P

If they put there efforts into  fixing the problem created by changing the Infests System and say a sweet and nice Sorry to their customers it'll be just brilliant ! We might get to a win win situation.

In my country we have a saying which goes : The wolf is full and the lamb is still alive.   

Oh, one day maybe:) 

Scio me nihil scire . - Socrates

I know that I know nothing.

*Post edited. Please check our Forum Rules 3.15.

Do you understand that Plarium has a product that is targeting a particular consumer market segment? That market segment likes the product based on certain features - these features even though may change at any time. To illustrate the issue here is that you keep point out SOME players. It doesn't need to be there in the communication announcement. It serves no purpose. And here is the reasoning why..

Per TOS, Plarium has the right to change any part of this game at any time. That in itself allows you to modify feature and new strategy has to be created by the Commanders - that is the fun.  

What is not OK and will never be OKAY by anyone that spends time - regardless of money or not - is alienating your customers. The communication was poor. You can illusrtate the changes you have made to the features without even talking about vulnerabilities , expoloits, unfair etc.,

"We have made the following changes : 

x, y z - the reason is to better the infest experience and here is the new way it'll work.... 1 ,2 3, "

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Would you recommend Plarium to your friends? NO!

Would you recommend Plarium to your family? NO!

Would you recommend Plarium to anyone? NO!

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Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys!

The "yellowing" strategy itself is not an exploit! 

And we have never meant to offend our fellow fair players.

There were SOME players, who have found the vulnerability by using the described strategy. There is a certain way how the system should work, how it's designed to work. 

We are really sorry that your favorite strategy is affected by the change. However, this change was inevitable. You can still use it. The only difference now is that you will need to hit more Infestations to receive a payout.

I totally understand your confusion on this matter. You are fair players who really want to know more about the situation. Please ask your questions in this topic, and I will answer as soon as I get back here.

Have a great day, everyone!

Guys!

The "yellowing" strategy itself is not an exploit! 

And we have never meant to offend our fellow fair players.

There were SOME players, who have found the vulnerability by using the described strategy. There is a certain way how the system should work, how it's designed to work. 

We are really sorry that your favorite strategy is affected by the change. However, this change was inevitable. You can still use it. The only difference now is that you will need to hit more Infestations to receive a payout.

I totally understand your confusion on this matter. You are fair players who really want to know more about the situation. Please ask your questions in this topic, and I will answer as soon as I get back here.

Have a great day, everyone!