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Jun 25, 2021, 13:2906/25/21
07/10/14
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Bot League

Server: Dark Plains

League: The Faithful

League is a bot league.

Castle are all named as numbers. They appear on the map at the edge one after another. All the same lvl because they have the same actions performed on them daily.

How something so obvious is not picked up is beyond me. It's not minor botting either, as the league has done 20m in the brawl and finished top 10 in the event. So it's not like it's not "on the radar"

Line of obvious bots being obvious:


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Jun 26, 2021, 00:1806/26/21
Jun 26, 2021, 00:23(edited)
12/22/14
113

That's very funny. 


Jun 26, 2021, 07:0406/26/21
231592

Botting is allowed. Its very popular in pirates where top leagues are botters. Its becoming a problem in Stormfall now. But the player didn't break any rules since multi-account are allowed. 

But this is funny. 



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Jun 27, 2021, 21:3806/27/21
Jun 27, 2021, 21:53(edited)
07/10/14
342

I thought people were allowed alts but botting was against the rules.

Guess I'll have to review the rules again, they have changed a couple of times on this stuff.

Jun 27, 2021, 21:5206/27/21
Jun 27, 2021, 21:54(edited)
07/10/14
342

OK so I read the T&C's again.

There is no specific rule that says "don't bot". Would be useful if a CM would confirm whether botting is in fact against the rules.

Some parts of the T&C's via which they could address this particular situation:

"Plarium reserves the right to refuse any user access to the Service without notice for any reason, including, but not limited to, any violation of the Terms "

- that is the catch all right at the start of the T&C's. They can effectively do what they want.

"decipher, decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer, or otherwise attempt to derive any code or underlying ideas or algorithms of any part of the Service, including any Service available on or through Third-Party Platforms;"

- you can't write the kind of bot being used without breaking this specific rule (the botter has to analyse the comms from the client to the server and then mimic the instructions the client generates to instruct the server directly

"interfere with or disable any security-related features of the Site or Service, or any part thereof, including any Service available on or through any Third-Party Platforms; "

- I don't know for sure but I suspect that bypassing the client is quite likely to by pass some elements of the games security as well. Be interesting if they log in via the log on server or just generate their own token (which certainly would break this rule).

"Plarium reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation of the rules of use or otherwise outside the intent or spirit of these Terms of Use or the Service itself."

- another catch, which means they don't have to write a rule speficially to cover a particular action, it just need to break the spirit of the rules

I think there is enough in the rules to cover banning an industrial scale botter, even if there appears to be no specific anti-bot rule.

Jun 28, 2021, 07:0106/28/21
10/04/13
3875
DJ Moody

OK so I read the T&C's again.

There is no specific rule that says "don't bot". Would be useful if a CM would confirm whether botting is in fact against the rules.

Some parts of the T&C's via which they could address this particular situation:

"Plarium reserves the right to refuse any user access to the Service without notice for any reason, including, but not limited to, any violation of the Terms "

- that is the catch all right at the start of the T&C's. They can effectively do what they want.

"decipher, decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer, or otherwise attempt to derive any code or underlying ideas or algorithms of any part of the Service, including any Service available on or through Third-Party Platforms;"

- you can't write the kind of bot being used without breaking this specific rule (the botter has to analyse the comms from the client to the server and then mimic the instructions the client generates to instruct the server directly

"interfere with or disable any security-related features of the Site or Service, or any part thereof, including any Service available on or through any Third-Party Platforms; "

- I don't know for sure but I suspect that bypassing the client is quite likely to by pass some elements of the games security as well. Be interesting if they log in via the log on server or just generate their own token (which certainly would break this rule).

"Plarium reserves the right to determine what conduct it considers to be in violation of the rules of use or otherwise outside the intent or spirit of these Terms of Use or the Service itself."

- another catch, which means they don't have to write a rule speficially to cover a particular action, it just need to break the spirit of the rules

I think there is enough in the rules to cover banning an industrial scale botter, even if there appears to be no specific anti-bot rule.

Yep, I'm pretty sure this violates the T&C.  Will forward to plarium.  

Jun 30, 2021, 11:2506/30/21
231592

I don't understand the moral basis for this. 

A player is allowed to make multiple account,

Another player is not allowed to make multiple account (Bots)  and win a brawl. Why?

That player might have used numbers as names, but that is what he wants. 

I think he should only be banned if he is selling products, accounts, or cheats. He might be using an artficial method like a software to send intructions to a server. But there is no reason to believe he is harming Plarium. 

 At what level of sophistication does multiple account become illegal. 

Why not just ban all multiple accounts, bots, Alternative accounts, family that don't exist. Lets just have One account for every IP Address. This seems to me like the rules are prejudice against smart players who, because of their dedication, have invested their time and energy in doing things more efficient, like using mouse recorders and softwares.  

Jul 5, 2021, 07:1607/05/21
231592
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That's right, it's against our ToU. But without their coordinates, I won't be able to find them. The best way here would be to report them to our Support team indicating these bots' coordinates. Please use this link to file a report. Thank you!

This leagues are being misrepresented, those players are not bots, but are alts. Alts are allowed. 

This topic seems to be degenerating to a point where players label other players that are better than them as alts. If it is allowed to degenerate any further, then we will have a situation whereby  players post alts of other players/leagues as bots.

But an important issue has been raised, is using a self made, private assistive software that doesn't interfer in anyway with the game codes allowed. The player that DJ posted about was using a mouse recorder to play a bunch of BG's and Champions in multiple account to win a brawl. 

The russian league posted above just did a bunch of BG and raids, perhaps manually and legally without a software. Who is allowed to use assistive softwares? Who is allowed to have multiple accounts?

AlinaCommunity Manager
Jul 6, 2021, 13:5507/06/21
Jul 6, 2021, 13:56(edited)
05/21/19
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DJ Moody

The league is called "The Faithful". It is possible to search the league list by name, and therefore access the complete list of accounts and ban them all in one go.

But to jump through the hoops....

Example castle can be found at -2855, -2359. 

The castles directly above and below it on the map are all all from the same league and are also bots. 

I did raise a support ticket. But I posted it hear because it's a pretty unique situation. No point just banning the single castle I reported. Support person needs to understand entire league is a serious problem and needs dealing with. That is best dealt with by explaining it here. Also we need feedback that is has been dealt with and how (which you don't get from support).

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

Of course, I can search for them. But it's not done this way. As I said, the best thing is to report this league to Support. So, thanks for submitting the ticket. 

P.S. I can't disclose the results of our agents' investigation either. 

AlinaCommunity Manager
Jul 6, 2021, 13:5807/06/21
05/21/19
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Zeriot


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Here you have another league like the one mentioned above. I cannot even spell the name though, but ranking lists are full of them.

Thanks, Zeriot!

DJ Moody did the right thing and submitted a ticket on this matter. I wholeheartedly encourage you to follow his example and contact our Support via this link. It's the best way to report any suspicious leagues you see. Thank you! 

Jul 12, 2021, 00:5307/12/21
10/04/13
3875
DJ Moody

It's just time and effort.

CM has already told us in this thread Plarium make a distinction between bots and alts and bots are not allowed. Master didn't operate "the same" bots over years. They were constantly getting banned and he was starting new ones. So Plarium does take action.

Problem is, it's effectively a constant war for Plarium. They have to look for and constantly ban the botters. It's work. It the botters are really motivated, potentially a lot of hard work. I hope Plarium don't lose that war (and that they actually even trying to fight it).


Yep, they're still getting banned when they get reported.  Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an algorithm running to detect them without player input, so I suspect as long as people are giving the bot owner money they'll continue to be a problem.  

Jul 18, 2021, 20:5407/18/21
05/15/16
70

Bots are here to stay, no MMORPG is without them. I would advise you to report, and make sure they are not inflating certain players. I say this all the time, a merger of server 2 and server 3 (NA) - would drastically make the game come back to life - server 1 is very active. Introduce more events - more frequently, more relics, more units, more resource type events, etc. Every game has to reintroduce and add more feature to the game to make it sustatinable. New gear - new non-loss quests, BG's - etc!!! Plarium hire me =( 

AlinaCommunity Manager
Jul 21, 2021, 13:0207/21/21
05/21/19
3507
AUGUST

Bots are here to stay, no MMORPG is without them. I would advise you to report, and make sure they are not inflating certain players. I say this all the time, a merger of server 2 and server 3 (NA) - would drastically make the game come back to life - server 1 is very active. Introduce more events - more frequently, more relics, more units, more resource type events, etc. Every game has to reintroduce and add more feature to the game to make it sustatinable. New gear - new non-loss quests, BG's - etc!!! Plarium hire me =( 

We do plan to develop the game further. No doubts, we'll add more content 😎

Jul 27, 2021, 03:4507/27/21
07/11/19
7

Both leagues noted in this thread now hold beacons in server 1.

AlinaCommunity Manager
Jul 30, 2021, 12:0607/30/21
05/21/19
3507
Savage

Both leagues noted in this thread now hold beacons in server 1.

I'm afraid it's quite possible if no one has reported them to our Support team, my Lord. As I said before, if you have any suspicions, please tell our agents about them via this link. They'll be able to check the situation and take appropriate measures if needed.

Jul 30, 2021, 17:2907/30/21
07/11/19
7

As per this thread they have been reported.

Its appears nothing has happened.

Meanwhile the game suffers significant lag at the start of the brawl. Given timezone wise that is first thing in the morning US time and middle of the day Eurozone time.... is it reasonable to think that is being driven by real players or due to something else?

Not doing anything about it has many consequences.... not just players "moaning" about something.

Jul 31, 2021, 12:2007/31/21
08/10/16
22

I actually did report the league I mentioned, however, I am not allowed any information regarding the result of my report. Evidently nothing much came of it, for now.

Aug 1, 2021, 11:3508/01/21
07/11/19
7

FYI one of the leagues mentioned in the thread ranking top 10 in the brawl on Server 1 (most active) this week.

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AlinaCommunity Manager
Aug 4, 2021, 10:4108/04/21
05/21/19
3507
Zeriot

I actually did report the league I mentioned, however, I am not allowed any information regarding the result of my report. Evidently nothing much came of it, for now.

Hi! Please let me know your ticket ID. Thanks! 

AlinaCommunity Manager
Aug 4, 2021, 10:4308/04/21
05/21/19
3507
Savage

As per this thread they have been reported.

Its appears nothing has happened.

Meanwhile the game suffers significant lag at the start of the brawl. Given timezone wise that is first thing in the morning US time and middle of the day Eurozone time.... is it reasonable to think that is being driven by real players or due to something else?

Not doing anything about it has many consequences.... not just players "moaning" about something.

If you've reported the leagues above, please let me know your ticker ID. I'll check it. Thanks! 

Aug 5, 2021, 18:5008/05/21
08/10/16
22
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The league can score 30 million points easy. The Russian players is just being nice. 

Again, this league is not a bot league. Its an alt league, run by people. You can report it, but it will never be closed because its not a bot league. 

Scoring 30 million points is fearly easy. Playing champions, you can score 280K points. Without an effort. Doing that in 50 accounts, 15 million points easy. And you don't even have to spend. If the players wants to, he can make another 50 accounts, so he recycle between two groups with each brawl, scoring 15 million points each week for a year. You can use a mouse recorder to switch between accounts, the whole thing can take about 1 hr if you have good internet. 

You score 15 million each week, that is enough to give him 28080 dragans a year. Again he can score this kind of points using level 40 castles. No need to level up to level 130. He has been playing for 2 years, that is about 56K dragons per castle, for 100 castles. 

It becomes even more easier once you use your castles to do rune BG. So those level 80 castle can each have 70-90K dragons. 


So no, he didn't break any rules. The rules doesn't say he can't make 100 alts.. 

You can talk as much as you want, but obviously you are a friend of said "player" and that is kinda saying it all is it not? Why waste my time on trying to explain to you what you already know, when all you want to do is muddle the water.