Lord Sison

as far i know bg mechanics has not been changed so they should work as intended.

sure the bank of ur player was not ready for the payout so my tip is to take a breath for a days and rebank again the small payouts ur player could had received.

sooner or later one bg sure will give the big payout, this one sometimes is hard but sure will pay in the moment it will be ready

Well to further add to what JUGLAR DEL VIENTO said

I will say these could have happened

1. The player have not banked correctly.
   E.g banking low BG and hitting high level( but these should not matter much), or
   not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank.
   
   
2. The player was using a bad method of doing BG,
   E.g all in method above level 50
   defending and offending with wrong unit types
3.  The player immediately tossed his reward back into the bank, these inflated his bank, at a level of up to 15% in bank value per BG. These could have easily happened if she hit a sweetspot BG and did many BG immediately after. thus losing his sweetspot rewards(by banking it back) and accumulating more indues fees as she does more BG  

If you are using the banking method remember, every BG has its separate bank value. And if you need rewards, you need to pay each each BG what is due. Think of a BG as a ATM, and not a slot machine, every time you  make a withdrawal the bank charges you fees of up to 15%. So if you withdraw from 10 ATM, you will be have to pay back 10 times 15% back, in every resources you gain back. These is the foundation of the banking method, and many people don't get it. To maximize your reward, make sure that every time you withdraw from your ATM when your are in a sweetspot region. To minimize your rewards, withdraw only when the balance you can get back from your ATM is higher than that of your highest ATM( e.g ''yellowing/banking the highest level BG). These method is faulty, if you hit zero, then, you are likely to try somewhere else( going back to 3).

These is the best explanation I  can make from what was explained to me, when I encountered similar a problem. 

Official statement from Plarium 

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature, but here’s the basic outline: every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. When you get payout from a [Prize], the spread, number, and type of Units or Resources you receive are randomly allocated as measured in resources based on that total.

The longer you go without receiving a payout, the higher your Payout Number total is becoming and the bigger your eventual reward will be (that's if you continue to bank). Now, there are also some randomized triggers when running this calculation – first, it does a “spin” to see if this infestation will pay out this time, or just keep adding to your Payout Number. Depending on how this spin goes, it’s possible to go extremely long periods without getting a payout (even though your Payout Number is still growing over time). This is especially true if you've received big payouts on higher-level [Prizes] and then go back to hitting low-level ones.

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

The biggest misconception is that regular [prizes] each have their own discrete payout amount. I know it often seems like we’re laughing maniacally to ourselves as we change each [Prize] Level’s payouts every week to confound everyone – this isn't true. It doesn't work that way.

The payouts are based on your collective Payout Number; the last time you triggered a payout, and how many Unit losses you've suffered in the meantime. Treat it like Black Jack; play with a long view, don’t bet everything you have, and quit when you’re ahead. It can be frustrating, but senior players have experimented with different strategies and gotten pretty good results. Ask around, but be prepared to lose a lot of troops to get there – don’t commit anything you’re not ready or able to lose without being hamstrung.

Some advice: take advantage of Global Mission events to “double dip” on your investment. Also don’t forget to include the XP, and Ranking Points, ranking awards, Achievement Bonuses, and other freebies you’re getting from taking on the Infestations.

Also, if you want a sure bet, don’t forget about the Campaign [Prizes]. Each one of these has a fixed payout in [Brethren] units that you can view before deciding whether or not to run the mission – plus they all have a pretty cool storyline and audio content, but the higher ones get really, really tough.

In the coming months we’re planning to experiment with the payout frequency algorithm to make it a little less discouraging from the player end, so standby for future announcements.

thanks you guys all, you covered me ,if it is a visible bug we should report to plarium,i sent letter to djmoody to take his opinion about it and i will report it,guys if you see bugs report it to plarium, what else we can do? as djmoody say we must always have evidence,the resource tracking log or something but she doesnt have such a thing

as i said i dont like talk on befalf of another player,but she is by far the best player and have helped our team much ,all gators know it,so i wanted to help me, my team and her

thanks all for your response if it is bug will report it to plarium will expect to hear dj moody opinion from the letter and will see if worth

thanks all !

i cant say personally guys if it is bug or not,as far as i dont have enough hints i cant say something,

it also is nt my problem ,talking on behalf of  my teamate without having enough information is something pointless report what?

it is responsibility of every player to report what he/she observe in the game,thats the ideal person to do it,in this case she not me ,also as oracle say bring clear evidence if you claim you observed a bugs

unfortunately i dont see players work in this ways and i cant do a job of someone else ,i am not the right person i try but it is wrong in my opinion,just do it cause i trust some of my teamates but it is wrong working on behalf of other people(only the person who observe the bug should try it )

sison said:

i cant say personally guys if it is bug or not,as far as i dont have enough hints i cant say something,

it also is nt my problem ,talking on behalf of  my teamate without having enough information is something pointless report what?

it is responsibility of every player to report what he/she observe in the game,thats the ideal person to do it,in this case she not me ,also as oracle say bring clear evidence if you claim you observed a bugs

unfortunately i dont see players work in this ways and i cant do a job of someone else ,i am not the right person i try but it is wrong in my opinion,just do it cause i trust some of my teamates but it is wrong working on behalf of other people(only the person who observe the bug should try it )

anyway guys thanks :)

As it is now, we can’t tell what happened. If the player provided you with how he played BG that day, and what happened during the time he noticed something to be wrong, that can help alot.

How does he/she interact with BG? Why she thinks something is off? Asking her these kind of question will help us identify what might have went wrong, rather than blaming Plarium without proof

whether it is a bug or intended, there are times when a player absolutely cannot get a "payout" on levels that should be filled.  a player may go 2 years without this happening to them and thinking that the players that it has happened to are just lousy players.  then it happens to them, and they are like omg did bgs get changed.

whether bgs is constantly changed which plarium denies, or if it something at least 1 1/2 years old that can happen or not happen to anyone, idk.

i doubt that it is random, but it appears random, there must be a trigger.  and getting a jackpot, higher than usual, even tho designed that way will cause there to be hell to pay.  this hell is not worth the xtra jackpot, imo.

players like lordmark have complained about not getting their scheduled payout happening to them, then they throw more troops at it than i make in a month, eventually they get a payout and thank plarium for it.  this confuses.  did lordmark get back paid in full, or is he happy to get partial payment back.  others have lost 100m resources that they are likely never to recover.

when a player begins bgs, they are superman, gaining more troops back then they lose, then a switch gets flipped around  lvl 6,7 or 24 hrs and you get the 25% losses back and the jackpot system starts.  there are switches in this game.

i ran into the situation twice 1 1/2 years ago and again when i started doing bgs again for a month, how players go 2 years without running into it, i do not know.

under normal function, bgs is a resource sink, at least for non-elite players, and then you can run into the situation, whatever it is, a bug or programmed design.

this is my tutorial on playing bgs.

whether it is a bug or intended, there are times when a player absolutely cannot get a "payout" on levels that should be filled.  a player may go 2 years without this happening to them and thinking that the players that it has happened to are just lousy players.  then it happens to them, and they are like omg did bgs get changed.

whether bgs is constantly changed which plarium denies, or if it something at least 1 1/2 years old that can happen or not happen to anyone, idk.

i doubt that it is random, but it appears random, there must be a trigger.  and getting a jackpot, higher than usual, even tho designed that way will cause there to be hell to pay.  this hell is not worth the xtra jackpot, imo.

players like lordmark have complained about not getting their scheduled payout happening to them, then they throw more troops at it than i make in a month, eventually they get a payout and thank plarium for it.  this confuses.  did lordmark get back paid in full, or is he happy to get partial payment back.  others have lost 100m resources that they are likely never to recover.

when a player begins bgs, they are superman, gaining more troops back then they lose, then a switch gets flipped around  lvl 6,7 or 24 hrs and you get the 25% losses back and the jackpot system starts.  there are switches in this game.

i ran into the situation twice 1 1/2 years ago and again when i started doing bgs again for a month, how players go 2 years without running into it, i do not know.

under normal function, bgs is a resource sink, at least for non-elite players, and then you can run into the situation, whatever it is, a bug or programmed design.

this is my tutorial on playing bgs.

DON"T

I can state one thing that is an absolute fact about BG

If you send in a ticket you will get a response sayig something like this.

the BG are constantly being monitored and deemed working and as such this ticket will not be investigated.

Other than that they are a slot machine which keeps you playing at the hope you will get a return.

Oracle said:

djmoody said:

Those are two completely contradictory statements.....

Are people to immediately stop or to try and reproduce the bug? 

Seeing as Plarium are not willing to admit there is a problem despite being given a perfect BG log that makes it obvious and clear, I would highly recommend NOT trying to re-create the bug as you will lose twice as much which you will never get compensated for.

Several experienced players (myself included) have offered to test BG's on accounts provided by Plarium on a live server. I have a potential theory about why it happens. Would be great to be able to test that. Clearly not going to do that on a real account and lose all that person's troops.

Unfortunately, Plarium’s terms of use together with international laws governing gaming doesn’t allow Plarium to authorise such testing. Plarium is not allowed to play let alone authorise someone to play on servers that players play on. The reason being that such act will compromise the stability and balance of the game.

I am willing to help you, in whatever ways possible, getting to the bottom of the mystery behind BG’s. But I can’t do that until I see factual evidence that BG are bugged, especially when played correctly, which Jumy has proved from the logs that they are not.

Now i know you have stated (in this or another thread), that absolutely the BG's are NOT bugged.

But now you are agreeing with Jumy that there is bug??? but you do not have factual evidence of what exactly it is???

I'm gonna see about some sort of forum message block,,, your posts tend to give me a headache.

djmoody said:

Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

If you take the ''tax hypothesis'' and ''spilt reward'' mechanism into consideration, you might see that there are ways of playing BG wrong. The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not. By the look of complaints, I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too. Especially because you refuse to tell how you play BG, there is no way of telling which way is wrong( as any other mechanics has been squandered. 

You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' and further more, you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 

BGs have some serious issues. added a lot more than just interest and guess what, got out empty handed. same thing happens to league mate today. And i might say im no expert on BGs but i do very good math, and mate is expert on BGs and got the same result as i did. Bgs have issue. and there should be clear and visible pot in eagles nest so people can actually see whats going on insted of having spreadsheets with calculators installed. So if Plarium has enough resources to develop more and more things for the game its unbelievable that they don't have resources to build a small ( big ) help for players that enjoy doing BGs. So please Plarium do a miracle and create some kind of tool for players that spend money and time on this nice game. 

roadstar Pitbull said:

But you sure do make it easy....when you heed your own advice "constructive, logical" posts i can stop also.

Have you not noticed, when your posts are  "constructive, logical", i do tend to stay away....

Thanks for admitting to these. 

Oracle said:

Well to further add to what JUGLAR DEL VIENTO said

I will say these could have happened

1. The player have not banked correctly.
   E.g banking low BG and hitting high level( but these should not matter much), or
   not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank.
   
   
2. The player was using a bad method of doing BG,
   E.g all in method above level 50
   defending and offending with wrong unit types
3.  The player immediately tossed his reward back into the bank, these inflated his bank, at a level of up to 15% in bank value per BG. These could have easily happened if she hit a sweetspot BG and did many BG immediately after. thus losing his sweetspot rewards(by banking it back) and accumulating more indues fees as she does more BG  

If you are using the banking method remember, every BG has its separate bank value. And if you need rewards, you need to pay each each BG what is due. Think of a BG as a ATM, and not a slot machine, every time you  make a withdrawal the bank charges you fees of up to 15%. So if you withdraw from 10 ATM, you will be have to pay back 10 times 15% back, in every resources you gain back. These is the foundation of the banking method, and many people don't get it. To maximize your reward, make sure that every time you withdraw from your ATM when your are in a sweetspot region. To minimize your rewards, withdraw only when the balance you can get back from your ATM is higher than that of your highest ATM( e.g ''yellowing/banking the highest level BG). These method is faulty, if you hit zero, then, you are likely to try somewhere else( going back to 3).

These is the best explanation I  can make from what was explained to me, when I encountered similar a problem. 

 

Official statement from Plarium 

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature, but here’s the basic outline: every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. When you get payout from a [Prize], the spread, number, and type of Units or Resources you receive are randomly allocated as measured in resources based on that total.

The longer you go without receiving a payout, the higher your Payout Number total is becoming and the bigger your eventual reward will be (that's if you continue to bank). Now, there are also some randomized triggers when running this calculation – first, it does a “spin” to see if this infestation will pay out this time, or just keep adding to your Payout Number. Depending on how this spin goes, it’s possible to go extremely long periods without getting a payout (even though your Payout Number is still growing over time). This is especially true if you've received big payouts on higher-level [Prizes] and then go back to hitting low-level ones.

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

The biggest misconception is that regular [prizes] each have their own discrete payout amount. I know it often seems like we’re laughing maniacally to ourselves as we change each [Prize] Level’s payouts every week to confound everyone – this isn't true. It doesn't work that way.

The payouts are based on your collective Payout Number; the last time you triggered a payout, and how many Unit losses you've suffered in the meantime. Treat it like Black Jack; play with a long view, don’t bet everything you have, and quit when you’re ahead. It can be frustrating, but senior players have experimented with different strategies and gotten pretty good results. Ask around, but be prepared to lose a lot of troops to get there – don’t commit anything you’re not ready or able to lose without being hamstrung.

Some advice: take advantage of Global Mission events to “double dip” on your investment. Also don’t forget to include the XP, and Ranking Points, ranking awards, Achievement Bonuses, and other freebies you’re getting from taking on the Infestations.

Also, if you want a sure bet, don’t forget about the Campaign [Prizes]. Each one of these has a fixed payout in [Brethren] units that you can view before deciding whether or not to run the mission – plus they all have a pretty cool storyline and audio content, but the higher ones get really, really tough.

In the coming months we’re planning to experiment with the payout frequency algorithm to make it a little less discouraging from the player end, so standby for future announcements.

As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say: 

     "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank."  that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

     "  all in method above level 50  defending and offending with wrong unit types "  that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....

Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation... 

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ? 

Octavian said

As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say:

      "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank." that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

The 25 % comes from the percentage of extra resources you have to put back into the back from your previous bank pay out.  . So lets say I have earned a pay of 5 graffin, here these website calculate my pay back.

As you can see these website calculate the extra pay back percentage as 5 %, some  as 10% some as 15%. But I get better result when using 25%.  

    " all in method above level 50 defending and offending with wrong unit types " that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....

And all in method, is when a player use all his troops to do BG. These is a bad idea especially above level 50 because it will be difficult to calculate your back, and the losses are tremendous above  level 50.

 I personally have a BG squad, and use it to do BG below level 50. My BG is about 25% occult+ beast and 75% infantry and cavalry. Because my Bg are lower than level 55( I am planning to take them to 65, and achieve the final tier. I take a screenshot of my squad, and do the all in method for all O BG requiring cavalry and infantry. After each BG I toss my gains back into the catamp and continue untill I hit a level 49.When I am done I go to screenshot and subtract how many units I have lost from my BG squad. These will be what I have banked. I then go to my excell unit counter and substract my ''gains'' or reward( those units I gained from BG and sent to the catamp. These will be what I owe back so far. Then I go to the dreaded log and just expand it. adding a day.

 Gain resources pain resources, calculate owe +25% 

sorry about the foreign language, in the screenshot.

Excel has customize-able gaming theme spreadsheet, which is easy to manipulate into your gamings needs. You can include pages, and sub pages. For example stormfall I have league stuff( sub pages intel,units counter ect) BG(sub pages spreadsheet, jackpot tracking dates ect) ect units ect Eve ( Quit) Warcraft( Jobs(ect), LoL, ect  

Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation...

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

Well, could be me who is confused, but read my question again and read my nicely request for a stright answer. You dont give me an answer, you just posted another explanation for your previous posts, from where i dont try to substract an answer, because i use my own way to do BG, and as i say , the "oficial plarium statement" say it isn't any fee on those payouts....

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

Oracle said:

OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

Sory, but what you caled a clue is not a clue: higher payout frequency means you can get a payout more often , or if you want i can google for exactly definition. And yes, i already had that kinfd of superbonus that worth more than my total investement. But still they dont sayd nothing about a fee, witch you leave it to understand it is, on the contrary, they sayd ,  and i quote " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. ". 

So if you can't provide a correct and verified information, please refrain to do alegation on the subject. I am sure that most of the players search for help in forums thread , not for your personal opinion.

I will tell you the secret. There is a super bonus/jack pot or how you call it. Without paying fees - 15, 25%, just killing and taking back your reward again and again you can trigger it and hit a jackpot, winning like 30% more than you have put in bgs. That means you can gain from bgs, not lose. It happens rarely, but thats how I raised my 500k off to 20m in a month just doing bgs and building pathfinders. :)

Same mechanics in sparta. I mean, no mechanics. BGS is a lottery or you can call it a trade market. You can trade your shit for better tier units with a small chance of triggering that trade. On 60 level account in sparta I went from 50 to 140 lvl in persian positions. Same in stormfall, from 60 to 130 lvl bgs and only 75 lvl in game. Just huge gains, 1m def to 20m def in a week and so on. Gamble, gamble, gamble all your army, trigger it, raise it. 

All that maths, sheets, etc., its just all pointless. Bgs "experts" its all just a myth. You guys do it with expectations, "I expect to get a reward when I put enough resources", and sometimes balur spits in your face. Its not because its working not as intended, its because you think you know how it works, but in the end you know nothing, you just have your own theory about it. So with your theory, you can't come and tell plarium there's a bug, its not working etc., because plarium never told you and will never tell how exactly bgs work. Game will lose its curiosity if they told us all the secrets, you can't call it a game then. Have fun, and remember, you will regain your army sooner or later in bgs or might trigger it, just patience. If you wanna do it quick, just keep killing low bgs or finishing off yellowed bgs, you will gather enough units or all your units to try again.

Oracle said:

Octavian said

As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say:

      "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank." that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

The 25 % comes from the percentage of extra resources you have to put back into the back from your previous bank pay out.  . So lets say I have earned a pay of 5 graffin, here these website calculate my pay back.

As you can see these website calculate the extra pay back percentage as 5 %, some  as 10% some as 15%. But I get better result when using 25%.  

    " all in method above level 50 defending and offending with wrong unit types " that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....

And all in method, is when a player use all his troops to do BG. These is a bad idea especially above level 50 because it will be difficult to calculate your back, and the losses are tremendous above  level 50.

 I personally have a BG squad, and use it to do BG below level 50. My BG is about 25% occult+ beast and 75% infantry and cavalry. Because my Bg are lower than level 55( I am planning to take them to 65, and achieve the final tier. I take a screenshot of my squad, and do the all in method for all O BG requiring cavalry and infantry. After each BG I toss my gains back into the catamp and continue untill I hit a level 49.When I am done I go to screenshot and subtract how many units I have lost from my BG squad. These will be what I have banked. I then go to my excell unit counter and substract my ''gains'' or reward( those units I gained from BG and sent to the catamp. These will be what I owe back so far. Then I go to the dreaded log and just expand it. adding a day.

 Gain resources pain resources, calculate owe +25% 

sorry about the foreign language, in the screenshot.

Excel has customize-able gaming theme spreadsheet, which is easy to manipulate into your gamings needs. You can include pages, and sub pages. For example stormfall I have league stuff( sub pages intel,units counter ect) BG(sub pages spreadsheet, jackpot tracking dates ect) ect units ect Eve ( Quit) Warcraft( Jobs(ect), LoL, ect  

Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation...

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

I wish you good luck on the guide and cant wait to see it!

need any help feel free 2 pm me or if want to know how I do BG's

djmoody said:

Oracle said:

You're are very sensitive. I haven't slandered you, Nor am I actively attacking you. I don't want to become your enemy. I wish we could have better understanding with each other. I don't know how is stating your actions which are publicly known is slander. 

How can it be hard to understand. 

You made up a statement about me that isn't true. Not only isn't it true it's THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of the truth. 

And you did it because I asked you to back up a statement you made. A statement I knew wasn't true and deserved to be called out (btw Jumy has PM'ed me to say he never said what you claimed). So you decided to get personal and spread lies about me, rather than address the points made. 

I don't come here to be trolled. I certainly don't come here to be trolled by a moderator.

These are the other threads where you did EXACTLY the same. Made up stuff up about me to try and discredit me and hurt my reputation, rather than just discussing the issue. It's just not right. Shouldn't have to put up with it over and over again

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/leagues/34054_balur-s-shield/

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/36640_bg--bare-assertion-fallacy/

can you guys call a truce or get a room... 

as for the threads that I seen you in about BG's you claim to know a "miracle" way to get free troops but with no evidence/explanation so your even worse than Oracle in some ways.

lets all get along and try to be nice to one another

as my friend vash once said "Love&Peace"