Zsolt Antal said:

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

imperial troops have no value on pp,find me on map and i'll send you persian calculator,you can read there how to play :)

an week ago  i lost 170 macedons ..220  agemas ..50 imperial  promo .. 70 promochoes ..40 imperials  ..plus  others ... to get 152 macedonians

 an the last payout after that    in the last week was 240 promochoes and 40 peltast  and of course i lost    a lot more troups till  receiving this rewards ..like i said in the first message ...   i'm building non stop and also spent a lot of drachmas to revive army ... over 20 k drachmas :((( 

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

Zsolt Antal said:

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

they are in bank,so dont worry,you will get them as payout,but you need to learn how to play persians first,here is few basic rules:

1.persian position system is based on resources value(counts how much resources needed to build troops you loose on pp,timber+bronze+grain)

2.i dont use troops which are not build with resources,because they dont fill the bank(champion troops,heroes are not build with resources,dont send them on pp at all)

3.imperial troops also are not build with resources,i dont use imperial troops for pp at all

how to play pp:

1.first send 1 sword for off positions or 1 jav for def positions,just to see which persians are there

2.click on persian troop from report which dominate in that position,to see what are they weak off,if asvaran dominate,it is position for our phalanax,if immortal dominate,its for our horses,if you send wrong troops you gonna need much more horses against asvaran then phalanax,proms or saris,same for def positions,phalanax are for against persian horses,and our horses are for against immortals

3.when you get some big payout,like 1000 agema,for next payout first you need to loose value of 1000 agema+20% intersest for bank,so its 1200 agema,and then you can get new big payout

4.you can hit 10 or more positions,until your bank is full,you wont get big payout,only partial payout

5.you cant get full payout from top positions,then 1 under top position

i play 1 bar system,i send troops to die on positions,but i dont finish positions,i leave 1 or few persians alive there,until my bank is full+20% interest,then i go for payout,when i get big payout,i finish all other 1 bar positions and get more troops,but to play 1 bar system you must have a lot troops you can loose,you must be patient and build troops for a long time,or to put money in game and buy troops or revive(that is what plarium wants,to make profit).if you play from 1 hit,you can easy loose all troops and after you dont have enough troops to play any position,and you will delete your account^^

i argue with cm and moderators long time here on forum,and i was banned many times,and i decided not to participate so much on forum,because moderators make me angry,but i want to help you to get your troops back,and to learn how to play persians

i will send you my email by msg,you send only "hello" on my mail and i will send you persian calculator,it works with excel,there you can read info and to learn how to use calculator and how to play pp,most important is to track what did you loose on pp,so you know where are you with your bank,bank=your last big payout(counted in resources value,you will understand all when you get persian calculator from me)

my advice is:

1.send 1 sword on top off position,on 1 under top position,and see which troops you need to build,then first send 20 phalanax or horses to see how much they gonna kill,then send few times more,until only few persians survive,then do same thing on other position,1 under top position,when you burn(kill almost all persians but not to finish position)top position and 1 under top position,with all you'v already lost on pp,what you said on your post,it should be enough so your bank is full,then finish that position under top lvl which you already almost finished,if you dont get big payout,then use those troops you got as partial payout and send them to die on new position under that,or better on 2 positions,you will get full payout,and you will get your troops back,but there are no imperial troops as payout,that is 1 reason more why i dont use them for pp^^

you can burn positions with lights and heavy's,but you will need much more troops and they have smaller value 

when you get big payout,take a screenshot of report and save it on hdd,so you know what is your bank for next time you play persians

ps never go for payout on top position,after you get big payout,then finish top position if you burned it before

all in all,pp is all about resources value,you need to invest first your last big payout+20% bank interest and you get big reward after,only resources value is important,elixiers,general stuff,10,20,50% power boosters are not helping,because you will only kill more persians,and spend money,but you wont get big payout until your bank is full+interest,thats why i turn off all elixiers,all general stuff when i burn troops

english is not my language,i hope you understand what i want to explain to you,when you read info in calculator,you wont need any help from anyone,i hope i helped you

missy Alyona,since this is my 666th post,the number of the beast,maybe i am now evil enough and qualified to came on your dark side^^

Tonaya 

key word   probability      ...  what happened that i lost a lot of  troups , time , money ..etc 

Zsolt Antal said:

my level it's 58  ...big mistake for me .... one day   one month ago  i was lossing a lot of troups and got higher and higher in level  .. that day i done all  the attack positions available  so it was the only  chamce to get something back... wanted to get an payout ... so i reached at 58  at at that moment all my army was decimate  ..had to  boughtg a lot of army to finish the level  57 position  ..and to get some payout ..to have    army to play

That's a big mistake. Your highest level will never give you a full payout. Your second highest is the key.

my level it's 58  ...big mistake for me .... one day   one month ago  i was lossing a lot of troups and got higher and higher in level  .. that day i done all  the attack positions available  so it was the only  chamce to get something back... wanted to get an payout ... so i reached at 58  at at that moment all my army was decimate  ..had to  boughtg a lot of army to finish the level  57 position  ..and to get some payout ..to have    army to play

 the next weeks i rebuilded my army  ..investing  money ...till i thought to  get another chance .... and  then  happened what i wrote above about  losing 1 miliion  attack to get those macedons  ( was in almost the same  place ) .. i wrote here about what happened to me  and the guys told me that will get another payout ..to be patinece to rebuild..... of course i spent more money to revive and have troups to play ...

in the last days after that or so stopped on level below 35 ..but of course i have  a few position available...  on defense my lowest for  over three week it's an level 28 ...and on attack ... today my lowest was level 10 ...and a had like  2 position below 20 ...and another three below 27 for attack ... wich i done ..and like i said i  lost  almost all attack i went in was destroyed ...now i have two  level 28 and 32 and higher available...but all my light infantary ..build in the last days ..plus what i had extra   where destroyed ..and  if  i'm going up ..with my luck ...all i had it will be destroyed again :( 

So in the last month ... i spent  60-70 dollars .. and almost all the drachmas i get from those  purchases ..went to revive troups ... i'm also done good on all the tournaments and didn't  get destroyed one time  .. but those rigged persians   ..are takind all the fun for playing :( 

 Something needs to change with this  positions .. a lot of people are unhappy :(  ..and like i told you  ..me one i think it's tigged only to make to put more money in the game ... but at one momement i will  quit playing ..it's  not  okey ... to lose  all you invest only in one rigged thing .. :(

Zsolt Antal said:

an week ago  i lost 170 macedons ..220  agemas ..50 imperial  promo .. 70 promochoes ..40 imperials  ..plus  others ... to get 152 macedonians

 an the last payout after that    in the last week was 240 promochoes and 40 peltast  and of course i lost    a lot more troups till  receiving this rewards ..like i said in the first message ...   i'm building non stop and also spent a lot of drachmas to revive army ... over 20 k drachmas :((( 

who thinks  that  this  okey ??? 
 it's rigged :( 

Have you ever got a real payout?

When did you start playing positions?

And what is your highest position level at the moment?

Have you read any relevant post/article about PP?

Zsolt Antal said:

today went doing three positions with 60 k attack ..after  the battles i was left with 10 k  offense ... and now has only 28 and higher positions available .. and like i  already told you guys above  also yesterday i lost troups ...  and i still don't  get those high rewards after i lost 1 milion attack a week ago ..rigged 

When was the last time you got a decent payout and what level was it?

Did you calculate how many resources your payout was?

After that did you keep track of the resources you invested in PP?

It doesn't matter how much offense you have spent but how many resources you have invested in the bank! 

It's not necessary to revive troops with drachmas. It's cheaper to build more with ordinary resources even if it takes longer. I don't know whether big coiners receive more payouts on positions. If they do it may be just that they have paid for more troops and so can play more positions giving them a bigger probability that one or more positions will give a good payout. You can also build a bigger army by playing positions less often and waiting till you build up enough troops to play a lot of positions.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Eroica said:

It's not necessary to revive troops with drachmas. It's cheaper to build more with ordinary resources even if it takes longer. I don't know whether big coiners receive more payouts on positions. If they do it may be just that they have paid for more troops and so can play more positions giving them a bigger probability that one or more positions will give a good payout. You can also build a bigger army by playing positions less often and waiting till you build up enough troops to play a lot of positions.

Sounds like a good strategy!

Sound like lack of understanding what is going on. :) 

When you are playing more often, at least you have a chance to earn some prizes. You will never build enough troops, unless you are a coiner.  Those who want to play safe, should not do PP at all. The most crashing would be to build an army for years and lose it in instant, especially because of being inexperienced. And how can you become experienced, playing one-2 times a year?  

For example some say imperial units don't count while others say they do count.

But no one has proved that they don't count or that they do count indeed. 

As it has been said so many times PP are an optional feature of the game.

If you think that you will sustain severe loses then don't play for your own good.

There are guides for PP, there are also experienced players who can help you understand the system and there are pages explaining how PP system workds.

If you want to play then I suggest you learn a few things so you can understand how this whole feature works.

Nothing is certain since those are advice shared from players to players and they are not confirmed by Plarium.

For example some say imperial units don't count while others say they do count.

But no one has proved that they don't count or that they do count indeed. 

VodkaRedBull said:

Zsolt Antal said:

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :( 

dont use imperials !

to late to not do that ... after almost all youre army it's destroyed and u only have level 45  and higher  position available ..and lost the other troups till then   .. i went all in :))  

Dracos said:

knigochey said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

knigochey said:

Sound like lack of understanding what is going on. :) 

When you are playing more often, at least you have a chance to earn some prizes. You will never build enough troops, unless you are a coiner.  Those who want to play safe, should not do PP at all. The most crashing would be to build an army for years and lose it in instant, especially because of being inexperienced. And how can you become experienced, playing one-2 times a year?  

You mostly build Infantry, right? But they consume more, and not always effective against stronger Units. So why not send them to PPs from time to time to get some Phalanx or Cavalry?

you have to build everything you are able to. Moreover, for PP you need pikes and Golden Shields, but for good PVP, you need javs and swords. That means your barracks work for PP only halftime. Thus, without spending tons of gold, you can only build enough infantry in 6 months to hit 2-3 top positions. That is why you spend everything, any conventional units but those you reserve for raiding as you need to hit many hundreds positions. That is how you participate in tournaments and collect pieces  

You can build carthage cav and golden shields to give your barracks free space for pvp by building swords and javs

Then you have even fewer Infantry for PP. I was arguing that we cannot do PP only by infantry. You suggestion reduces the infantry use even more. You do not address my point. 

My suggestion is a solution to your need for PVP and PP. Using carthage cav and golden shields fills bank more than pikes do thus granting a bigger payout. You need to look at PP by resource to power point ratio not simply unit types. Doing what I said gives you more to fill the bank and the needed light infantry for PVP. 

I'm  the only one wich thinks that those positions are rigged  that us  normal players to invest  more and more money  ?  

After i lost 120 agema  ,200 macedonians  ,250 imperial prom , 60 imperial horsmen  ..and a lot of other offensive troups i only recived like half i lost in the next days ..and had to spend  drachmas to revive my army  :(