Still no reply from any of the moderators. I hope the enigma caused heads to spin not roll. I will make the case more difficult for you to have an answer that is based on the figment of your imagination. Check out the link. It happened after i knocked out a level 109 position ( 3rd link above). 

https://i.gyazo.com/1757743b4b7d6721a5b9c8f933075b35.png

tonaya, 

I play on Plarium.com.  

I am sure the information I posted is correct.  I had been concerned with the conditions that allowed the payout/payback status to flip.  I have confirmed that once it is set for a payout it WILL NOT revert to the payback mode before a "jackpot" is awarded (AND the debt situation is reversed) but this can happen with a single battle and a small-medium reward.  This will confuse players hunting for a bigger reward and not realizing that they already received their reward and went back into a modest debt situation.

We are all creatures of habit so once you establish the wrong reward pattern you are likely to repeat it multiple times, adding more confusion to your perception of the PP mechanism.  Some of the apparently arbitrary PP "rules" stem from this, for example the "rule" that you always need to hit positions in an incremental order.

Some incorrect PP "rules":

Letting positions "rest" after a big reward - NOT NECESSARY -  I score 2-3 big rewards per week and finish the week with 3-4 Million PP points.  Leading PP players score 50-100 Million per week which indicates they score 30 big rewards per week or about 4-5 per day.  They obviously don't let positions "rest" between award runs why should you need to?.

Any finding regarding PP "reward rounds" and "super-bonus positions".  I have not found payouts changing based on clock or tournament status.

The reward does not "grow" if you eliminate your debt and get a positive balance on PP.  All rewards are only based on the type and level of position you hit.

Mikalosos said:

jolila said:

I have one question on your playing style Mikaloslos, Don't you run out of position levels to hit after a payout?

 My assumption here is that all your levels from 21 up is on one bar. levels 20 down are full bars because as you stated these are your test positions. 

Now your spreadsheet indicates that you are now on the payout mode. There are only two scenarios that will happen after this. 

First scenario....you hit level 20 to test and it indicated that you are on a payout mode. you hit a level 160 and you got a sizeable payout. in the following day, you only have one high positions level unattacked which is not enough to use all your payout + the additional 10%.....

Second scenario.....you hit level 20 to test and it indicated that you are still on a payback mode.....all your position levels are on one bar...

My position status right now are like this:

8 positions under 20 Full bar

65 positions 21-140 Full-Bar

45 positions 141-180 almost all one-bar

If I have just hit a reward and I need to "use up" a whole bunch of units.  I first kill positions downward from 140 until I get down to 99 positions then I use a refresher to get 20 new positions. 

I may also start by killing a couple of top positions 181-182 to make level 180-181 available to one-bar (Never use the top level for rewards - top level has "funky" rules). 

Then I one-bar all the new positions from 140-180 using up my reward units.

The key to play long term is to have a balance of positions.  If I get too many positions in one-bar state I eliminate a few right after a reward before I start hitting positions under 140.  I also balance PP play between offensive and defensive positions.  I used to only do Offensive positions but that was not sustainable long term.  I ended up having 80% def positions left and not enough offensive ones to use up my rewards. 

To me good balance is about 30-40 one bars at top end of position range split 50/50 between offense and defense.

Assuming I have one-bared all positions above 140 and test shows I am not in pay-out mode yet, what to do?  I would one-bar positions downward from 140 until I am back in pay-out mode.  After I collect the reward I just kill all those positions off to make room for more fresh positions.

I had a payout...2x using your formula....but I am paying an average of 24% interest. 

 To whom it may concern ;:

I am an old player with a respectable level. This means that I know the game. I am aware that it is constantly updated and changes are implemented in it. At least two weeks ago, the algorithm of prizes in the Xerjes Positions, DOES NOT WORK. I have already commented that I am an old player, and what is happening to me, has never happened. Xerxes, always according to my calculations, owes me more than 111 million. That is, the balance of troops invested in positions of Xerxes, and the awards obtained give a balance in my favor of 111 million.

And this, friends of Plarium, is not normal. It has never happened to me.

Am I mistaken?

Kind Regards

hauling_goose said:

hello,i am a huge persians player myself ...…here is the issue with persians you cant play persians daily you have to let the cool down as we say i do full persians once a month and during that month for any persians quests i never go above level 40 ....now you ask why cant i get a full payment it all depends when you do them .....example you attack say a level 50 and get 500mps amd 50 maces to get next full payment you have to return in resources value of them troops plus a minimum of 35% ...…also persians will never work correctly if you dont have you city in correct or .....articles have to be 20 plus .....city 20 plus .....also in your acadmey you need grain reduction and combat exp maxed ...…persians are like any other rpg to make it work right you have to have things in order ......i hope this helps you if their is any other questions please feel free to aski will gladly assist

huge player, .... play once in month ...you never go above level 40... is that a joke? we lose millions here, friend, in a month, and we gathered that army in 5 years, hard work!owners who stole our work never get rich, that is for sure, all run away, instead to spend any penny here!

Mikalosos said:

From my recent experience nothing has changed in PP.

I saw your screenshots and they don't show anything wrong they just show that you are still in payback mode.  Hitting all the positions in order from 0 to 140 does not guarantee a payout.

My PP method is 100% foolproof but most players are too fearful to use it.  They don't really believe it will work so they give up too quickly.

I have won more mega-rewards on level 140-180 positions than I can count.  I usually drop 2-3 per weekend for the coalition conflict event as they score about 25,000 to 30,000 points each.

I have written up my PP strategy several times and have walked many of my coalition players through it step by step.  They are always surprised that I can predict exactly when the reward will drop.  Many other players have written a whole bunch of garbage and mis-information on PP strategy which confuses a lot of players.  The principle is super simple and there are not nearly as many rules as most players think.

To pay back my PP debt I "one-bar" high level positions.  I have 30-40 one-bar positions above level 140 at all times.

https://gyazo.com/1047d6bcf3a16adb5f268ba9d4820221

This is important for two reasons

First when you don't kill the positions just take them all the way down to near zero everything you lose counts against the debt.  If you take out positions to repay your debt, anything you win is added to your debt so it takes longer and more battles to repay the debt.

Second reason because the odds of dropping a reward on a high level position are not 100% so you need multiple positions you can easily kill to be sure you get the big reward.

Here is a typical one-bar attack, knocking out 90-95% of Persians - I do a test attack with 100 units then calculate what I need to knock the rest out and reduce it by 5%

https://gyazo.com/4df747276e6e5efeb5b4704f2236a6f3

I keep every position level 20 and lower as test positions.  The low level positions DO NOT LIE.  If they tell you that you are in payback mode then you are in payback mode and vice-versa. When I get close to where I think I need to be to drop a big reward I use one low level position to test where I am.

This one tells me I still need to make debt payments:

https://gyazo.com/50ffa676ce0bcfa38eada6c698e74820

because I lost a Sassiphoros and gained one Myrmidon (Lower resource value)

So I killed a few hundred more units and tested again, this time I got this result:

https://gyazo.com/3c7c6190a681f125160dd52abbb42980

which indicates with certainty that I am in payout mode.

So I started killing one-bar defensive positions level 150 and higher (I wanted to win defensive units).  I started at 150 because I had 12 defensive positions in "one-bar" state at 150 or above which gives near 100% certainty of getting the reward.

I hit multiple that did not drop the reward like this one:

https://gyazo.com/7d9a73d67939f80ca320d5309da2b7a4

This is not a reward just a regular battle result.  This does not cancel the reward or take you out of payout mode. You just need to persevere.

It took five battles before the real reward finally dropped:

https://gyazo.com/65092fc384b89af7f64c27dd422fe3d2

I executed the sequence described above tonight as I was writing this post and made all the screenshots. This is a 100% certain outcome EVERY time. I can go through the sequence again right now and get a second reward, but of course I will have to kill all the units I won + 10% before I get out of debt.

Thank you for your time and effort, I appreciate it. The playing style isn't the problem but the additional % needed. In your case you say 10%, a moderator says minimum 35%, others including myself experienced more than 35%. 

The first two links I posted above, to borrow your words, indicate that I am now in the payout mode. a level 32 giving out 165 sars and 32 thoraks is not a regular reward. I hope you agree with me on that.  third link is a regular reward, 4rth link indicates I am now again in payout mode and this went on and on.....

From my recent experience nothing has changed in PP.

I saw your screenshots and they don't show anything wrong they just show that you are still in payback mode.  Hitting all the positions in order from 0 to 140 does not guarantee a payout.

My PP method is 100% foolproof but most players are too fearful to use it.  They don't really believe it will work so they give up too quickly.

I have won more mega-rewards on level 140-180 positions than I can count.  I usually drop 2-3 per weekend for the coalition conflict event as they score about 25,000 to 30,000 points each.

I have written up my PP strategy several times and have walked many of my coalition players through it step by step.  They are always surprised that I can predict exactly when the reward will drop.  Many other players have written a whole bunch of garbage and mis-information on PP strategy which confuses a lot of players.  The principle is super simple and there are not nearly as many rules as most players think.

To pay back my PP debt I "one-bar" high level positions.  I have 30-40 one-bar positions above level 140 at all times.

https://gyazo.com/1047d6bcf3a16adb5f268ba9d4820221

This is important for two reasons

First when you don't kill the positions just take them all the way down to near zero everything you lose counts against the debt.  If you take out positions to repay your debt, anything you win is added to your debt so it takes longer and more battles to repay the debt.

Second reason because the odds of dropping a reward on a high level position are not 100% so you need multiple positions you can easily kill to be sure you get the big reward.

Here is a typical one-bar attack, knocking out 90-95% of Persians - I do a test attack with 100 units then calculate what I need to knock the rest out and reduce it by 5%

https://gyazo.com/4df747276e6e5efeb5b4704f2236a6f3

I keep every position level 20 and lower as test positions.  The low level positions DO NOT LIE.  If they tell you that you are in payback mode then you are in payback mode and vice-versa. When I get close to where I think I need to be to drop a big reward I use one low level position to test where I am.

This one tells me I still need to make debt payments:

https://gyazo.com/50ffa676ce0bcfa38eada6c698e74820

because I lost a Sassiphoros and gained one Myrmidon (Lower resource value)

So I killed a few hundred more units and tested again, this time I got this result:

https://gyazo.com/3c7c6190a681f125160dd52abbb42980

which indicates with certainty that I am in payout mode.

So I started killing one-bar defensive positions level 150 and higher (I wanted to win defensive units).  I started at 150 because I had 12 defensive positions in "one-bar" state at 150 or above which gives near 100% certainty of getting the reward.

I hit multiple that did not drop the reward like this one:

https://gyazo.com/7d9a73d67939f80ca320d5309da2b7a4

This is not a reward just a regular battle result.  This does not cancel the reward or take you out of payout mode. You just need to persevere.

It took five battles before the real reward finally dropped:

https://gyazo.com/65092fc384b89af7f64c27dd422fe3d2

Tonaya said:

jolila said:

tonaya, 

If I may ask, when you play positions, at what level do you start hitting ? 

first i hit all low lvl's to 50 lvl,then i burn troops 1 bank above my last payout

i only play under 50 lvl from 1 hit,rest i play 1 bar system

plarium didnt tell us that they raised bank interest to 35%,which is the root of all persian problems we have

Tonaya

I totally agree.....they should have informed us not about the details maybe but informed us that they changed something. we would have been more cautious. 

jolila said:

tonaya, 

If I may ask, when you play positions, at what level do you start hitting ? 

first i hit all low lvl's to 50 lvl,then i burn troops 1 bank above my last payout

i only play under 50 lvl from 1 hit,rest i play 1 bar system

plarium didnt tell us that they raised bank interest to 35%,which is the root of all persian problems we have

Tonaya

hauling_goose said:

hello,i am a huge persians player myself ...…here is the issue with persians you cant play persians daily you have to let the cool down as we say i do full persians once a month and during that month for any persians quests i never go above level 40 ....now you ask why cant i get a full payment it all depends when you do them .....example you attack say a level 50 and get 500mps amd 50 maces to get next full payment you have to return in resources value of them troops plus a minimum of 35% ...…also persians will never work correctly if you dont have you city in correct or .....articles have to be 20 plus .....city 20 plus .....also in your acadmey you need grain reduction and combat exp maxed ...…persians are like any other rpg to make it work right you have to have things in order ......i hope this helps you if their is any other questions please feel free to aski will gladly assist

https://prnt.sc/pr6gk7

https://prnt.sc/pr6h1w

https://prnt.sc/pr6hoc

https://prnt.sc/pr6i1g

just to introduce myself,thanks for your assistance :)

from your post,i can see that plarium raised bank interest to 35% and that they didnt tell us,no matter we asked million times.

hauling_goose said:

hello,i am a huge persians player myself ...…here is the issue with persians you cant play persians daily you have to let the cool down as we say i do full persians once a month and during that month for any persians quests i never go above level 40 ....now you ask why cant i get a full payment it all depends when you do them .....example you attack say a level 50 and get 500mps amd 50 maces to get next full payment you have to return in resources value of them troops plus a minimum of 35% ...…also persians will never work correctly if you dont have you city in correct or .....articles have to be 20 plus .....city 20 plus .....also in your acadmey you need grain reduction and combat exp maxed ...…persians are like any other rpg to make it work right you have to have things in order ......i hope this helps you if their is any other questions please feel free to aski will gladly assist

hi. so how do you explain the screenshots above? I got a better payout from a level 40 than from a level 109. 

Thank you for being honest. 35 % is quite an increase from the 10% that was required before but it is an understatement. oh wait, it is the minimum so that means it can go higher. If you were into a lending business that would have been usurious. 

i think they changed something in persian system,and didnt tell us.

i play pp almost every day,i had 5 times more troops then my bank was.

i'v invested Billions,not Millions,Billions on persians.

i'm trying more then 1 year to get,at least,part of my troops back.

it wont give me anything.

i started to complain and ask,what is wrong with my bank,i got answer from :

Boris Shevchenko,community manager on 11 July, 2019, 10:56 AM UTC:

Tonya, I have checked and see that, at this point, you still need to invest some more troops for receiving the next reward. As you know, there is kind of a gap that gets generated after every big victory on Positions. And then you need to gradually fill this gap with troops in order to receive the next reward. I feel that you will receive a huge reward very soon. Keep trying :)

i builded,revived,and invested all of them on persians(4 months),same result=no payout

i complained more and i got answer on same questions,4 months later from Nancy:

Nancy administrator on 16 October, 2019, 12:07 PM UTC:

Tonaya, I'm afraid there is nothing more I can add on this. There are no issues in Persian Position features. I have just checked our records and see that, at this point, you still need to invest some more troops for receiving the next reward. As you know, there is kind of a gap that gets generated after every big victory on Positions. And then you need to gradually fill this gap with troops in order to receive the next reward. I would recommend taking a break from Positions, concentrating on building the troops that you would not feel sorry about losing later on Positions.

just to be crystal clear:

Boris:

Tonya, I have checked and see that, at this point, you still need to invest some more troops for receiving the next reward. As you know, there is kind of a gap that gets generated after every big victory on Positions. And then you need to gradually fill this gap with troops in order to receive the next reward. I feel that you will receive a huge reward very soon.

Nancy:

I have just checked our records and see that, at this point, you still need to invest some more troops for receiving the next reward. As you know, there is kind of a gap that gets generated after every big victory on Positions. And then you need to gradually fill this gap with troops in order to receive the next reward.

answer are almost identical.

it is not possible that one or two persons type identical answers(same words,same punctuation) 2 times ,after 4 months.

who didnt understand,please read 2 times.

the worst part is that i believed them and wasted 4 months of my life,and money,listening to Boris and Nancy advice,to invest more.

after this post,there are only few options:

1.Morteeee(if she see this post first),gonna delete my post and close the topic

2.Nancy gonna do it

3.Boris gonna do it

4.they will ban me,no matter i didnt brake any rule here 

Tonaya 

is a lack of respect that Plarium steal our work, and people who take our money dare to not speak with us; instead of this they hide and let moderators / employees to mock us all day! 

after you take people money, great owner, you must face them and show them respect, or not, in true life you done the same? you take money and running away or hidding and laugh about players stupidity to trust you?

WE WANT TO TALK WITH THE OWNER!

not with his staff!

so, please have courage and face our acusations if you are a man, and explain where is our money, lost time and fun, why you stole our 5 years work ! why my army , from over 200 millions is under 30 M, from more than 2 months? why positions does have no rules, why we play here black jack instead a fair online game, and how do you feel when someone take your work just like that, because he can? we are not your staff , to receive free 50k agema and upgrades at max. we work hard for our army!

I have 3 profiles! the one in which I invested more became a crap is no longer a fun because of the system you adopted regarding the position ! you will have fewer and fewer coiners player ! LOOOL ! VANESA MEI  know me ! 

I own an internet cafe, many kids ask for a game, I would never recommend them to begin a Plarium game, not a fair play game! and no more delete our post, is also a prove that I am right! try to understand fair play, and respect our lost time here and money! be a man, in few words! your concern is to cheat us further and delete our negative posts, instead to make a real fair game? shame on you! As result, look how many players are still active and how many left, and ask you why!

Mikalosos said:

From my recent experience nothing has changed in PP.

I saw your screenshots and they don't show anything wrong they just show that you are still in payback mode.  Hitting all the positions in order from 0 to 140 does not guarantee a payout.

My PP method is 100% foolproof but most players are too fearful to use it.  They don't really believe it will work so they give up too quickly.

Hello Mikalosos: 

It´s a very, very nice document you wrote about persians. 

Congrats!