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Jan 18, 2017, 05:3601/18/17
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Spec op payout

Why are the spec op payouts so garbage once you reach a certain unlocked troop? I have been playing these plarium games for years now, so I know how these spec ops work with banking troops. It is Bull that the resources for larger troops is so lopsided that is throws off the balance of the payouts. PLAYERS DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY OR TIME UNLOCKING TROOPS. YOUR PAYOUTS WILL GO FROM THOUSANDS OF LIGHT AND MECH INFANTRY TO BARLEY HITTIN 1K OF AVIATION
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Jan 18, 2017, 08:2901/18/17
01/24/17
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Exactly. I have all units unlocked and the rewards I get from paying off the bank when I get aviation units does not cut it. I lose more then I gain. Have tried explaining the balance issues in regards to this but got rudely rebuffed and told that spec ops is working as it should be. I do not think over %90 of the gamer base having issues with spec ops means balanced in my book. Developers need to remember that game mechanics need to be fun. If they are not fun, purposefully unfair and soul crushing prepare to lose a lot of new players, turn away others completely and make older players become disgruntled and leave also.
Jan 18, 2017, 12:1201/18/17
03/27/14
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I noticed the huge difference as well once i stared 

im still experimenting with the OP's as well, i slowed down at unlocking troops until i got a clear idea

 



Jan 18, 2017, 17:1901/18/17
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It's more than a huge difference. It cripples a player's ability to grow. Getting a payout at a lvl 95 spec op will not get you close for the resources needed to payout at lvl 97. This will and is discouraging players that spend money in this game. I know because I am one of them. 
Jan 19, 2017, 07:1501/19/17
01/24/17
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I have noticed the higher level specs ops I was having this exact issue. Thus my previous complaints in other threads. I wholeheartedly agree with you friend.
Jan 19, 2017, 10:1301/19/17
232122

Hi! Let me draw your attention that rewards depend on your losses. Operations mechanic is a part of the gameplay so we let players figure this out by themselves.

Jan 19, 2017, 13:1601/19/17
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I know how to bank my troops. This is not my first plarium game. So I know when I am getting stiffed. The rewards are not paying out enough to get rewards at the same level as the last reward!
Jan 23, 2017, 09:2201/23/17
Jan 23, 2017, 09:24(edited)
01/24/17
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sagemillen said:


Once again ops is a waste of time...

Spent 1.5mill on ops and won back less than 500k in airpower.....  most of that 1.5 mill was behemoth tanks so i threw plenty of rss at the bank and 30% return on invested power is very frustrating when a month ago it was much better. May just quit ops and burn bases instead. Or look for a game thats not trying to squeeze blood from a rock. 

They do it on purpose it seems. The more you lose and do not get back the more chance of players spending money because the only timely or practical option to get their massive losses back is to purchase packs. They purposely balanced spec ops around the diamond recovery system. 

I remember when I got rewarded a bit over 500 Sekira drones and I think a few Titan Vertibirds. Anyway, I threw my whole reward at both Spec ops without killing either. Then I killed off the highest one. And..... lol. No troop reward. I was like WTH, "I PAYED OFF THE BANK BY PUTTING THE WHOLE REWARD BACK INTO THE BANK". I fipped out. Nearly threw my phone...... :(


So the system is not full proof. And I do not care if you do not pay back the bank. No way should you ever get two spec ops missions in a row without troop rewards. That is just plain wrong. Let alone 3 or more. 


*Waits for admin input saying spec ops is very well balanced and a fun aspect of the game......... *
Jan 25, 2017, 23:1601/25/17
Jan 26, 2017, 04:05(edited)
01/24/17
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^^ They do not listen to paying customers. I do not think I have seen the admin agree with anyone elses opinion once.......
Feb 13, 2017, 08:0402/13/17
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Hey I don't get it how does the reward system takes your lost troops into consideration and my aid center has 40k+ troops and I only have 16k troops and I've been hitting everyday and my troops count doesn't seem to be moving I need help please this game is awesome :(
Feb 17, 2017, 14:5102/17/17
Feb 17, 2017, 14:52(edited)
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A change does need to be made especially if people who do not spend hundreds on this game are to enjoy the other elements such as pvp.  its just not worth it spec ops needs to provide more troops and gains then it is currently.  yeah you can get rewards but how often do you see planes or other high rss units as rewards.  400 marines in rss wont even earn a plane.  100 mechs maybe a couple and then the power of those 3 planes wasnt and wont ever be worth the loss of those 100 reapers. ,you need to make changes if you are spending weeks to upgrade planes make it worth it.  why dont you change the algorithm to something easier to manage.  you have coiners running around killing all your spec ops troops and you cant even get close to recovering or being worth anything for your teamates.  this is supposed to be a strat game not a buy 160 baracudas game then destroy 120 peoples hard work they put into the game.  it feels like you dont care about your playerbase 


Feb 24, 2017, 11:5702/24/17
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no you just need to kill troops off that you hire everyday until you start getting a payout alot of us have felt that pain 
Mar 1, 2017, 10:4303/01/17
Mar 2, 2017, 07:31(edited)
232122

Interesting.


Did they made an update in Operations Reward?


Previously i received reward from the Ops normally. So when i loose all my army i receive a reward, but now i have finished several operations, i have drained All my troops (Reward from Ops and from Tournaments, and from resources) and i did not receive any reward. Looks like algorithm become more randomized and more greedy.


Also does anyone know, Ops bank is common for Offense and Defense Ops or we have 2 separate banks?
Mar 2, 2017, 13:4803/02/17
232122

Plarium didn't change anything in Ops reward system.

As I know, there is total bank, not separated.

Mar 3, 2017, 00:3403/03/17
Mar 3, 2017, 00:36(edited)
232122
This tactic seems to work for me. I hit my highest spec operation 1st. Then if i win some troops i start at the lowest then work my way back up to the top. Most of the time its pretty good. Just make sure you are constantly switching nano chips to work with the troops you are raiding with. 
Mar 4, 2017, 09:5203/04/17
Mar 4, 2017, 11:03(edited)
232122

Ok. New day, new expiriments and new toughts.


Once again i have lost all my army in the OPs. Even when i have tried to beat them from smallest to the largest. I have even pay all my diamonds to revive troops and beat the highest possible operation. So, no prize. and i have no army once again.


So, here moderators and community manager told us about tactics, about skills and etc...


I  have a tactic of beating OPs. This tactic worked like a swiss clock. Everything was OK BEFORE THE LATEST GAME UPDATE.


So i can see 2 ways of changes that you have done with OPs.


1) You brought more random to winning the prize. And now it is really extreme random and noone can predict winning or loosing. Very good for you - people will donate more or will leave the game.


2) You set total bank to ZERO! Because it is the second possible way. I can see that I am not able  to win a prize from OPs higher than 40 level.


Previously i had prize from 57 and even 63 level of OP. Now 32 is my limit. It is UNFAIR. I dont want to play the game which can delete all my achivments every update and i will need to pay money to get to the level I had before your updates.


Of course you can tell that nothing was changed. but my experience after latest update showed me that you REALLY MADE CHANGES and this opinion is not only mine.

Honestly, after latest update lots of my friends and me does not want to play this game at all.




Feb 7, 2017, 09:5302/07/17
Feb 7, 2017, 09:54(edited)
01/24/17
245

Eugenia Misura said:


Commander Huntsmen, due to the random element of the Reward system, it can happen that players play for some period of time without receiving massive Rewards. On the contrary, it can also mean that players can win huge rewards from consecutive Battles. In more objective terms, the Reward system takes all of your lost Units into account: each completed Special Op increases the likelihood of receiving a massive Reward. Keep fighting and you will get there! 

Talk about random. I have payed back the bank AND more by %15-25 and got back only 1/3rd of the RSS I put in the bank. Thought to myself, has to be a split payout. And nope, was not a split payout. As you can imagine I nearly threw my tablet out the window. It IS random and it IS not fair or sustainable. Disgustingly unbalanced more times then not. Also once you get a REALLY big reward. It can be impossible to pay that reward back. There needs to be a system in place for that. Like after a week the bank should reset. Whomever designed the Spec Ops system obviously catered it more for the guys who can spend and diamond revive their troops. Evident by the fact that the people in the weekly top 10 for operations are massive coiners with bottomless coffers. 

So the rewards are weak. And it is annoying how you have to have max RSS before even ATTEMPTING Spec Ops, otherwise you will get rewarded in resources instead of troops. Hard to get max RSS when you are fighting for rations........ And fuel once you start building Equalizer Bombers which cost 42,000 fuel each. 
Mar 18, 2018, 03:4503/18/18
232122
So as you doing operations of high level, is it worth doing them after this new patch or not? Developers responses sound like most players here are stupid...
Apr 19, 2020, 22:3004/19/20
Apr 19, 2020, 22:39(edited)
01/12/17
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I HAVE ALOT MILLIONS INVESTED IN OPS HUNDREDS OF DOLLERS STILL WAITING ON THIS BIG PAYOUT. I HAVE INVESTED somewhere around 100 million in just the past few weeks. I have yet to get more then 5 million back and I have reinvested it everytime only to fall short. Come on guys if everyone's saying this there mite be truth to get.
Apr 19, 2020, 22:4104/19/20
Apr 19, 2020, 23:51(edited)
01/12/17
15
I dont mind spending our I would not have but there are issues here it a never ending deal please fix this our I'm gonna quit playing again I have not played for a long time only to come back to this. There was a issue with alt accounts so you guys fix it but screwing the honest players.
Apr 19, 2020, 23:5204/19/20
01/12/17
15
I just want to play a fare game
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