It would be great is Plarium could acknowledge that they have seen and understood what Kings Hammer has said. If there is more explanation required players will be happy to provide it I am sure, cause its very important.

Assuming it was understood, what is the feedback? How are the devs going to manage the slow degrading of force limits?

Recently we had, shards to 20%, Weor units, increased champs ranks. Future developments are almost bound to add more troop bonuses, so this only gets worse if it's not dealt with. 

Kings Guard said:

Bird said:

It's a small number of mega offence accounts that threaten beacons. Majority already have rank 7 champs, as they can be obtained via sacrifice training almost immediately, where money is no object (first one I saw was within a few hours of the update).

For the defence to catch up the whole 160 members of a league need to get to rank 7. 

A Centaur rank 7 champ would need 160 members with rank 7 Reverant champ to balance to force?  is nt that way too much??  So before we had rank 6 ,,,now we have rank 7.. all of us.. is nt that the same status (and same stats)??

fURY said:

i should start a few accounts 

What grinding the champs up to 7 stars on one account isn't enough fun already?  :P

Haadaway. said:

TheBeast said:

Really?  are you kidding?  you bring in THIS report??? i dont know if i have to laugh or to be amazed ..that is NOT a defended beacon..i myself can put it down even if i m not a coiner.Wow.. 800 ocult units..wow..1k spies..2k archers..should i go on?if this is a defended beacon what can we say about those with 2bill up force denfese inside?this is a joke of a beacon.I invite Renzo to hit our beacon even if we are a little league..than we see how many tears will drop.He would need MUCH MUCH more than that and i m not bluffing.OF COURSE little alliances beacons are and will always bee an easy target for a megacoiner..one of my team mate killed in past all beacons of a league and he spent A LOT with eyes closed just because he was nervous  :).The big will always eat the little..so bring in another example... show us a REAL beacon defended killed by a megacoiner and we can discuss.The defense in this beacon most of average players have in many leagues.

dnt get angry or upset .i disagree with him too.but that image is not fake.its just one alt's (or an accounts) defense in that beacon which was attacked by a player.there are also others defense in that beacon.thats why there are that losses to that attacker

Silverhand said:

Haadaway. said:

i'm so smart

2017 is the year of your registration or your birth?

smh I should have left this game years ago...

cant talk about his/her age or registry date

TheBeast said:

That is a screenshot of an attack from THIS WEEK.

It is the Dragon league having their only edge beacon smacked down.

If you calculate the power of that hit, it's around 2.4bn. 

Really?  are you kidding?  you bring in THIS report??? i dont know if i have to laugh or to be amazed ..that is NOT a defended beacon..i myself can put it down even if i m not a coiner.Wow.. 800 ocult units..wow..1k spies..2k archers..should i go on?if this is a defended beacon what can we say about those with 2bill up force denfese inside?this is a joke of a beacon.I invite Renzo to hit our beacon even if we are a little league..than we see how many tears will drop.He would need MUCH MUCH more than that and i m not bluffing.OF COURSE little alliances beacons are and will always bee an easy target for a megacoiner..one of my team mate killed in past all beacons of a league and he spent A LOT with eyes closed just because he was nervous  :).The big will always eat the little..so bring in another example... show us a REAL beacon defended killed by a megacoiner and we can discuss.The defense in this beacon most of average players have in many leagues.

The screenshot is from one particular players point of view, not the attackers.  So it only shows that players defense, not the total defense on the beacon.  How did you not realize that?  Did you really think a few hundred units killed nearly 20,000 eldritch dragons?  

Haadaway. said:

i'm so smart

2017 is the year of your registration or your birth?

smh I should have left this game years ago...

Silverhand said:

Haadaway. said:

i'm so smart

2017 is the year of your registration or your birth?

smh I should have left this game years ago...

cant talk about his/her age or registry date

but im sure i know the troll year :p 

The Destroyer said:

fURY said:

i dnt know how sieges work ? yeah u might be right by ur standards .no matter,if there is a soft blow,or not !

u call everything i say rants ! i dnt care.

but a league loses its one and only border beacon it would be easier to tell me i know nothing that blame a leadership for losing only border for not knowing after 3 months.im not gonna talk about them as its non of my business.im not gonna rant more about the other things,rant  its becoming a fun word for me .if i had one bordering beacon not only wouldnt i lose it,id destroy any army trying it,based on the siege mechanic i dnt know anything about !!!! 

in the end its always easier to blame others 

I am from a small league and never post b4. But this got me mad.

You said big spenders not killing people's beacons and is not true. Someone post screenshot evidence that proves it wasn't true and this is all you have to say. Why not just admit you were wrong? Be big man. It's obvious from the posts anyway. Not just post more that make no sense and try blame everyone else.

I spend some time research who is who and not surprise to find you are in major coining league. No surprise you want to fight against changes that can keep the game fair and help keep many players active and involved. You want so tiny few who spend tens of thousands a month can kill everyone again and ruin the game again. Selfish and stupid.

Hope my English is not too bad and first post is OK.

u said its ur first,okay,ill explain !!!

as i said to other player,dnt get upset or angry 

my whole debate here was just to point out the blame finger people just wont stop poking at plarium or other players for their own or their leadership;s failures

i was accused of not knowing how siege mechanic works ! i was told i dnt know what i am talking about !

ur a new player ! i will ask u ,dnt change the subject .answer me this

a league or one player is attacking all the beacons ! trying to increase territory,this has been going on for 3 months,ur aware ! 

and u have one, border beacon,what would u do ? 

lets go to another part, i was told,nobody told it was not fun,nobody told this and that..

well,did i say i dnt want beacon force limit decreased ? 

im not gonna talk about my league being a big coiner one,ur accusing my whole league.but still,and anyways its a big league,if the beacons force limit decrease dnt u think it will affect us too ? allowing us to hold much more beacons ?

accusing others,blaming plarium or whoever who even isnt disagreeing,just not liked based on some other post...

champions ! plarium gives free autohunts for whole month now,call others a coiner cause theyr doing great.

or maybe they know things others dnt ?

this is my alt's champion list.have never purchased anything for this one !

some beacon drops are unavoidable,sure

small leagues or big ones dnt matter,coiner or not too.no league has ever started big,they worked hard for it to get there,so theyr the bad guys ?

point blame finger at anyone u want,they wont care ! plarium will do what they want,players will hold more beacon if force limit is decreased or attack more if its the same...

i wont care if my remarks will be called rant ! never have.people would receive free gifts from royal loyality rolls,and they will comlain why isnt the rest free. if instead of blaming others for an obvious failure on their parts people worked a constructive case sure i would support it 

ah man my rants got long again 

fURY said:

my whole debate here was just to point out the blame finger people just wont stop poking at plarium or other players for their own or their leadership;s failures

No it wasn't.

This was your debate, whilst ironically protesting your honesty.

people get upset cause i try to be honest :p when was the last time u saw some action in game ?

mega coiners who dnt even know how beacon stuff works,who have never downgraded a beacon ? they just like the appearance of the units,oh my gosh this unit is so pretty :p

we talk and talk and talk about balance,where are these mega coiners,where are these beacons being downgraded after this unbalance

It's not just you made the point, you smeared it in sarcasm as if other people deserved derision for what they posted. It's a figment of people's imagination that there are mega coiners and that they take down beacons with complete shop only armies. 

One screenshot later and what you said is exposed as completely and utterly inaccurate.

As to why you would post completely inaccurate statements. Either you are clueless or you are intentionally posting misinformation to further an agenda. 

In your post to Destroyer you seem to be trying to argue hard that you are not clueless. That only leaves a very unpalatable alternative (which might just answer another issue you raised in the thread several times).

Reverse Midas said:

He's just a mouth piece for his league. Best to ignore but keep an eye on his posts for bad suggestions. 

u keep an eye on me and u say ignore him ,funny 

each time u disagree with me then i know im doing something right 

people who read,will see everything too,they will also see how many accounts can a player use and comment with.if not here,somewhere .eventually everyone will see everyone for who they are

i was indifferent at first, i change my mind !

i dnt want to see any changes to beacon force limit !

call it me driving my agenda, or a personal thing.

let there be more fun !

for a 7 star centaur,everyone can get a 7 star revenant ! even if it takes time,Woerian units are trained in 2 weeks too ! should be enough time.even if it isnt , this feature will be fun ,for me,so i will just support it 

Force limit, limits the total max offence hit that can be sent to beacons (or hamlets, castles etc).

The extra champ rank is a 50% increase in champ power. This is an 25% increase in total army power.

The Woer event provides a large number of VERY low food consumption troops. And over weeks and week a VERY LARGE number of those troops. Those units have power per unit power and a third of the consumption of a darkened dragon.

So prior to the Weor and Champ changes:

- Max hit into a beacon under 150k force limit was around 0.85bn for a normal player

- If you were a mega coiner and were able to add all eldritch dragons you could get that to 1.4bn

Now post Weor and Champ changes:

- Max hit into beacon is around 1.3bn

- A mega coiner could now be up to 2.0bn

That is an inflation in the max hit against a beacon of around 40-50%.

And that inflation gets bigger and bigger each week as people can have more and more of the low food consumption Woer units.

Put it another way, without realising it, Plarium has effectively reduced force limits by up to 50%. I think you got the force limit level spot on, but now it being reduced all the time.

Force limits saved the game. Beacon game is the end game for Stormfall. It gives people something to do and strive for long after seen and done the individual level gameplay. It's what keeps a lot of the player in the game for years, and generates the meta game content (dilplo, alliances etc etc).

We are getting back to the ppint where 1 player spending tens of thousands a month (and we know there are people that do that), will be able to kill entire leagues again. We'll be back to the lack of balance that nearly killed the games 2/3 years ago.

fURY said:

i dnt know how sieges work ? yeah u might be right by ur standards .no matter,if there is a soft blow,or not !

u call everything i say rants ! i dnt care.

but a league loses its one and only border beacon it would be easier to tell me i know nothing that blame a leadership for losing only border for not knowing after 3 months.im not gonna talk about them as its non of my business.im not gonna rant more about the other things,rant  its becoming a fun word for me .if i had one bordering beacon not only wouldnt i lose it,id destroy any army trying it,based on the siege mechanic i dnt know anything about !!!! 

in the end its always easier to blame others 

I am from a small league and never post b4. But this got me mad.

You said big spenders not killing people's beacons and is not true. Someone post screenshot evidence that proves it wasn't true and this is all you have to say. Why not just admit you were wrong? Be big man. It's obvious from the posts anyway. Not just post more that make no sense and try blame everyone else.

I spend some time research who is who and not surprise to find you are in major coining league. No surprise you want to fight against changes that can keep the game fair and help keep many players active and involved. You want so tiny few who spend tens of thousands a month can kill everyone again and ruin the game again. Selfish and stupid.

 TheBeast said:

Also a bit worrying as you are a member of the "supposed" no1 league on the main server. Your post just shows how unbalanced the game is and how clueless people with money rise to the top in this game. Don't even know how to efficiently take down a beacon, it's really sad.

That is a screenshot of an attack from THIS WEEK.

It is the Dragon league having their only edge beacon smacked down.

If you calculate the power of that hit, it's around 2.4bn. 

i dnt know how sieges work ? yeah u might be right by ur standards .no matter,if there is a soft blow,or not !

u call everything i say rants ! i dnt care.

but a league loses its one and only border beacon it would be easier to tell me i know nothing that blame a leadership for losing only border for not knowing after 3 months.im not gonna talk about them as its non of my business.im not gonna rant more about the other things,rant  its becoming a fun word for me .if i had one bordering beacon not only wouldnt i lose it,id destroy any army trying it,based on the siege mechanic i dnt know anything about !!!! 

in the end its always easier to blame others