djmoody said:

Hunts aren't designed for you.

They are designed for people willing to PAY NOT TO PLAY (Plarium should trademark that as they are breaking new ground). ...

But this is an exercise in pay to win, they are not actually looking to do anything useful for players, make the games better, improve enjoyment etc etc.

I have nothing against mega coiners-i would do the same if i were rich.On the other hand i would put all of them in one dedicated server just for them and i would let free to play players to play in their own server-NON $$ server;there players will advance using nothing but skills and time.But here spenders are clever;in previous game i played for 6 years i knew few very rich who don t had a clue how to play-just buying tons of items and no tactic no skills nothing.I have to admit  was jealous because if i d had their money to spend in game i would be up there in top.

Fritz said:

djmoody said:

Hunts aren't designed for you.

They are designed for people willing to PAY NOT TO PLAY (Plarium should trademark that as they are breaking new ground). ...

But this is an exercise in pay to win, they are not actually looking to do anything useful for players, make the games better, improve enjoyment etc etc.

I have nothing against mega coiners-i would do the same if i were rich.On the other hand i would put all of them in one dedicated server just for them and i would let free to play players to play in their own server-NON $$ server;there players will advance using nothing but skills and time.But here spenders are clever;in previous game i played for 6 years i knew few very rich who don t had a clue how to play-just buying tons of items and no tactic no skills nothing.I have to admit  was jealous because if i d had their money to spend in game i would be up there in top.

maybe..... a VIP server, where you have to buy into?  and that server supports the f2p server?  sounds like a win. 

I can see the for and against this, but so many were always saying to much clicking with champs, way to time consuming, do something about it complaints, yet here we have an automated system that takes away the hours spent and thousands of clicks to upgrade champs which is what many asked for, 

I still have my champs set up ready to try for that holy scroll in the solo champ tourney, this 1 couldn't have come at a better time for me as I have been saving all energy balls that I have been getting from league chests, all double xp boosters as well and I have over 90 champs sitting at xp1 at 4 stars so I say ready set got for the solo champ tourney for me 

Christine Hare said:

I can see the for and against this, but so many were always saying to much clicking with champs, way to time consuming, do something about it complaints, yet here we have an automated system that takes away the hours spent and thousands of clicks to upgrade champs which is what many asked for, 

I still have my champs set up ready to try for that holy scroll in the solo champ tourney, this 1 couldn't have come at a better time for me as I have been saving all energy balls that I have been getting from league chests, all double xp boosters as well and I have over 90 champs sitting at xp1 at 4 stars so I say ready set got for the solo champ tourney for me 

only if you pay for it.  why would anyone who wasn't buy emerald and/or holy bond packages before this all of a sudden now want to pay for group hunts?

Solo hunts are completely useless unless you're trying to upgrade a single champ instead of several at once.  From my perception, I assume that most players that do not spend on champions are very rarely going to want to upgrade a single champion, in which case its not worth buying a solo hunt just for that rare occasion.

On top of this, nerfing emerald rewards for everyone in order to implement a high to mega coiner only feature is just another slap in the fast to mid coiners and below.  DJ Moody was absolutely spot on when he said the hunts could have implemented to give reduced rewards when active to prevent infinite emerald production, leaving the original rewards alone when the hunt is not active.

Why are you trying for the holy bond tourney reward?  Do you buy bond and orb packages?

Hi there Limad, I just recently done the solo champ tourney with hunt activated, I had 78 energy spheres and many grade 4 champs ready to go, now it took less than 4 hours for the group hunt to upgrade them all to 30xp for me with paragon activated and auto recharge in group hunt, see I get about 4 hours or less sleep at night before work in the morning and the group hunt of all 4 star champs was finished when I logged in to check before work so I set another 1 going, I came 10th overall in the solo champ hunt and started with 60 emeralds and finished off with just over 1700 emeralds so I did gain in emeralds but not as much as I would have if the emeralds were still at their original rewards for champ xp rankups

I noticed you will gain in emeralds with the hunt provided you use 4 star champs or higher, but if you use the hunt for 3 star champs or lowere you lose emeralds big time if thats any help, I lile to play and thoughrouly test out new updates before giving feedback so I can give real gamer experience feedback this way

I saw only 1 negative with the hunt while playing champ solo tourney and I hope you all take notice of this 1 before you try it on the tourney if your planning to go for top 10 rankings, the group hunt causes lag when you try to upgrade champs manually at the same time using undead, also the champs your trying to upgrade manually can clash with the same level undead your champs in the hunt are attacking if your not aware of their levels

Hi there Aegon, I refuse to pay $99 for 1 holy bond where there is the very real chance I could easily get a hamlet defense champ from it, the price is just not worth it for me personally to take that chance so instead I try to win them, also I'm not dissagreeing with you and DJ Moody about the cut in emerald rewards, I'm not happy about that either, but apart from complain we can only hope they hear us

So you are saying that you personally have done the raids Like Christine Did ? And those are your numbers in the Chart?  

and when Christine provide the proof that your chart is deeply flawed. 

You Cry Fake News !!! 

Basically calling her a Liar .

Figures don't Lie But Liars Figure is what my old Math teacher used to always say. 

Wesley Pringle said:

So you are saying that you personally have done the raids Like Christine Did ? And those are your numbers in the Chart?  

and when Christine provide the proof that your chart is deeply flawed. 

You Cry Fake News !!! 

Basically calling her a Liar .

Figures don't Lie But Liars Figure is what my old Math teacher used to always say. 

I believe Christine would not lie about what her results were. 

As it happens I have done a lot more champ training than Christine has reported she has done. 

And initially it seems to make a profit as you complete the half trained champs you had and receive full rewards for them. But that is ignoring all the sacrifices and the cost of those sacrifices that had gone into training them to their start point rank and level. As you do more training you start to lose emeralds.

Tbh having a pissing contest about how much training people have and haven't done to collect their "anecdotal evidence" isn't the point because collecting anecdotal evidence is POINTLESS (for all the reasons I already explained - you will never randomly sample a period of training that will reflect the true cost)

If you want to know the factual truth then seriously its as simple as this.

Either the maths I provided has a mistake in it, in which case I would love for that to be pointed out so we can all know the correct answer.

OR is is correct and it's a fact that the champions training will cost money. And not just a small amount of money.

If you don't have the capability to check the maths yourself then please ask someone you know who does to take a look at it. I am more than happy to be proven wrong... because I only want to know what the factual cost is so I can plan accordingly and advise my league appropriately.

And no I didn't call Christine a liar and went out of my way to point that out in my post - so I find what you wrote to be be nothing but trolling (a break of rule 1.2 b) and c) - if there was any justice in the world).

No MOD is trolling any posts here, as part of our job we must take the time to read the comments in the post  and the content of the post before replying, its just a part of being a MOD  

Christine Hare said:

Hi there Aegon, I refuse to pay $99 for 1 holy bond where there is the very real chance I could easily get a hamlet defense champ from it, the price is just not worth it for me personally to take that chance so instead I try to win them, also I'm not dissagreeing with you and DJ Moody about the cut in emerald rewards, I'm not happy about that either, but apart from complain we can only hope they hear us

Now 1 very interesting thing which I also put in as a suggestion some time ago was that beacons be able to give out soulstones, and emeralds, not just sapphires and Roadstar Pittbull has shown a link from Stormfall Rise Of Balur  of an emerald producing beacon, so I really do hope that does happen here too seeing as Plarium only lifted the emerald rewards for upgrading champ xp to half of its original rewards

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Even if you manage to spend all that time and clicking to get a holy bond, the chances of the bond containing an orange is slim.  The chances of such an orange being useful to you is even more slim.   The chances of you ever enlightening a useful champ is next to zero.   The chances of you ever applying an orb to a useful orange champ is ZERO.

Even the epics rarely contain purples, but even if you get one, you can not apply any orbs to it.

So....why bother trying to place in the tournament at all, much less the top spot?

I understand saving recharges and XP boosts for the tourney to optimize rewards, but I don't see how its worth trying to place in the tournament rankings if you're not buying holy bond and orb packages.

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Stormfall said:

Aegon Targaryen said:

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Because grade V gives 52.3% bonus even without enlightenment or orbs? What are you arguing here? That grade V is useless unless you spend money upgrading it? You know you can apply that logic to every aspect of this game? Your dragons are worse than coiners dragons. Why do you bother getting them?

Who said anything about dragons?

All I got from my free holy bond was a purple phantom

I would never waste time or money tying to get another holy bond, nor will I waste any more time clicking to upgrade my current champions, 
and will be dumping my free Hunt Item unused

Aegon Targaryen said:

If you're not buying the holy bond or orb packages, then why are you spending so much time and effort trying to win holy bonds in the champion XP tournament?

Because grade V gives 52.3% bonus even without enlightenment or orbs? What are you arguing here? That grade V is useless unless you spend money upgrading it? You know you can apply that logic to every aspect of this game? Your dragons are worse than coiners dragons. Why do you bother getting them?

Not sure how this  got to be about Mythical Gameplay killing updates  and made up scenarios of a Post Flashplayer shut down that I truly doubt will happen. Or Even force limits to Beacons .   But I guess one Cheese and Crackers Comment will always lead to another. 

After all it all becomes a continuous towel soaker about how somebody has more than I do 

As for the topic  Undead hunts - not for me 

I say it's not for me now.  

But it's a possible future option when I'm ready for it 

and when I am ready for it  will be Awesome !!!

My advice don't attempt more than you can do it will always leave you unsatisfied. 

And if you can't afford to Compete in every event then take the time to gather enough of what you need to make your mark when you can. 

CertainDeath said:

Not sure how this  got to be about Mythical Gameplay killing updates  and made up scenarios of a Post Flashplayer shut down that I truly doubt will happen. Or Even force limits to Beacons .   But I guess one Cheese and Crackers Comment will always lead to another. 

After all it all becomes a continuous towel soaker about how somebody has more than I do 

As for the topic  Undead hunts - not for me 

I say it's not for me now.  

But it's a possible future option when I'm ready for it 

and when I am ready for it  will be Awesome !!!

My advice don't attempt more than you can do it will always leave you unsatisfied. 

And if you can't afford to Compete in every event then take the time to gather enough of what you need to make your mark when you can. 

You're right about mythical gameplay killing updates.  Gameplay in SF was destroyed long ago.  The updates in the past year, no matter how destructive to 'gameplay', simply can not kill that which is already dead.

I don't even remember when the last update was that added gameplay.   Its been years.   Nothing but farmville updates.

yeah ok what ever I guess people just never get tired of wanting I just take what I get :)