My Lords, here is usefull tips about Battlegrounds for you >> http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, here is usefull tips about Battlegrounds for you >> http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips

Yeah sorry, but a lot of the info in that is wrong.  All resources count the same towards loading battlegrounds, there is no difference between troops that cost mostly iron, gold, or food.  And low level battlegrounds are just as good as high ones.  you can get 100% returns on level 30-40 battlegrounds, the payouts just won't be as big as on the higher ones (but you also won't have to lose as much to get a payout, so it balances out).  jeez, if low level battlegrounds gave under 50% returns we would never even finish the global missions...

here is a chart of the banking value for each level infest, you want to have about 80% that amount in the bank when you kill the infest.  it's from total domination, but the values are the same here.  there are some holes or weird numbers in it, so if one seems off just estimate by the ones around it

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Infestation_Data

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

oldboy0815 said:

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

 

 

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips ....

 

YOU SURE ? NO LYING NOR OTHER STUFF ? CAUSE THE SO CALLED FACTS ON THIS PAGE ARE BULL**** as in **.

 

at first: i can´t edit the fcking page nor can i create a discussion page.

 

2nd i am playing the game as an app on a smart phone. rune bg´s aint giving runes. they aint giving runes i am so sure of that, that i am even betting money on this one. someone is willled to bet against it? how about you Lord Oberon ? 

 

2.1 nd the payout or so called maxing payout doesnt work either. i did a normal battle ground (lvl 23), nearly finished it and did then another normal bg (lvl 21) and returned then to the first one..... no payout.

before this and after this, i did several bg´s no payout....  some time ago i did bg´s without thinking and strategies and got in total 2 payouts. but it was some timeeee ago. after these payouts i did several bg´s and used more then 3k of archers and 1,2k of dwarfs and no payout.

 

this guide at http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips is just so useless.

is it understandable when i wanna shoot the person who wrote it, straight in the head ?

Nope, I'd have to say that definitely makes you a bit crazy :P

oldboy0815 said:

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

 

 

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips ....

 

YOU SURE ? NO LYING NOR OTHER STUFF ? CAUSE THE SO CALLED FACTS ON THIS PAGE ARE BULL**** as in **.

 

at first: i can´t edit the fcking page nor can i create a discussion page.

 

2nd i am playing the game as an app on a smart phone. rune bg´s aint giving runes. they aint giving runes i am so sure of that, that i am even betting money on this one. someone is willled to bet against it? how about you Lord Oberon ? 

 

2.1 nd the payout or so called maxing payout doesnt work either. i did a normal battle ground (lvl 23), nearly finished it and did then another normal bg (lvl 21) and returned then to the first one..... no payout.

before this and after this, i did several bg´s no payout....  some time ago i did bg´s without thinking and strategies and got in total 2 payouts. but it was some timeeee ago. after these payouts i did several bg´s and used more then 3k of archers and 1,2k of dwarfs and no payout.

 

this guide at http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips is just so useless.

is it understandable when i wanna shoot the person who wrote it, straight in the head ?

My Lord! I ask you to controll your expressions. 

If you are playing mobile version, this forum is for you >>http://forum.plarium.com/en/stormfallrob/

Stormfall: Age of War and Stormfall: Rise of Balur are totally different games. So, the mechanics, rewards, Quests can differ. 

I think I must be missing something here. If the rewards from attacking battlegrounds is less than the cost of the losses you get from the attack, then what is the reason to attack at all?

Early on, especially, I suppose it's a way of converting low level units into higher level units, potentially needing less food to support?

Maybe the margin is made up by advances in levels and the rewards associated with that?

On the whole, though, I find attacking battlegrounds isn't a winning strategy.

SeriousSummer said:

I think I must be missing something here. If the rewards from attacking battlegrounds is less than the cost of the losses you get from the attack, then what is the reason to attack at all?

Early on, especially, I suppose it's a way of converting low level units into higher level units, potentially needing less food to support?

Maybe the margin is made up by advances in levels and the rewards associated with that?

On the whole, though, I find attacking battlegrounds isn't a winning strategy.

Then you're not doing it right ;) 

If you aren't making a profit off battlegrounds then you should rethink your strategy. 

Clearly, but to what? I've tried overwhelming force. I've tried just enough force. I've tried sending someone in to lose so I know what I'm facing. Once and awhile I hit a big score, but overall I seem to lose more units than I gain.

So what's your trick? And why did you send the Silent Ones in with your force. What do they add?

What you send in the final hit influences the type of troops you win.  I wanted griphons, and I increased the likelihood of getting them by including silent ones. 

To do well in battlegrounds you have to follow the banking chart.  Troop payouts are based on resource value of troops lost since the last payout, and you have to load a certain amount of resources in before you can get a payout on a given level of bg. 

Also, the bgs seem generally pay out better during global missions, so this is the best time to do them. 

My Lord! This calculator wasn't created by Plarium, that's why I cannot suggest you to use it or guarantee you good results.

If you have received some insignificant reward, this means that the rest of the payout will be issued over some period of time. If you sum up all the rewards you are given within a certain period, you will see that your payout takes 95-98% of your total losses for the same period. 

Ultron said:

Every bg has different composition, and hence one cannot plot an accurate chart showing losses or how much troops it will take. But there is a minimum amount of off/def power required to clear every bg that may be considered the optimum

hi ultron you are a moderator here thats cool pal :) you dint said that tho ... 

Elixia said:

I really appreciate all the various comments here. I've been trying to work out what approach to take to BGs and am thoroughly confused by all the information and misinformation out there. For us first timer low levels, (I've been playing nearly 3 weeks for Lev 44) - it seems that the only benefit is getting access to troops that I can't purchase with resources yet.

Lord Oberon referred us to the Plarium Wiki which suggests sending single archers to glean info from BGs, which sounded sensible. Others are saying that's a waste of time. I don't understand all this hidden bank stuff - but from reading all the above, the simplest strategy seems to me to be - always work through BGs in increasing order of difficulty - that way you will eventually get rewarded at a reasonable level. My idea won't work if the bank 'clicks over' when you start with the lower level, so I suggest you work in increasing order until you get reimbursed, then and only then go back to lower levels.

Is my 'logic' flawed my Lords?

That's a basic strategy which will have better results than just randomly hitting them, but you're unlikely to actually make a profit from them unless you understand and follow the banking system.  Join a good league, they'll help teach you about how to do bgs.  If you join one of the KingofKings leagues, we will help train you on teamspeak.  Several other leagues offer similar training, but I'm not sure which ones or how accurate they are, you'd have to check around. 

Some of the info on the plarium wiki is accurate, but a lot of it isn't. 

Not to be too slow, but a return of 95% to 98% seems like a perpetually losing system. I wouldn't invest in a stock that has a guaranteed negative return of 2-5%. I'm level 67 and can create reasonably powerful units. I'm not short of food. So why in the world would I waste my time on battlegrounds?

It's like Vegas. After the House gets its cut, we're all losers.

I'm hardly an expert on bgs, but I can say the primary utility (other than event rewards) in doing bgs is to convert weaker troops to stronger ones.  For higher levels able to produce the better troops themselves, I'm not sure if it saves them any resources to game the bg bank.  For me, bgs are profitable because the best troops I can make, even with technologies maxed, are still weaker than the unimproved versions of the better troops.  For higher level players, being able to control what troops you get (aka, making it yourself rather than gambling on bg) might make more sense.  For instance, fully improved golems are stronger than unimproved griffons.  A bg reward of golems would be awesome, but by comparison, a reward of griffons would suck.  

Papio, i dont know if there are any bg without payouts, i think if u have spent the last payout u got plus an x% and you have reached the amount required for the bg level you want the payout u should be able to get it but its not 100% sure and may be you wont get it, maybe the random component or the secret component.

i hope i will be able to answer you in spanish in a near future..

biohazarD im totally agree with you.

also i have a question and its to know if legendaries troops banks on bgs.

see u.

Juglar del Viento said:

Papio, i dont know if there are any bg without payouts, i think if u have spent the last payout u got plus an x% and you have reached the amount required for the bg level you want the payout u should be able to get it but its not 100% sure and may be you wont get it, maybe the random component or the secret component.

i hope i will be able to answer you in spanish in a near future..

biohazarD im totally agree with you.

also i have a question and its to know if legendaries troops banks on bgs.

see u.

Legendaries seem to load for the resource value of their saphire cost (a great western dragon costs 2000 saphires, which in the black market buys 50k resources, so that's how much they're worth, which is the same value as 2 dragons, while they have the offense of 12 dragons).  Ie you're better off saving them and using normal troops in bgs. 

Why is our Battleground Ranking shown in our Profile as Siege Points? This is an ancient bug which needs fixing
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I also have grave concerns over the way BR is calculated - why do they always use the offensive strength of black horde units for all battlegrounds?

This Orc Altar gave 373 BR which implies 3720 strength - http://prntscr.com/7bwzvd

7 Marennon at 80 offense = 560
4 Orcs at 20 offense = 80
17 Raiders at 40 offense = 680
40 Ogres at 60 offense = 2400
Total offense = 3,720

But Orc Altars should be using defensive values, not offensive - This is a bug

Lord, I guess, since it does not matter for orcs whether to defend or attack! They just battle!

Thank you for the heads-up!

Tony Hobson said:

Sadly, all of this is pretty academic now that they have nerfed BG Tournaments beyond all recognition.

No Soulstones, No Sapphires, No Legendaries, No Fun

Actually, you have both Sapphires and Soulstones there at the moment. So use them for good, my Lord!

The BG system calculation was not changed anyhow.

speedychar said:

Hello all in Stormfall. just want to know if this is a good payout for a level 38 def BG. I GOT 230 NECROS AND 691 GOLEMS RESOURCES I GOT WAS 18151 GOLD, 17681 IRON AND 14281 FOOD.

yes it is

pretty nice reward for a 38 it was 5.945.412 of resources ;)

next time full your barns and warehouses to get all in troops.

good luck and keep hitting them, balur will be defeated