My Lords, here is usefull tips about Battlegrounds for you >> http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, here is usefull tips about Battlegrounds for you >> http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips

Yeah sorry, but a lot of the info in that is wrong.  All resources count the same towards loading battlegrounds, there is no difference between troops that cost mostly iron, gold, or food.  And low level battlegrounds are just as good as high ones.  you can get 100% returns on level 30-40 battlegrounds, the payouts just won't be as big as on the higher ones (but you also won't have to lose as much to get a payout, so it balances out).  jeez, if low level battlegrounds gave under 50% returns we would never even finish the global missions...

here is a chart of the banking value for each level infest, you want to have about 80% that amount in the bank when you kill the infest.  it's from total domination, but the values are the same here.  there are some holes or weird numbers in it, so if one seems off just estimate by the ones around it

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Infestation_Data

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

oldboy0815 said:

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

 

 

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips ....

 

YOU SURE ? NO LYING NOR OTHER STUFF ? CAUSE THE SO CALLED FACTS ON THIS PAGE ARE BULL**** as in **.

 

at first: i can´t edit the fcking page nor can i create a discussion page.

 

2nd i am playing the game as an app on a smart phone. rune bg´s aint giving runes. they aint giving runes i am so sure of that, that i am even betting money on this one. someone is willled to bet against it? how about you Lord Oberon ? 

 

2.1 nd the payout or so called maxing payout doesnt work either. i did a normal battle ground (lvl 23), nearly finished it and did then another normal bg (lvl 21) and returned then to the first one..... no payout.

before this and after this, i did several bg´s no payout....  some time ago i did bg´s without thinking and strategies and got in total 2 payouts. but it was some timeeee ago. after these payouts i did several bg´s and used more then 3k of archers and 1,2k of dwarfs and no payout.

 

this guide at http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips is just so useless.

is it understandable when i wanna shoot the person who wrote it, straight in the head ?

Nope, I'd have to say that definitely makes you a bit crazy :P

oldboy0815 said:

Lord Oberon said:

My Lords, the information in the wiki is collected and written by other players as you. If you have your own facts, strategies to share, you can also write an article here.

 

 

http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips ....

 

YOU SURE ? NO LYING NOR OTHER STUFF ? CAUSE THE SO CALLED FACTS ON THIS PAGE ARE BULL**** as in **.

 

at first: i can´t edit the fcking page nor can i create a discussion page.

 

2nd i am playing the game as an app on a smart phone. rune bg´s aint giving runes. they aint giving runes i am so sure of that, that i am even betting money on this one. someone is willled to bet against it? how about you Lord Oberon ? 

 

2.1 nd the payout or so called maxing payout doesnt work either. i did a normal battle ground (lvl 23), nearly finished it and did then another normal bg (lvl 21) and returned then to the first one..... no payout.

before this and after this, i did several bg´s no payout....  some time ago i did bg´s without thinking and strategies and got in total 2 payouts. but it was some timeeee ago. after these payouts i did several bg´s and used more then 3k of archers and 1,2k of dwarfs and no payout.

 

this guide at http://wiki.plarium.com/index.php?title=Battlegrounds%3A_Tips is just so useless.

is it understandable when i wanna shoot the person who wrote it, straight in the head ?

My Lord! I ask you to controll your expressions. 

If you are playing mobile version, this forum is for you >>http://forum.plarium.com/en/stormfallrob/

Stormfall: Age of War and Stormfall: Rise of Balur are totally different games. So, the mechanics, rewards, Quests can differ. 

I think I must be missing something here. If the rewards from attacking battlegrounds is less than the cost of the losses you get from the attack, then what is the reason to attack at all?

Early on, especially, I suppose it's a way of converting low level units into higher level units, potentially needing less food to support?

Maybe the margin is made up by advances in levels and the rewards associated with that?

On the whole, though, I find attacking battlegrounds isn't a winning strategy.

SeriousSummer said:

I think I must be missing something here. If the rewards from attacking battlegrounds is less than the cost of the losses you get from the attack, then what is the reason to attack at all?

Early on, especially, I suppose it's a way of converting low level units into higher level units, potentially needing less food to support?

Maybe the margin is made up by advances in levels and the rewards associated with that?

On the whole, though, I find attacking battlegrounds isn't a winning strategy.

Then you're not doing it right ;) 

If you aren't making a profit off battlegrounds then you should rethink your strategy. 

Clearly, but to what? I've tried overwhelming force. I've tried just enough force. I've tried sending someone in to lose so I know what I'm facing. Once and awhile I hit a big score, but overall I seem to lose more units than I gain.

So what's your trick? And why did you send the Silent Ones in with your force. What do they add?

What you send in the final hit influences the type of troops you win.  I wanted griphons, and I increased the likelihood of getting them by including silent ones. 

To do well in battlegrounds you have to follow the banking chart.  Troop payouts are based on resource value of troops lost since the last payout, and you have to load a certain amount of resources in before you can get a payout on a given level of bg. 

Also, the bgs seem generally pay out better during global missions, so this is the best time to do them. 

My Lord! This calculator wasn't created by Plarium, that's why I cannot suggest you to use it or guarantee you good results.

If you have received some insignificant reward, this means that the rest of the payout will be issued over some period of time. If you sum up all the rewards you are given within a certain period, you will see that your payout takes 95-98% of your total losses for the same period. 

Ultron said:

Every bg has different composition, and hence one cannot plot an accurate chart showing losses or how much troops it will take. But there is a minimum amount of off/def power required to clear every bg that may be considered the optimum

hi ultron you are a moderator here thats cool pal :) you dint said that tho ... 

Elixia said:

I really appreciate all the various comments here. I've been trying to work out what approach to take to BGs and am thoroughly confused by all the information and misinformation out there. For us first timer low levels, (I've been playing nearly 3 weeks for Lev 44) - it seems that the only benefit is getting access to troops that I can't purchase with resources yet.

Lord Oberon referred us to the Plarium Wiki which suggests sending single archers to glean info from BGs, which sounded sensible. Others are saying that's a waste of time. I don't understand all this hidden bank stuff - but from reading all the above, the simplest strategy seems to me to be - always work through BGs in increasing order of difficulty - that way you will eventually get rewarded at a reasonable level. My idea won't work if the bank 'clicks over' when you start with the lower level, so I suggest you work in increasing order until you get reimbursed, then and only then go back to lower levels.

Is my 'logic' flawed my Lords?

That's a basic strategy which will have better results than just randomly hitting them, but you're unlikely to actually make a profit from them unless you understand and follow the banking system.  Join a good league, they'll help teach you about how to do bgs.  If you join one of the KingofKings leagues, we will help train you on teamspeak.  Several other leagues offer similar training, but I'm not sure which ones or how accurate they are, you'd have to check around. 

Some of the info on the plarium wiki is accurate, but a lot of it isn't. 

kaycee said:

I think if we focus on the hints and follow lord oberons advice, we'd do well

Go for it then ;)

Not to be too slow, but a return of 95% to 98% seems like a perpetually losing system. I wouldn't invest in a stock that has a guaranteed negative return of 2-5%. I'm level 67 and can create reasonably powerful units. I'm not short of food. So why in the world would I waste my time on battlegrounds?

It's like Vegas. After the House gets its cut, we're all losers.

I see the point. But

warlock 1k attack for 3 food

paladin 80k attack for 1 food

1 warlock approximates 12.5 paladins

3 food compared to 12. 5 food

That's a significant gain. But:

1 dragon 2k attack for 4 food

2 warlocks 2k attack for 6 food

The better units you can create on your own, the less benefit to using battlegrounds, as far as I can see.

I HAVE A QUESTION THEN. IS ANYONE WILLING TO SPEND A BIT OF TIME EXPLAINING THE BATTLEGROUNDS TO ME MORE? I HAVE TEAMSPEAK ON MY COMP IF THAT MAKES IT EASIER. I'D APPRECIATE IT MUCH.

THANK YOU

-REV-

I'm hardly an expert on bgs, but I can say the primary utility (other than event rewards) in doing bgs is to convert weaker troops to stronger ones.  For higher levels able to produce the better troops themselves, I'm not sure if it saves them any resources to game the bg bank.  For me, bgs are profitable because the best troops I can make, even with technologies maxed, are still weaker than the unimproved versions of the better troops.  For higher level players, being able to control what troops you get (aka, making it yourself rather than gambling on bg) might make more sense.  For instance, fully improved golems are stronger than unimproved griffons.  A bg reward of golems would be awesome, but by comparison, a reward of griffons would suck.  

hi all

i will try to explain what i have found during months and months searching in fb and the net.

when i bank i count all resources including food (i think u have to include food at the moment you also get food in resources reward) i know some people does not include it but my playing and getting rewards goes, by now, in right way including it.

dont know if banks resets to zero in some moment (suppose it reset to zero in the moment ur reward is equal or almos equal to ur expenses) in the example in point 2 give by predrator in my calcs still 800 remains in my bank and go for the next reward adding that 800 in my expenses.

your point 3 predator i think is the real grial searching, lol i have spent a lot of time trying to get which amount is necesary for each level of bg's but nobody knows o nobody wants to share the info. the closest info i have found is from a russian guy and the calc he SELLS (O_O) in an fb page and it seems it works barely aprox. some people looks for info in fb battleground pages and looking for a level and its payout and calculate aprox. the payout f.e. if a level 45 pays arround 8.6 millions they spent that amount plus an x % more.

what i have noticed is most of people that controls bgs usually dont share the info to people they dont know or are not in their leagues or even if they know how to program excel sheets they try to sell you their app to control ur bg hittings. incredible.

hope this can help all you

regards

PS:sorry for my english. :p

Lord!

The regular Battlegrounds collect the so-called "Bank" to increase your payout chance. However, one can hardly predict when exactly the payout is going to be made.

Lord Oberon said:

Lord!

The regular Battlegrounds collect the so-called "Bank" to increase your payout chance. However, one can hardly predict when exactly the payout is going to be made.

Actually, with the right math you can predict when you will get a payout with a very high degree of accuracy.  It's not perfect, but it's certainly better than guesswork.