Inactives owned? right.... lol... If someone is sitting on a inactive castle, it doesn't make it theirs. Raid them, get the resources, if you seen the same player been sitting on it for a good while, you can assume the target is fat. no need to send spies to give early warning. Players that cry and feel entitled to fifes as THEIRS, give them the middle finger and raid them.You quit. that is the only way to go about it. Just quit Buddy.
Inactives are owned. they have people owing them
people who feel entitled to them
OR you can fight for them, Coin like Most guys, and hopefully stay, for a while till you get broke, and you have creditors running you down
Medivh said:
Dunno but for the regular players like me and my brother (both non-coiners) this is like a hit bellow the belt. If plarium wants to ruin his game and to lose players. YEAH keep it going that is the right direction :(
So if you can't benefit from something that is illegal and is exploiting the game, then Plarium is ruin your game?
TO be honest i do use bots i don't use them regularly or base my game play on them i just raid them from time to time to get a few extra resources but mostly i have all inactive castles that i can get good resources from added to my contacts so i just need to look up my contacts at which castles i haven't got 50k from this week and raid them, if you raid them correctly and know which ones get good resources they can be move beneficial than bots, Just do the legwork and find the inactive and add them to contacts.
As for sieges i never siege bots they are simply not worth it. find castles in your area that are not very active and seige them much better and not as many lost resources from other players attacking the bots you have sieged.bots have had no negative effect on my play, i cannot see a difference in any play towards me due to players purchasing from gold farmers. the only negative effects in any play towards me are from plarium mtx and alts. unless the coiners with alts are also buying from gold farmers then there has been no negative effect in any play towards me due to the bots. since i have not seen any negative effects in any play towards me i thought that they were content from plarium to supplement resources.
buy resources, no effect, no difference in my game. plarium mtx does the same.
extra scrolls, no effect, no difference in my game. plarium mtx does the same.
attacked by 10m offense or more, no effect, no difference in my game. unless you are stating that the 150 to 200 of each legendary is being printed by gold farmers and sold to players that i thought were coiners. plarium mtx coiners that is.
i have no interest in beacons, no effect, no difference in my game.
10m defense or more on a castle, no effect, no difference in my game due to alts.
free resources? those resources cost me 3 hrs per day in the limited irl resources of time, focus, energy and effort. however they do give me a chance to play the game my way with as little human contact as possible.
the only difference is whether the money is spent on plarium or an outside source. a company should be the one to make money from their product. not hackers. that is the only argument.
a company should also offer value in their true product. all i'm saying.
a game of value is worthy of 10 to 15 usd a month subscription.
millions of potential spenders at that level of spending equal to a subscription, with current mtx model, compared to 100's that overpay now.
the money is out there. the valuable content is not.
"What you want from the game and what you get from the game is two different things. It is what it is". exactly.
Gadheras said:
johanrayne said:
a game of value is worthy of 10 to 15 usd a month subscription.
millions of potential spenders at that level of spending equal to a subscription, with current mtx model, compared to 100's that overpay now.
the money is out there. the valuable content is not.
"What you want from the game and what you get from the game is two different things. It is what it is". exactly.
This game is not worth a sub of 10-15 USD a month, maybe 5. Look at other mmo's out there that offer premium (sub) options and what you get for the cost. swtor, ESO, EVE, and others.
I would very much like a sub based option for Stormfall, but it will never happen, even though Plarium kinda made it sub based due to a certain item they introduced that you can only pay for with cash. The booster that add to your off/def. you just have to assume anyone use it, and if you don't yourself you at disadventage. I would pritty much claim that is a way to force players to spend money.
i stated that i would not pay a sub for this game as is. i agree it is not worth it. it doesn't need to become sub based, it just needs to become valuable enough for a larger player base to want to play it and be willing to spend 10 usd per month in mtx.
at 4 50/50's per month, that is a 40 dollar sub per month just for 1 item that favors heavy coiners. that by itself is a turnoff to regular people willing to pay subs.
how many players quit when they found out the only way to build their castle walls was through mtx. why play longer than when you reach that part of the tutorial. just quit.
Plarium put the bots in game. Who would make all them and just made them for everyone to collect resources from raiding? So Plarium downgraded how much resources are getting produced. This means they want to try to get people to spend to buy sketches to increase production. Its not worth $ to do this.
Also, dead castles are not worth raiding. Most are not high enough to get good raids from. Take away bots and most wont waste there time playing game.
Any player who dont spend money to help with development is looking at a huge disadvantage. Its not easy for them to research lost arts and keep upgrading buildings and still train troops. Most people know this attack the non coiners cause they chicken out to attack anyone else. Sad how people low enough to spend money on game attack others who dont spend.
cat in the hat said:
Plarium put the bots in game. Who would make all them and just made them for everyone to collect resources from raiding? So Plarium downgraded how much resources are getting produced. This means they want to try to get people to spend to buy sketches to increase production. Its not worth $ to do this.
You for real? lol..
Check this thread @ http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/off-topic/topics/stop-sending-me-spam-messages-for-plarium-club-com-using-master/
These and others are the ones that put bots in the game.
its a fracking pvp game you are playing. If someone want to hit and plunder you daily and use you as their personal farm, well that is part of the game. Accept it or find something else to play.
Resources are plentiful in the game since so many people are quitting. BEFORE bots appeared in the game I spent hours on the map scouting for inactive castles to raid. It takes time but go to the map and search around your castle & don't be afraid to go than a 5 minute spy mission. When you find an inactive that is good add it to your contact list. You will have unlimited resources and when you are in a hurry to hit a couple quick raids then use the bots. I find most bot lines a pain, people get possessive and put defense troops in them after you spy to purposely kill your thieves. Honestly more trouble than they are worth. Everyone wants those high level bot lines, personally I need food more than anything else so those are worthless to me.I send spy missions two or three hours out at times. The bot fields can be suicidal. I am one of the few that spy each time first. I cannot afford to lose thieves. The local castleas are mostly under level thirty so the 10 raid per day limitation is extremely restictive, so I must spend several hours each day spying and raiding. Without bots that time will double. However, I personnlay do not encourage keeping bot fields they are another place greedy people can set PVP traps.
Lady Nerium KT-S2 said:
It is puzzling to me that if Plarium objects to the bots so much, they just don't delete them? It's not like they're hard to spot? Email warning to the player that if they don't reply they will be deleted, then bin them?
When you see them on the map, it's really not hard to guess what they are. However, there's always a chance that a real player can be affected. Our Support Team uses several methods to check the suspicious accounts and identify if they're bots or not.
But nobody from Plarium is checking the map to spot bots. Our Support Team only reacts on tickets sent by players. That's why we ask our players to report them to Support where the necessary measures will be taken.
As for the idea with email, not everyone reads emails from us. Many players would consider such mails as spam. Moreover, for some players our letters are actually filtered by their email provider. So there's a great risk to affect regular players.
Right now our Support doesn't plan to change the workflow with violation reports. Players report - they check and react.It is puzzling to me that if Plarium objects to the bots so much, they just don't delete them? It's not like they're hard to spot? Email warning to the player that if they don't reply they will be deleted, then bin them?
johanrayne said:
a game of value is worthy of 10 to 15 usd a month subscription.
millions of potential spenders at that level of spending equal to a subscription, with current mtx model, compared to 100's that overpay now.
the money is out there. the valuable content is not.
"What you want from the game and what you get from the game is two different things. It is what it is". exactly.
This game is not worth a sub of 10-15 USD a month, maybe 5. Look at other mmo's out there that offer premium (sub) options and what you get for the cost. swtor, ESO, EVE, and others.
johanrayne said:
if you read what i say: i state that there has been no effect to me for 1 year and 3 months. no effect. i cannot change this reality of manifestation come to fruition.
you speak of a hypothetical that for 1 year and 3 months has not effected me. it has not come to a manifested fruition in reality. only in your hypothetical has it effected me, not in the true manifestation. i cannot change this.
i am stating the reality that in my sandbox, players purchasing from gold farmers has not effected my game. the ripples have not touched me. this is not a hypothetical. it is the true manifestation of fruition.
i am stating facts. i can only see from those facts. what from my posts sounds like i don't care. i have stated facts and i have stated my views. what part of that makes you believe that i am selfish or demand entitlement.
one last time: in the actual, factual manifested experience of my gameplay i have not seen any negative effect on my game by the bots that have existed. and yes bot castles have filled a void for me left by the developers. and yes there are more players like me than there are of other groupings. most won't play this game as it is. as for the ones who are they are simply saying if they get backed into a corner anymore than they are. there is no reason to play this game that is not developed for them anyhow. idk how many times i can repeat myself, but, you are right i do not care, so one last time the game is flawed for a much larger customer base than the one it caters too. we are at fault for playing, we only stick around because of how much we have put into the game. when we are selfish, can't see, don't care and act like we are entitled because we state what we want from the game, and the only response is "this game is not for you" we need to quit and stop letting others know what game we do want. for if we continue, that truly makes "US" the slow class.
you are right: i do not care.
Plarium stated many times the game is not for everyone, saying its hardcore, the reality of things its very much pay to win, and keep remind you every day to spend spend spend. The free to play route is very, VERY slow, but its the route you have to accept if you want to keep play the game and not spend any. The large customer base you speak of is in reality no customer base if they don't spend any.
What you want from the game and what you get from the game is two different things. It is what it is.
if you read what i say: i state that there has been no effect to me for 1 year and 3 months. no effect. i cannot change this reality of manifestation come to fruition.
you speak of a hypothetical that for 1 year and 3 months has not effected me. it has not come to a manifested fruition in reality. only in your hypothetical has it effected me, not in the true manifestation. i cannot change this.
i am stating the reality that in my sandbox, players purchasing from gold farmers has not effected my game. the ripples have not touched me. this is not a hypothetical. it is the true manifestation of fruition.
i am stating facts. i can only see from those facts. what from my posts sounds like i don't care. i have stated facts and i have stated my views. what part of that makes you believe that i am selfish or demand entitlement.
one last time: in the actual, factual manifested experience of my gameplay i have not seen any negative effect on my game by the bots that have existed. and yes bot castles have filled a void for me left by the developers. and yes there are more players like me than there are of other groupings. most won't play this game as it is. as for the ones who are they are simply saying if they get backed into a corner anymore than they are. there is no reason to play this game that is not developed for them anyhow. idk how many times i can repeat myself, but, you are right i do not care, so one last time the game is flawed for a much larger customer base than the one it caters too. we are at fault for playing, we only stick around because of how much we have put into the game. when we are selfish, can't see, don't care and act like we are entitled because we state what we want from the game, and the only response is "this game is not for you" we need to quit and stop letting others know what game we do want. for if we continue, that truly makes "US" the slow class.
you are right: i do not care.
johanrayne said:
bots have had no negative effect on my play, i cannot see a difference in any play towards me due to players purchasing from gold farmers. the only negative effects in any play towards me are from plarium mtx and alts. unless the coiners with alts are also buying from gold farmers then there has been no negative effect in any play towards me due to the bots. since i have not seen any negative effects in any play towards me i thought that they were content from plarium to supplement resources.
buy resources, no effect, no difference in my game. plarium mtx does the same.
extra scrolls, no effect, no difference in my game. plarium mtx does the same.
attacked by 10m offense or more, no effect, no difference in my game. unless you are stating that the 150 to 200 of each legendary is being printed by gold farmers and sold to players that i thought were coiners. plarium mtx coiners that is.
i have no interest in beacons, no effect, no difference in my game.
10m defense or more on a castle, no effect, no difference in my game due to alts.
free resources? those resources cost me 3 hrs per day in the limited irl resources of time, focus, energy and effort. however they do give me a chance to play the game my way with as little human contact as possible.
the only difference is whether the money is spent on plarium or an outside source. a company should be the one to make money from their product. not hackers. that is the only argument.
a company should also offer value in their true product. all i'm saying.
Lets say... your neighbour castle, hire services from the bots. He get super boosted with resources, scrolls, units,,,, then he focus on you... what does that not effect you? Like it or not we play in a sandbox. There is ripple effects, its ludacris of you to think these doesn't affect you one way or the other, because it does.
Like one bot create a small ripple, many bots create a lot of ripples. It's silly to argue with someone that doesn't care or can't see what harm it does in the bigger picture because they so selfish and feeling entitled.
johanrayne said:
again i have seen the effects of gold farmers in other games, and i simply cannot see an effect in this one.
Say what?
You can buy resources shipped to your door daily for a week for a few bucks, have your warehouse filled daily. Not a problem?
Get extra scrolls not a problem?
Hire units to boost your results in tournaments not a problem?
Hire units to act as fooder taking becons not a problem?
+ other stuff....
and this is not a problem as long as you get your free resources... right?
geeze.
Drogar61 said:
Without wish to support any side of this conversation only one (or two) things are important
bots and alts are not defined in this game
So, they are illegal or even forbidden, and while this game has such rules they should be eliminated on any way.
I have nothing against the bots. Make them publicly defined, announce their seeding (as beacons), fill them with anything (orcs or regular troops) or nothing, but they have to be defined and equally positioned on the board.
On the other hand, I want opportunity to have several castles, to build something, to plan anything what I could with them. Again, regular. Not on this way where half players have owner built or inherited from former mates and friends.
In the future Plarium could to change any of these rules as it did so many times in the past with other elements of the game.
But currently, this is a Plarium's shame. Dirty exploitation and acceptance of the situation as it is, with the possibility that every wrongdoer can be punished by allowing him to spend money or killing alt account when it is convenient for Plarium.
Dirty and shameful.
yes drogar these are my points, there are those of us that want to build for the sake of building, we also want pve opportunities. pve plus an opportunity to build an empire is what many want, including many castles that quit after the first weekend. a personal empire, not just league empires. and to do so with game resources. "including the walls to those castles".
ultimately the bot castles would need to be deleted. and plarium would need to develop new content.
@gadheras
the bot castles are beneficial as content for players. as to the harm they may inflict in the game, i have not visibly seen it. what i have seen is plarium mtx and alts by high ranking players. i have not come into contact with players who have gained an advantage by purchasing from gold farmers. either players who purchase from gold farmers purchase such small amounts from gold farmers that i don't see it compared to coiners or the ones who purchase are the coiners.
again i have seen the effects of gold farmers in other games, and i simply cannot see an effect in this one.
Without wish to support any side of this conversation only one (or two) things are important
bots and alts are not defined in this game
So, they are illegal or even forbidden, and while this game has such rules they should be eliminated on any way.
I have nothing against the bots. Make them publicly defined, announce their seeding (as beacons), fill them with anything (orcs or regular troops) or nothing, but they have to be defined and equally positioned on the board.
On the other hand, I want opportunity to have several castles, to build something, to plan anything what I could with them. Again, regular. Not on this way where half players have owner built or inherited from former mates and friends.
In the future Plarium could to change any of these rules as it did so many times in the past with other elements of the game.
But currently, this is a Plarium's shame. Dirty exploitation and acceptance of the situation as it is, with the possibility that every wrongdoer can be punished by allowing him to spend money or killing alt account when it is convenient for Plarium.
Dirty and shameful.
johanrayne said:
@gadheras
i do get it. i am speaking of future gameplay. and possible future population. everything i have stated i still stand by. alts are also illegal, as i mentioned in another thread. the alts are those of high level respected coin players. do these not hurt the game more than bots? since they are the population and not just gold farmers?
i do understand. i know the game that plarium got the idea to put 250m players number out there. in that game they did have 10's of millions of bots. they also have players with 100's of alts that feed their mains. i understand inflated #'s.
i am not arguing with you. other than that the current model is severely flawed and that players voicing their opinion on what they want from a game shouldn't be harassed for it.
i understand bots were not intended as part of the game by the "developers". the bot castles happened to be a benefit in the game for real players despite the lack of valuable content by the "developers".
i do see and understand both sides.
bots are not beneficial for anyone. Just because you can benefit from the resources you get from them, the drawbacks with all the other issues around them is more severe than any benefit you can get.
