soooooo...why have a defense at all?

if you only get points for dfense troops lost and not what you killed, 

why not just make your defense troops entirely out of archers and let them get slaughtered.  no need for those expensive food eating bestiary units.

Tony Hobson said:

 so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

we h ave been doing that for a year. thats why plarium is making desperate grabs at ways to make more money off of saphires.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

When I make mistake I apologize. So, I apologize for my reaction.

Just a little explanation, I couldn't find it, your search couldn't find it. I'm glad that you found it, that was goal.

About your rule. If you implement your rule in all you could close forum because 90% posts on your posts exactly break that rule.

And, if you do that, many public forums, not under your control, will get that posts. I'm happy hear, and everything else is up to you.

Do you have some rule about punishment Plarium representatives for ignorance, lies and arrogance? Maybe the players should need them one day.

Lord Gadheras,

discussion against Community manager is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. Furthermore, you've used "bad language" again despite issued warning. Therefore, you're temporarily banned during next seven days.

IronApex Turok said:

nothing makes sense in the game anymore. 

And you continue to play. Where is the logic in that, if it makes no sense?  

Nemanja said:

Lord Gadheras,

discussion against Community manager is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. Furthermore, you've used "bad language" again despite issued warning. Therefore, you're temporarily banned during next seven days.

you guys are having to defend yourselves an awful lot. the resentment towards plarium is growing and i think it has a lot to do with the community managers attitudes.

the fact that there is a rule against complaining is a HUGE sign.   

like Drogar said, if you banned everyone who complained you moderators would be all alone here. this forum has turned into nothing but complaining about the mistakes of plarium (and with good reason).

Tony Hobson said:

... so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

My lords,

Instead of fighting and arguing with irrelevant things why do not suggest your ideas of how the game can get better?

So far, I've seen that Plarium has given life to many ideas from the players of this community. Be a bit positive. With anger you will not achieve what you wish. Even if you are correct, when you place your statements under bad language and offending the people who are trying to help you and understand your concerns, you are loosing your right!

Suggest your ideas of how the game can be better there: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/suggestions-and-feedback/

May you return Victorious from your quests!

Lord Gadheras,

discussion against Community manager is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. Furthermore, you've used "bad language" again despite issued warning. Therefore, you're temporarily banned during next seven days.

Drogar61 said:

When I make mistake I apologize. So, I apologize for my reaction.

Just a little explanation, I couldn't find it, your search couldn't find it. I'm glad that you found it, that was goal.

Our Search option is not perfect. I've already contacted our Forum developers and asked them for some improvements. They will redesign Search feature in future Forum updates, but this task doesn't have a high priority now.

Makes me ponder, who do we complain about forum mods to? Oberon?

cat in the hat said:

the way i look at it, the more force for def or off the better. sure you dont get as many pvp points but u make your enemy suffer more losses then they probably wanted. For an example i have a guy who thinks my castle is a 7 eleven to raid for resources. One time he came for resources and got destroyed. I believe guy sent 120k off and lost all of it and i only lost 2k def.  Yes, i only got 1500 pvp points but was fun watching guy coming to kill himself.f

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

Tony Hobson said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed.

"So defenders only get decent points if they take heavy losses, but attackers always get good points even when they suffer zero losses?

That seems fair - not

I thought the whole point of building castle walls was to reduce our defensive losses and increase the attacker's losses, but this will also reduce our tournament points??

Further proof that plarium hates defenders - so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?"

what they said, thumbs up

p.s.  if you want pvp points for defending.............DON'T BUY WALLS AND IMPROVEMENTS WITH REAL WORLD CASH.  DUH

except that that is not true based on the mechanic of "you get defense pvp points based on loss"  the more clan members that pile on the defense the fewer troops are lost, thus fewer pvp points.  the point is not reducing losses. the point is that on defense you only get points through loss.

killing the attacker in greater amounts does not increase individual pvp points because there are zero points awarded for those kills.  that is based on the mechanic of "defense pvp points are based on defensive loss".

Spot the difference

Attacker - http://prntscr.com/bh2xbl

Defender - http://prntscr.com/bh2dxq

2 (virtually) identical armies clash at a neutral castle and the defender is victorious - Hooray!!

... but defender loses 56% and only gets 301 tournament points

The attacker is defeated, but only loses 50% and is given 315 tournament points

It seems to me that victory and defeat have no meaning in this game because the attacker will always win.
He will always lose fewer units but will gain more points, even when the 2 armies have the same overall strength.
This shows a blatant game bias - defender always loses an extra 6% and gets fewer points.

Defensive strength - http://prntscr.com/bh1kls
26980/19x20 = 28400 infantry defense

Offensive strength - http://prntscr.com/bh1jip

Please try to prove me wrong - but show screenshots and calculations

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed. Moreover, our game is not about local fights, it's about epic battles. the more the battle, the more points you gain 

That's actually not true, you do get points for killing offense while defending.  However, if you lose less than a certain amount of troops in a defense battle (seems to be somewhere around 50k defense) the points you get for the battle are greatly reduced. This reduction applies only for the defender, not for the attacker.  If you are attacking with a large enough force and overwhelm the defender by enough, you can get lots of points while taking zero losses.  Say I have 200 million offense, and I find a low level player with their entire 500k defense on a hamlet.  I could hit it, destroy every one of their troops while taking zero losses myself, and get around 10k pvp. 
This is how the bullying happens, the bully is nearly always the attacker and not the defender. 

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

richard.plantagenet said:

Drogar61 said:

I can't find because somebody clever remove and/or protect old posts, but for Plarium stuff ( ) should be very important to read some old posts - discussions had much more sense (I didn't understand how answer could be empty and I wasn't satisfied with them - but after today's comments old ones have precious value).

Point for today is:

There is Lord Oberon's post about battle calculation, pretty much revealed and explained about battle mechanics. Read it for your good.

I assume that you are referring to this - http://prntscr.com/bgrn44

taken from facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/StormfallCommunity/photos/a.455590444492138.114079.450552231662626/993694780681699/?type=3&theater

Simplified this becomes B/(A+B)

Unfortunately, this algorithm has been nerfed, adding an EXTRA 5% casualties to defender's losses .... as usual, attackers do not suffer from this nerf

If you need to see this nerf in action then send 100 pikes to attack 200 archers at any low level castle with no walls etc. (identical strength armies)

Defender will win the battle, but lose a higher percentage of units than the attacker - and is still likely to get fewer tournament points

Exactly, congrats 

Drogar61 said:

I can't find because somebody clever remove and/or protect old posts, but for Plarium stuff ( ) should be very important to read some old posts - discussions had much more sense (I didn't understand how answer could be empty and I wasn't satisfied with them - but after today's comments old ones have precious value).

Point for today is:

There is Lord Oberon's post about battle calculation, pretty much revealed and explained about battle mechanics. Read it for your good.

I assume that you are referring to this - http://prntscr.com/bgrn44

taken from facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/StormfallCommunity/photos/a.455590444492138.114079.450552231662626/993694780681699/?type=3&theater

Simplified this becomes B/(A+B)

Unfortunately, this algorithm has been nerfed, adding an EXTRA 5% casualties to defender's losses .... as usual, attackers do not suffer from this nerf

If you need to see this nerf in action then send 100 pikes to attack 200 archers at any low level castle with no walls etc. (identical strength armies)

Defender will win the battle, but lose a higher percentage of units than the attacker - and is still likely to get fewer tournament points