Hello everybody,
Here you can post your experience and opinion about persians and the newly modified system of rewarding there.
Is there somthing wrong with them, or now system is more ballanced?
no balance anymore
i lost today 25M offense
bank is not working anymore
boosts with 50% are not effective , you will loose much more then before
hope they fix it soon otherwise only casual palying
Server update ??
will fix persians ??
any message to support , will be not answered. And if you get an answer , it will be very polite and give you no real help in your matter.
we are all like dummies for them, we have to test out everything, if it is wrong , you are happy to find the bug , but what you loose is gone forever and they dont care . this is real good service on the costumer.
You lost 25mil offense. now you use another 5mil offense to recover from PP. so total u invest 30mil. you get payout of 15mil. 50% straight loss. good game and enjoy lolServer update ??
will fix persians ??
any message to support , will be not answered. And if you get an answer , it will be very polite and give you no real help in your matter.
we are all like dummies for them, we have to test out everything, if it is wrong , you are happy to find the bug , but what you loose is gone forever and they dont care . this is real good service on the costumer.
Why do you think they're pointless, EBOLA?I just explained the entire mechanics. 50% straight loss. was i wrong?
Fully agree. Had the same experience only with deffPersian Positions are just pathetic since the upgrade. I used to hit them heavy. I had over 10 000 Agemas that I used to smash them with. Now they are nearly all gone. Swapped for Sarrs. I don't even think that the bank works anymore. I messaged Plarium and told them that I thought that there must be a bug with the new Upgrade for persians. I told them that I am down 35 Million Offense. There reply to me was just ridiculous, links to beginners pages explaining how persians worked.
Something has to be done. I used to enjoy Persians. Now I just play them trying to get my troops back and digging myself a bigger hole.
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Why do you think they're pointless, EBOLA?The PP used to me an effective way of upgrading light and heavy, at 80% loss that was OK and only slightly worse than the best 2x pvp tourneys. Now the losses seem to be larger there is no point to it.
ebola said:
The PP used to me an effective way of upgrading light and heavy, at 80% loss that was OK and only slightly worse than the best 2x pvp tourneys. Now the losses seem to be larger there is no point to it.
But we didn't increase "losses". In fact, only one strategy was affected by the change.
And changes were not about getting payouts later, or with bigger losses. It was about not getting overwhelming payouts (actually there were only a few players who really were affected by the change).Well u changed the one bar system which could influence normal players and payouts. If the one bar changes make the payout suck then depending on how it works then people who play normally could still be affected by this change.
Let say if i 1 bar 1 positions and complete all others normally will the payout suck. There is no info on what affects this system has.
How many positions do u need to 1 bar before the system thinks your cheating.
What if u dont complete a position because u got no troops left, does the system flag u as a 1 bar cheater.
Since we dont know how system works, it could be punishing everyone since payouts suck.
Besides that the new level payout 140+ have less good rewards then lower positions.
Yes, our change has affected 1-bar strategy, But not the size of payouts you can get by using it. You will just need to 1-bar more Positions to receive a big payout than before.Well u changed the one bar system which could influence normal players and payouts. If the one bar changes make the payout suck then depending on how it works then people who play normally could still be affected by this change.
Let say if i 1 bar 1 positions and complete all others normally will the payout suck. There is no info on what affects this system has.
How many positions do u need to 1 bar before the system thinks your cheating.
What if u dont complete a position because u got no troops left, does the system flag u as a 1 bar cheater.
Since we dont know how system works, it could be punishing everyone since payouts suck.
Besides that the new level payout 140+ have less good rewards then lower positions.
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Yes, our change has affected 1-bar strategy, But not the size of payouts you can get by using it. You will just need to 1-bar more Positions to receive a big payout than before.
I do not think you understand what everyone keeps saying. Please allow me to explain it in most simplest terms using hypothetical examples too.
Bottom line is Plarium capped max bank loan (reward) but did not cap the max repayment for the bank loan so here are my hypothetical examples for you based on you hitting the max payout at level 125 and then repaying the loan and hitting 125 for the next reward and SO ON and SO ON:
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 90 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 100 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 110 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 120 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 130 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources, paid loan 140 million resources
Level 125: max payout 100 million resources paid loan, 150 million resources
I can keep going but I hope and pray you finally get the point of what everyone is saying rather than assume it's the actual method of playing Persians that we are complaining about.
Bank loan is capped but repayment is not capped and increases each time you pay it back
GODlikePOWers said:
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Alyona, how can it give one more (extra) payout when the max payout has already just been paid out? Or are you saying that, in fact, that is exactly what will happen?
Let's say your chain continues. There will be a moment when you will need to pay 200+ mil to receive a 100 mil payout. But as the bank already has 100+ mil extra, shouldn't it give you one more 100 mil payout without new investments? Just curious, if you've been at that point.
No, I'm just asking. I still don't understand why should the % increase each time if you get the same payout? Shouldn't it be like
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested?
As the % depends on your last payout, not on your last investment. (in that case it would be like RIX said: 100-110, then 100-120, then 100-130, etc).
That's the last question, I promise :)
No, ideally, you should always get a payout of 10% over your repayment. But like I said, at some point the loan is capped but the repayment is not and if you continue to play Persians you will eventually lose your entire army and never benefit again.GODlikePOWers said:
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Alyona, how can it give one more (extra) payout when the max payout has already just been paid out? Or are you saying that, in fact, that is exactly what will happen?
Let's say your chain continues. There will be a moment when you will need to pay 200+ mil to receive a 100 mil payout. But as the bank already has 100+ mil extra, shouldn't it give you one more 100 mil payout without new investments? Just curious, if you've been at that point.No, I'm just asking. I still don't understand why should the % increase each time if you get the same payout? Shouldn't it be like
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested
100 mil payout - 110 mil invested?
As the % depends on your last payout, not on your last investment. (in that case it would be like RIX said: 100-110, then 100-120, then 100-130, etc).
That's the last question, I promise :)
RIX said:
No, ideally, you should always get a payout of 10% over your repayment. But like I said, at some point the loan is capped but the repayment is not and if you continue to play Persians you will eventually lose your entire army and never benefit again.
I've never seen such players. And never heard of such situations from Support Team or from anyone in Plarium.
Let's check it on a real example. If you know any player with such issue, let me know his coords and I will check if everything is ok with his Positions.
I used to check some players who got to the top and raided many high-level Positions (in other games). And they didn't have such issue.
Of course I cannot reveal how the system works or what are the numbers, but I guess I can confirm if there is an issue you're talking about, or not. On a real example.
How do you feel about this idea?
Ok this is a real example:
Level 125-150 payout is 25,000 mounted pelts, THATS the end of the Game. You cannot get a payout higher than this forever and ever.
So now you must pay back 187,500,000 million in resources plus at least 10-20% interest back on the loan for the next payout which cannot be greater than 25,000 mounted pelts.
187,500,000 + 18,750,000 (10%) = 206,250,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT.
Next payout: 25,000 mounted pelts!
206,250,000 + 20,625,000 (10%) = 226,875,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT
Next payout = 25,000 mounted pelts!
These are the REAL MAXIMUM PAYOUTS BELOW:
25,000 Mounted Pelts
17,500 Promachos
7000 Agema
If you have received one of these payouts, that's the end of the line for payouts but the loan never caps, it just increases and increases.
Are those your results? I'd like to check some player's logs to see if it's really like that.Ok this is a real example:
Level 125-150 payout is 25,000 mounted pelts, THATS the end of the Game. You cannot get a payout higher than this forever and ever.
So now you must pay back 187,500,000 million in resources plus at least 10-20% interest back on the loan for the next payout which cannot be greater than 25,000 mounted pelts.
187,500,000 + 18,750,000 (10%) = 206,250,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT.
Next payout: 25,000 mounted pelts!
206,250,000 + 20,625,000 (10%) = 226,875,000 TOTAL AMOUNT MUST BE PAID BACK FOR THE NEXT PAYOUT
Next payout = 25,000 mounted pelts!
These are the REAL MAXIMUM PAYOUTS BELOW:
25,000 Mounted Pelts
17,500 Promachos
7000 Agema
If you have received one of these payouts, that's the end of the line for payouts but the loan never caps, it just increases and increases.
I totally agree. ALso more players would spend money on it. I would at least.Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Are those your results? I'd like to check some player's logs to see if it's really like that.Those are not my results. I am only halfway to that but I have seen dozens and dozens of these payouts on the Sparta Position calculator page on Facebook.
Like others have mentioned, if there was a BAR or Meter in the Oracle like there is for experience to next level, that showed you how far away you are from your next payout instead of all this calculation crap and guessing like this is a Casino, the number of players playing Persians would SKYROCKET and this game would have confidence restored. I GURANTEE IT
