Impressive 103 difference 
What happend to the terminators3, I thought they were a serious coalition 

I heard that you guys are fighting all terminators, is that true?

I don’t post much here, I mean I do read stuff sometimes... But I need to point something out here.

Alab I have read most of your 22 posts here on forum, and you really need to stop embarrassing yourself. But I guess that vultures need to write on forums. Let me put out some facts for you:

-   Terminators downgraded Crew's capital, and claimed that they didn’t know that Crew is a part of us Associates

-   After that we decided that time of peace is over

-   Leaving pans was a tactical move that we decided (we always were passing on tourneys, but now we can hit any1 that we want, game was         boring and this also made it more interesting for us)

-   They had 4-5 members in our coalitions that deflected to all their coalitions (I guess that speaks more of the mighty Terminators than us),            maybe they needed to have spies to hit us first

-   Our 2 poles left, but not because they were afraid I assure you, they decided to play their game different way, good and honest reason for my      book

-   Our capital was not downgraded, and it was never lvl 16 (so anything that you post here needs to be checked)

-   Just bunch of us Associates (only 2 coalitions) goin’ after 6 or 7 strong coalitions like Terminators, and you saying a word like afraid? Dud…

-   Crew's completely offense and defense wasn’t wrecked at all (fighting one of the largest coalitions bring loses, but what do you know about          this, right?)

-   Our primary goal was to put them of the first position, what we did

I actually had high opinion on Terminators, thought that they were honorable coalition and players, but their attitude to us was not decent at all.

You actually sound like a terminator, and let me remind you of your own words spoken here, more than few times:

‘’I'm non-sided but anxious to watch the battle.’’

So you just stay non-sided, fly like a vulture in circles and pick up whatever you can, while hiding in your acropolis and check your intel before you post here and embarrass yourself.

Words like ‘’afraid’’ coming from you is pointless (just reveals your state of mind), because we Associates goin’ to fight Terminators shows that we are determined and all we have is our word and balls, what we prove to be accurate.

Just to answer your question: Tsk…association, are you for real? Yes we are…

I’m sorry if I offended you in any way, but didn’t find anything interesting from you here. I don’t see Terminators players insulting us here, only you (but who knows where you come from and what is your benefit in all this, and all your posts on forum don’t have any real weight in them, except claim that NWO is multiple coalition with heavy force . And accuracy of your words is obviously questionable, at least).

All the questions from me are rhetorical, and that’s the story that you missed on…

So I give you one big HOAH! Although you or your posts don’t deserve it…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuYUzjNiZqk

GC Alab Supreme said:

Tsk...association, are you for real? You left out the WHOLE story! Have you forgotten that, at the cost of winning against Terminators 3, that your other coalition, Association Crew, have had their offense and defense completely wrecked by the Terminators family?? Or the fact that your coalition capital was downgraded? (Last time we saw you at 16, I believe).

Lets also note the fact that you guys used to have pantheons...and now you have zero territory. Were you scared that you gave up all your pans? So much for calling other people "weak". I have also heard that two of your poles have left for other coalitions, one of them for BoK...did you mention that?

You may have won against one coalition but you can't win against all. Expect heavier resistance next time...if there is a next time for you. For now, you are probably better off licking Association Crew's heavy wounds than blind raiding people out of anger, Spike

GC Alab....

First, our capital has never been downgraded. it is lvl 15 and never higher.

Second, all this started cause Terminators downgraded the capital of Association Crew, then they played dummy, as they know, telling they had no idea the crew was Association...then, as expected, Terms 3 and terms 2 attacked also that capital. Btw, Association Crew is stronger than ever, all their off is going up like a rocket...

Third, we gave our pans away cause we were bored with how the game was for us....now we can go and hit any MF in our way, and we dont care...u know why? cause we got nothing to loose, even if our capital is lvl 5 and we got no defense, we will keep beating the hell out of terms and all their coas...and as expected, they will keep loosing positions in the coa rank...we cause them their first spot and it is just the start...

Fourth, we dont expect to win anything, this will be a long war in which what I expect, as many of my friends in my coalition, it is to have fun just by screwing Terms coalitions.

I DID say that I am sorry and apologize if your coalition capital wasn't downgraded and i said it was...memory still a little fuzzy about that

anyways, I never said that two of your poles left because they were afraid, miind you that. I thought they left because they didn't like your playing style, and here you have proven me right.

I said I was non-sided in the battle between NWO and DEATH INC! How the heck do you expect me to be non sided when, yes, I am part of terminators.I mean come on, gman, if you read most of my post, and clicked on my profile, it should show that I am part of Terminators 300. Anyhow, if it is just a word like " A couple of associates going against 6 or 7 strong terminators", then why do you declare war just so that you can knock us off the first position?

This isn't my personal opinion. Just because I am the only one on forums posting this sh*t, doesn't mean I am the only one that thinks it. A bunch of people in my coalition also thinking the same thing; Spike is posting thinking that you won the whole war from a "weak" coalition, and yet look at how much damage we were still able to inflict. If you didn't get the whole point of my post, then don't reply. Terminators aren't weak just because you win a war; its the fact that both sides suffered heavy casualties that shows that one coalition isn't weak. If you really are willing too, judging by the header of your post, go ahead and put war against all of termiantors. lets how you survive

P.S., by the way, I never thought I had a person that read all 22 of my posts. Aww, I have a fan!

All very funny,  

There was a good post from a member pointing out that much of the story is left out.  I honestly think Spike has lost his grip with reality.  Although I have not really known him prior and he may have never had a grip on it to begin with.

Association,  Yes mad that Crews Capital was downgraded.   Unfortunately for them it has been downgraded further.  Additionally,  the Terms Family forcefully took Crews pans and passed them to others.  Association gave up their pans to Zyka in hopes to fight a gorilla war of which they are doing.  Additionally, scared to lose their capital they have placed all of their defense to the Cap to ensure they at least keep that.  That however has left their cities exposed resulting in the constant raiding and sieges.

They are in fact left weaker as a coalitions and only have a few key players that really contribute with troops.  Their Strategy remains to keep troops hidden and send Political Attacks at defending Terms.  That is what you see from the raid results.  Terms 3 has successfully raided more and siege more.   They did however lose in points.  There is an easy answer to this, Association hides and then uses Political attacks to destroy units while limiting point loss.  Additionally, with most of the defending force hiding in the cap and over force limit, it make Cap defense a major point gainer without loss.  

I know about the PAs as I had personally received 300+ Political attacks in a 24 hour period.  Yesterday it was directed at busta.  

I will break down these political attacks into money as I am kind of a numbers geek.

• Drachma Value .006USD per Drachma
• Political Attack - Damage 12600 Cost 500 Drac = $3.00 Per Attack (*300 = $900.00 wow I am honored)
• 
  
• Assuming all Attacks are successful killing a mixture of troops with a revive Average of 32.5% for free
• Actual Pol Damage = 8505 Off/Def Points
• Average Revive cost via Drachma per point = .02044
• Revive Cost 121.69 Drach -- Revive cost in USD $.73
• Remaining damage = 4095 Points
• Purchase cost of 4095 Points about 168.4397 Drach or $1.01
• Total Revive Cost 290.13 Drachma or $1.74

In conclusion, for every $3.00 spent on a POL I spend 1.74 to revive.  Granted these numbers fluctuate with boosts and discounts but it is irrelevant as they are offered to all of us. 

I think I will just go buy some more Agmas ;-)

It is understandable how the above damage numbers would then look deceiving.  However, not all of us are fooled by the point system.

Now lets talk about Pans.  

It has been no secret that Terms wanted to relinquish some of our pans to other coalitions.  Granted we had in mind to distribute them to specific Coalitions that may play strategic positions in the future.  Association has been proud to take down a few of these empty pans, however, in my opinion they have helped us in accelerating the process as we no longer have to worry about the few left over troops in  the pans owned by members that have yet to vacate them.  Regardless we hold max achievements for territory so it becomes of less use to us in the future.   Pans for us are for Orcs to create Vets and for those that don't know the reason why we really need vets is not for the increased damage nor the decrease in grain usage but ultimately the increase of the force limit.

In regards to many terms reactions.  It becomes increasingly frustrating when fighting a foe that in essence does not fight but prides themselves on hiding and needlessly throwing money away.  Some of our reactions are intimidation's in order to drive more members out of the enemy coalitions.   The reality is however that those members when they realize their leadership has deceived them into thinking that they are progressing when they are actually regressing.  The smart poles in my opinion bailed when they saw this and yes left to BOK or others.  I am actually surprised that  Spike has held it together this long. LOL,  I heard some non-sense that Association like to be under siege cuz they can hide troops cues.  To be honest, I like when they are under siege too, means my fast movers can take their resources with no danger of loss.  Then I just kill the troop build on the re-siege and if full of resources let my friends know they can raid it if they chose.  

Finally, if you consider the resource gain you could actually reduce the total revive cost as it is cheaper to boost production than outright purchase units. As for me, I try to stay organized in raids taking the most resources in the most efficient way.  Then build and spend the most efficient way. 

PhilipDupon86 said:

GC Alab Supreme said:

Tsk...association, are you for real? You left out the WHOLE story! Have you forgotten that, at the cost of winning against Terminators 3, that your other coalition, Association Crew, have had their offense and defense completely wrecked by the Terminators family?? Or the fact that your coalition capital was downgraded? (I apologize if I am wrong...last time I saw you at 16, I believe).

Lets also note the fact that you guys used to have pantheons...and now you have zero territory. Were you scared that you gave up all your pans? So much for calling other people "weak". I have also heard that two of your poles have left for other coalitions, one of them for BoK...did you mention that?

You may have won against one coalition but you can't win against all. Expect heavier resistance next time...if there is a next time for you. For now, you are probably better off licking Association Crew's heavy wounds than blind raiding people out of anger, Spike

GC Alab....

First, our capital has never been downgraded. it is lvl 15 and never higher.

Second, all this started cause Terminators downgraded the capital of Association Crew, then they played dummy, as they know, telling they had no idea the crew was Association...then, as expected, Terms 3 and terms 2 attacked also that capital. Btw, Association Crew is stronger than ever, all their off is going up like a rocket...

Third, we gave our pans away cause we were bored with how the game was for us....now we can go and hit any MF in our way, and we dont care...u know why? cause we got nothing to loose, even if our capital is lvl 5 and we got no defense, we will keep beating the hell out of terms and all their coas...and as expected, they will keep loosing positions in the coa rank...we cause them their first spot and it is just the start...

Fourth, we dont expect to win anything, this will be a long war in which what I expect, as many of my friends in my coalition, it is to have fun just by screwing Terms coalitions.

Well, go ahead and have fun *trying* to screw us over. So this is more of just trying to downgrade us? Well ok then...causing us our spot isn't going to stop us from trying to regain it again. You know why? We will keep fighting you, not only on your cap but everywhere else, to try and put you guys back in your place. After that, Terminators just has to upgrade their capital and pantheons to get back in first.

I may not be part of the parental Terminators, but still part of the terminators family that attacked you, and this is common knowledge that we all Terminators know, so I have a write to post.

P.S., Gman, if you actually bothered to fully read some of my posts, then its mainly congrats, talking about the chronicle, or other. anyway, such a loyal fan for reading all 22. Do you want my autograph Anyway, I was trying to attack you to also put you back in your place, but couldn't find you in association...

"Leaving pans was a tactical move that we decided (we always were passing on tourneys, but now we can hit any1 that we want, game was boring and this also made it more interesting for us)"

TL; DR - Association won a points war by giving up pans and hiding troops , while buying hundreds of PAs. I guess it worked, though the numbers dont pan out to the 2:1 ratios mentioned in the thread here. 

Spike says its part of an 'indefinite' action. I see a lot of carnage for little gain. You have a few good players remaining with sizeable armies , but the attrition is apparent in even there. Numbers down by 30-70% across those more active in the engagement, and likely to continue.

Oh well - lets see how this 'pans' out now lol. See you on the field !

let's just agree that we disagree...

Gman said:

let's just agree that we disagree...

You can disagree all you want.  While your at it prove Pythagorean Theorem incorrect, or just agree to disagree with that.  

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let's just agree that we disagree...

For those of you wondering where my post went:

Tsk...association, are you for real? You left out the WHOLE story! Have you forgotten that, at the cost of winning against Terminators 3, that your other coalition, Association Crew, have had their offense and defense completely wrecked by our family??

Lets also note the fact that you guys used to have pantheons...and now you have zero territory. Were you scared that you gave up all your pans? So much for calling other people "weak". I have also heard that two of your poles have left for other coalitions, one of them for BoK...did you mention that?

You may have won against one coalition but you can't win against all. Expect heavier resistance next time...if there is a next time for you. For now, you are probably better off licking Association Crew's heavy wounds than blind raiding people out of anger, Spike

Speaking of scared: http://prntscr.com/c1cae3 This is how you declare war on the whole terminators family? Nice..

As a former Terminator, I must say...Deskin is right. I still have javs in many of my friends' cities and I see a lot of political attacks from Association, but not a whole lot else. A guerilla war doesn't work with just political attacks, lol...