the best way to determine what you personal payout value for persian positions is to wait for a big payout - then keep track of unit value lost until your next payout.

(the resource value of troops you loose)

so long as you don't unlock any higher level persian positions - this should be your static payout value, more or less

if reset your count after each payout and you continue to keep track of your losses, you can predict when  you are close to getting another payout

then do a high level position of which ever reward you prefer (offense or defense)

this has been working for me and my people - but i will say the payouts are nothing compared to what they used to be

i dont care if palarium tells us they did not change the system since the company was taken over - our numbers say otherwise

persians will loose you troops - and i only do pp when there is a tourney running - i still come out with less troops than i spend every time

you only gain troops if you spend drachma to revive the dead (75% discount days help with this)

it will gain you gear for your general, and exp if that is what you are trying to achieve - and we use positions to upgrade light heavy and phal troops for horse units

i dont think it is possible to increase your army strength without spending drachma on positions anymore

I used to stay clear of persian positions unless there was a REALLY good tourney going on. But recently I have been hitting them hard because I have 2 pieces of high level ledgendary equipment that I need pieces for in order to fully take advantage of them. Suddenly, I have been reaping massive rewards much more frequently then ever before. Just during this past tournament (which I finished 5th in my league) I accrued aprx 500 off heavy, 300 off phalanx, 150 macedonians (then the VERY next position 276 agemas!). On the defensive side I got 4-500 Cretan archers, 600 phalanx units, about 150 mounted peltasts.

Now I did suffer heavily in the light unit department but those are easily replaceable. so, from my prespective I hope the recent developments keep up!!!!!!!!

PMC,

95% of most players do not have 25 million light and heavy infantries.This is suicide.Has you ever calculated how long you are building at 30,000 swordsmen? Please do not tell any nonsense to other players.

Those who do what, then boost their troops down the barrels, and are money players who invest more than € 1,000 each month.

Rarely read such a nonsense about light and heavy in Posis from level 100 to burn.

Post all your losses before the jackpot comes. It's certainly lost 80 million off, and 10 million deff or more before that.

And at 100%, you revived after 75%

My Tear said:

PMC,

95% of most players do not have 25 million light and heavy infantries.This is suicide.Has you ever calculated how long you are building at 30,000 swordsmen? Please do not tell any nonsense to other players.

Those who do what, then boost their troops down the barrels, and are money players who invest more than € 1,000 each month.

Rarely read such a nonsense about light and heavy in Posis from level 100 to burn.

And your screenshot of the 48,000 riders can put you where the sun never shines. Post all your losses before the jackpot comes. It's certainly lost 80 million off, and 10 million deff or more before that.

And at 100%, you revived after 75%

blah blah blah,  I was going to write out response  to you.  I even actually posted a big lengthy one.   but  the more I thought about it the more I realized I wasted my time.    ill make you real happy  and just leave a simple reply.

you are right about everything but one thing....  I used 500 mil  to get reward of 88 mil.    I only know how to click, point, and revive....  please  help me out  I really am having tough time getting payouts!!!!   please  tell us  how to play pp  or at least me,  I have to know

PMC, 

Players who pocket millions in PP, and then revive with hundreds of euros, dollars are not a yardstick for me.There is no system in PP, with lists or whatever.The only thing that counts in PP, the jackpot is always as high as you have destroyed troops before in PP, + -5% profit or loss.Light or heavy infantry can be destroyed in Posis up to level 70, higher Posis is nonsense.Fact is too, the Plaruim always turns on the screw.

And if players win in a level 40-70 posi few hundred Agema riders or whatever, it is a set off what the jackpot did not properly give. As they had played PP that day, or days before or 1 week before.

and what is wrong with hitting just level 1-70 with lights and heavies.  I never said do what I do   I just said what I was going to/and did.    I never said pp was a magic trick for large army  I just said how to play them  and you said "don't be telling people lies"   well   if you read any of my other post  PP to me is only a troop converter.    that 88 mil  in pelts  or 48k pelts    cost me  82 mil in power to get.     just because  you see something as impossible doesn't mean it is

https://gyazo.com/4a54a7fbdcd0f1540f42f5a13d99fb39

that is what I sent  to one level 190.   just because I played high  doesn't mean I didn't use right troops.   a whole lot of math   and  about 5 hours to play 16 positions.

I think  most people think there is a trick to them   but there isn't.   unless you are going for first ever payout.  after that  you owe what you owe   and  you should only play for what  you know you will get         other wise  it is a gamble    or what I hear  often a trip to casino.

PMC said:

and what is wrong with hitting just level 1-70 with lights and heavies.  I never said do what I do   I just said what I was going to/and did.    I never said pp was a magic trick for large army  I just said how to play them  and you said "don't be telling people lies"   well   if you read any of my other post  PP to me is only a troop converter.    that 88 mil  in pelts  or 48k pelts    cost me  82 mil in power to get.     just because  you see something as impossible doesn't mean it is

https://gyazo.com/4a54a7fbdcd0f1540f42f5a13d99fb39

that is what I sent  to one level 190.   just because I played high  doesn't mean I didn't use right troops.   a whole lot of math   and  about 5 hours to play 16 positions.

I think  most people think there is a trick to them   but there isn't.   unless you are going for first ever payout.  after that  you owe what you owe   and  you should only play for what  you know you will get         other wise  it is a gamble    or what I hear  often a trip to casino.

20 mil is basic standard reward,   so I say again   if you play with 20 mil lights  on an average day you will walk away with 20 mil cav or phalanx     on  a great day you will walk away with 20-40 mil power cav or phalanx.         if you play with 20 mil phalanx and cav  you will get one reward  and done      so no point in playing unless you want points.

85.000 Psilos.......

Normally you build at the 85,000 .............195 days.

And since you are a big money player, as I see you, you bost down the building blocks.

And revive her at 75% again.

95% of all players do not have the money, so it looks. Or they fly with the money in the Uralub, or buy their children what, or whatever.

hahahah

TO ALL MODERATORS  THAT I HAVE EVRE SAID ANYTHIN BAD TO.

please forgive me,  as now I see the only things you say about  pp  are fairly accurate.   I now know how you feel for trying to answer peoples questions on here.   hahahaha.   again  just to the moderators here   SORRY  for my past replies that were rude

the one bar  trick  was an error in code.   I'm glad they fixed it.    we  all are glad they fixed it.    I  have won 29k mac cav before  on a level 129    ten mins  later  I won over 30k mounted pelts.   sure it was fun  but think how big the  bigger armies  would be if that was still in effect.     they did not change the system    just removed  old glitch  and replaced it with fixed reward system.   pp  is a troop converter   nothing more.   if you play with 20 mil lights and heavies  on a bod day  you make 20 mil in cav or phalanx    on a great day you will make  20-40 mil  in cav and phalanx.  

My Tear said:

85.000 Psilos.......

Normally you build at the 85,000 .............195 days.

And since you are a big money player, as I see you, you bost down the building blocks.

And revive her at 75% again.

95% of all players do not have the money, so it looks. Or they fly with the money in the Uralub, or buy their children what, or whatever.

Mate   we can't judge   how  x or y  player spending they money and spare time 

This game it's an  hobby for the majority of the guys are playing here  and   like in life some are richer then others ..we can't  judge anybody 

PMC said:

and what is wrong with hitting just level 1-70 with lights and heavies.  I never said do what I do   I just said what I was going to/and did.    I never said pp was a magic trick for large army  I just said how to play them  and you said "don't be telling people lies"   well   if you read any of my other post  PP to me is only a troop converter.    that 88 mil  in pelts  or 48k pelts    cost me  82 mil in power to get.     just because  you see something as impossible doesn't mean it is

https://gyazo.com/4a54a7fbdcd0f1540f42f5a13d99fb39

that is what I sent  to one level 190.   just because I played high  doesn't mean I didn't use right troops.   a whole lot of math   and  about 5 hours to play 16 positions.

I think  most people think there is a trick to them   but there isn't.   unless you are going for first ever payout.  after that  you owe what you owe   and  you should only play for what  you know you will get         other wise  it is a gamble    or what I hear  often a trip to casino.

20 mil is basic standard reward,   so I say again   if you play with 20 mil lights  on an average day you will walk away with 20 mil cav or phalanx     on  a great day you will walk away with 20-40 mil power cav or phalanx.         if you play with 20 mil phalanx and cav  you will get one reward  and done      so no point in playing unless you want points.

For Power Calc I use the same Bonus for all Units

nice ,   I like  how you have the  revive cost added  to your calculator

Looks like Plarium has turned on the screws again during the past PP tournament. Been getting very poor payouts on my HLs the irony of it all the payouts I've received on my lower lvls (47+) were way better than lvls 93 to 106.

Hi Dimitri,

Yes it was during the previous tournament. I can say with absolute certainty that the screws have been turned on especially when compared to the 'Legendary' tournament. If one compares server 3's PP to server 2's there's no comparison whatsoever - server 3's positions is way better and consistent whether it is during a tournament or not.

Not that I'm complaining but it clearly shows that PP differs from server to server and from one tourney to the next.

Just to add onto the above:

1. I've received a slew of poor payouts lately on my Higher levels (server 2) I'm specifically referring to lvls 70+ to 106. Currently I'm on lvl 165. Heck I got better payouts on level 40s than on lvl 90s positions!

2. As someone who's already spent a pretty penny on the game the least I can say is I expect better. After all this game is about defeating the Persians, not so? I'm not saying I expect a decent payout on every level but that Plarium must be more consistent. Visit any region on the map you'll see loads of players who already quit the game. If you don't improve the positions more players will quit and I'm sure it won't be good for business.

I sincerely hope Plarium works on this.

PS. Must say there's been loads of improvement across the board as well and I must commend the company for this.

I am glad there are changes you like, Niekie. On the matter of positions, there are a few things to keep in mind:

• Your "battle record", i.e. the troops you have lost, is not shared between different servers. So yes, the rewards will definitely differ for you when you play on Server 1 or Server 2.
• In general, I would advise against jumping between Position levels. The situation you described in your previous post makes me suspect that all the hard work you've put into battling Xerxes' hordes has gone into rewarding you for those level 47+ Positions, which is why the number of Troops you've seen there was better than that of the higher level Positions you did in the same Tournament. 
• Higher level Position do require a lot more work and many people stick to one of the medium "tiers" as part of their strategy, all is viable if it works for you!