I recently posted. But, I'm having such a hard time deciding what champ to 60 next. I didn't realize it took SO freaking long. I'm scared I won't be able to make another 60 for awhile if I am to keep up with dungeon events and what not.
I have a 60 Athel 6* in good gear. Then my choices are...
50 Visionary 5*
50 Deliana 3*
50 Husk 3*
50 Vergis 3*
50 Magnarr 2*
My gut tells me it's between Deliana and Magnarr, but I can't forsee which gives the best value. Also, I'm starting to not like Visionary as much because I used Hell Hades Raid Optimizer and it like changed my life. I got 100% crit on Magnarr/Husk from that... so I feel like Visionary is quite a waste for her crit buffs compared to what else could fill her slot. My best team of 4 is Athel, Deliana, Magnarr.... then who? How worth is Vergis?
You were the only one that answered, and you didn't really give a resounding answer. You also said I had two champions that I didn't even have, and that concerned me to base my opinion off that one post.
You were the only one that answered, and you didn't really give a resounding answer. You also said I had two champions that I didn't even have, and that concerned me to base my opinion off that one post.
Two champs you don't have? I suggested Deliana and Magnarr as being your next two to work on. I also said Sandlashed and Armiger were good candidates afterwards. I guess maybe you don't have Armiger, but you can literally just buy him from the market.
*Edit - oh you probably meant Frylja. Yeah that's Visionary you have, my bad. She's the one I don't love that you leveled to 50, because she's pretty useless.
Two champs you don't have? I suggested Deliana and Magnarr as being your next two to work on. I also said Sandlashed and Armiger were good candidates afterwards. I guess maybe you don't have Armiger, but you can literally just buy him from the market.
*Edit - oh you probably meant Frylja. Yeah that's Visionary you have, my bad. She's the one I don't love that you leveled to 50, because she's pretty useless.
You said Frylja and Ariger in your post. Your typo threw me off on Armiger, but no idea who Frylja is. I just wanted an opinion from someone else after reading a few of your posts is all.
If you dont currently have an Enemy MAX HP champ in the works, I recommend leveling your HUSK. Will get you far in dungeons as a boss killer while providing good CC.
I assume your roster hasn't changed much from 5 days ago:
I would stop leveling Visionary to start.
If you had a solid endgame AoE dec defense champ I would tell you to 60 them asap. That would be a champ like Dhukk, Uugo, Tayrel, Thylessia, Bystophus, Fodbor, Draco, Hurndig, Stag Knight, Madame Serris, Armina, Deacon or Zargala. When you pull one of these, they become the immediate priority. Until then, run Warmaiden at 50 and then feed her to rank up the better AoE Dec Defense from the list above.
Right now, I would suggest Deliana as your next 60. She will really help keeping everyone going with her leech and passive.
After Deliana, I would look into Magnarr and Sandlashed as your next two 60s.
The game has blessed you with Health Based Juggneraunts.
The game has also blessed you with Health Based Support Heroes.
The way you should play isn't the normal way.
The normal way most players play is based around Attack Based Juggernauts.
Then players follow up with Attack Based Support Heroes.
For the above reason's, A lot of players who would give you advice would ultimately miss the mark on what you should do.
It is because a lot of people lack experience.
The ones who don't lack experience often don't feel like taking the time to explain things.
Lucky for you, I don't mind explaining things.
The only down side is I saw your post several days late.
The advice I would of gave would have been for you to upgrade Magnarr to 60.
I would of also suggested for you to change Magnarr C.Rate to 70%.
One way to accomplish the above is by using C.Damage Gloves vs. C.Rate Gloves.
Than your Visionary would give Magnarr the remaining 30%.
This would allow Visionary to be a better support hero.
Visionary is an ideal support hero for a Health based Nuker.
The next hero I would of recommended for you to level would be Lordic Falcon.
Lordic Falcon is best in a Shield set.
Lordic Falcon also provides a Shield with his skills letting you double down with shields.
Shield's are Health Based Heroes Bread & Butter.
Players should always be afriad of several Health Based heroes gathering together because if they are not careful they can find a shield that is endless.
Which can see with my below team, I have 3 Health based heroes in Shield sets.
The Shield sets are being applied to the start of the fight.
The enemy is moving before me and trying to attack thru my massive shields.
It is very difficult for them to do so with out a hero on their team to strip my buffs.
The set up I am using isn't much different vs. set up I am talking to you about.
Mortu is my Nuker Hero - Magmar would be your nuker
Zelotah is my Shielder Hero - Lordic would be your shielder
Harvest Jack is my Disruption Hero - Bergoth the Malformed would be your Disruptor.
Valkyrie is my Support Hero - Visionary would be your Support Hero
Valkyrie supports my team by giving them Counter Attack which lets me attack enemy during my turn + during enemy turn when they hit me.
Visionary is a support, but her support is trying to Buff your Nuker to do a Bigger nuke when it is your turn to attack.
Valkyrie is letting me do 2 weaker hits which together become Big Damage.
Visionary is letting you do 1 strong hit which becomes Big Damage.
So your team would most likely be:
- Magmar
- Lordic
- Bergoth
- Visionary
However, Visionary is a Flex Spot.
You could build your nuker to 70% C.Rate in order to build around Visionary Buff so you crack out more damage
Or you can just keep your nuker at 100% C.Rate and use a different Support.
Sandslash would be another good support for you.
Sandslash extends Buffs - This means she can make your Shields last 1 turn longer.
It can really bring the Shield pressure on the enemy.
The order I would level would be the following:
1st - Magmar
2nd - Lordic
3rd - Bergoth
4th - Visionary or Sandslash
In a nutshell, The order I am telling you makes perfect sense.
And you can even check it for yourself.
Magmar is a Nuker - His Job is to Kill Stuff.
So your leveling him first because he is your win condition.
Well, obviously, the enemy isn't going to be dumb.
They are going to figure out Magmar is your teams threat.
So they will start attacking him to nuetralize your chances of winning
Well, obviously, your not going to sit ideally by letting them kill your win condition.
Your going to use Lordic to try and stop them.
Lordic will put shields on your Magmar keeping him alive longer.
Lordic shields will extend past Magmar health making the enemy have to kill shields + his green health bar
Of Course, your enemy isn't going to accept your desperate attempt of keeping your Nuker alive.
They will try to change their focus.
They will aim to kill your Lordic first.
Then they will finish off your Magmar.
The Enemy intentions are very clear.
They want Magmarr dead.
The issue is they can't kill him because you paired Magmar with a fast Shielding hero.
So they want to kill Lordic to stop the Shields.
Than kill Magnar sealing your fate in the battle.
It is a very clever tactic they plan on doing, BUT the back & forth struggle isn't over yet.
This is why you will add Bergoth to the team!
Bergoth does Taunts.
Bergoth's Taunts will force the enemy to hit him.
The enemy doesn't want to hit Bergoth.
They want to hit Lordic & Magmar
You can now see the reason on why I suggested Bergoth.
Bergoth is going to Disrupt the Enemy Plan.
Bergoth is going to lure the enemy away from hitting their main targets.
Bergoth is going to make the enemy extremely annoyed and frustarted.
Obviously, I can ramble on some more, but I hope you get what I am saying.
The power of team Synergy working together can be extremely devestating.
Right now, Player J, we aren't trying to build an arena team, nor should that be the goal in the slightest.
We need a solid team that can run Dragon 20 and progress in Clan Boss.
I hope OP listens to Krama and upgrades Deliana and Magnarr, then Sandlashed and Armiger, and DOES NOT upgrade Lodric nor Bergoth. It would be a huge mistake for his very early account.
Right now, Player J, we aren't trying to build an arena team, nor should that be the goal in the slightest.
We need a solid team that can run Dragon 20 and progress in Clan Boss.
I hope OP listens to Krama and upgrades Deliana and Magnarr, then Sandlashed and Armiger, and DOES NOT upgrade Lodric nor Bergoth. It would be a huge mistake for his very early account.
I never told the OP to build an Arena team.
I just posted my Arena team to show the Shield mechanics.
The team I was recommending was a General team.
The team could work in a wide range of Area's.
I also don't understand what makes you think Deliana & Armiger are better vs. Lordic & Bergoth.
Deliana Leech is 60% Chance to land assuming the OP has her Booked.
I just posted my Arena team to show the Shield mechanics.
The team I was recommending was a General team.
The team could work in a wide range of Area's.
I also don't understand what makes you think Deliana & Armiger are better vs. Lordic & Bergoth.
Deliana Leech is 60% Chance to land assuming the OP has her Booked.
Armiger offers no sustain at all.
Lordic does 2 turn Shield 100% of time.
Bergoth does Healing
Bergoth is a Faction Wars champ in 2022, nothing more. Not advisable for anyone who is serious about account progression and using their resources wisely.
Where did anyone say Armiger offers sustain? Why does this matter? You know what Armiger does.
How is showing Valkyrie as a shield champion a reasonable comparison to someone like Lodric, given what Valkyrie does, which you also know?
When we have just 1 level 60 champ, we need to invest in champions that help the most with overall content. That is why Deliana and Armiger are better 60s than Lodric, and especially Bergoth.
Leveling a champ to 60, at your early progression into the game, DOES indeed take a little valuable time, and regardless of whether you want/ will spend actual $$ to help in this regard, I highly recommend playing FT2 atleast for first 90-180 days.
With that being said, Deliana is a solid champ to build right now. Leech, Ally strengthen & Passive HP 2 ACC bonus are all strong buffs for just one champion.
You will need an ENEMY MAX HP champion at some point, as well as a reviver(s), better option for DPS than Athel (Starters are still good options and you will most likely continue to use your starter past 6 months of playtime) & last but not least, a cleanser/healer.
TAKE EVERYTHING SLOWLY, TO INGEST KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME SO AS TO NOT MAKE MISTAKES EARLY ON. THE MORE YOU PLAY, THE BETTER CHAMPIONS YOU WILL GET, THATS A FORSURE THING. WHEN YOU RECEIVE HIGH KHATUN @ DAY 30, LEVEL HER TO 50 RIGHT AWAY, SHE WILL DO HER JOB AT 50 BUT AFTER A BIT OF TIME, IF* YOU DONT HAPPEN TO PULL A BETTER SPEED LEAD/TM BOOSTER BY THEN, SHE IS VIABLE AT 60 SEEING A MUCH NEEDED INCREASE IN HER BASE.
Bergoth is a Faction Wars champ in 2022, nothing more. Not advisable for anyone who is serious about account progression and using their resources wisely.
Where did anyone say Armiger offers sustain? Why does this matter? You know what Armiger does.
How is showing Valkyrie as a shield champion a reasonable comparison to someone like Lodric, given what Valkyrie does, which you also know?
When we have just 1 level 60 champ, we need to invest in champions that help the most with overall content. That is why Deliana and Armiger are better 60s than Lodric, and especially Bergoth.
Are you Serious?
Your telling me Deliana & Armiger is going to help a Early Game player over Lordic & Bergoth?
You have to be joking.
Deliana A1 - Coin Flip Leech
Deliana A2 - Decrease Enemy Resistance
Deliana A3 - Block Enemy Buffs
Armiger A1 - Decrease 1 Enemy unit TM 30%
Armiger A2 - Max Enemy Nuke + Block Revive
The OP has Athel lvl 60.
How is Deliana & Armiger going to help Athel. LOL
Athel + Deliana + Armiger are going to get completely destroyed.
2 Damage Dealers with a useless Support hero who can Sort of help if it lands its Coin Flip Leech
Bergoth A1 - C.Heals on himself
Bergoth A2 - Provoke
Bergoth Passive - When hit Heals Allies
Lordic A1 - Decrease Atk
Lordic A2 - Removed 1 Debuff and places Ally Protect
Lordic A3 - Shields on 2 turn cool down with 2 turn duration
Athel + Bergoth + Lordic will progress any early game account faster vs. other options.
Bergoth was Vogoth before the game introduced Vogoth.
Bergoth is the Mac-Daddy.
Bergoth is the Original Passive Healer.
Bergoth was an Epic Fusion Champion.
Players use Bergoth in Faction Wars in 2022 because they have Seer Dungeon teams.
On the other hand, A Beginner will not have a Seer Dungeon team.
Bergoth is perfect for Dungeons.
As usual, cherry picking festival. The suggestions were Deliana, into Magnarr, into Sandlashed and Armiger.
Moving on: Math is very difficult, I understand.
60% AoE leech for Deliana when unbooked versus...60% A1 single hitter dec att for Lodric and 60% A2 AoE provoke on Bergoth WHEN booked.
Deliana's passives make her simultaneously easier to build for debuff purposes, and for sustaining your team. That's on top of the AoE leech which when unbooked is a favorite to land on more of the enemies than not. She will also help OP in Clan Boss. Deliana + Athel will be quite helpful in 3*'ing Campaign levels, too.
Armiger will be helpful in Spider, FK and requires significantly less resources to build than Lodric and Bergoth, and unlike those two will remain relevant in OPs roster long past those two champions, maintaining usefulness in mid and late game.
I can actually buy Lodric having utility, could be helpful to OP after they bring up their other options.
Bergoth might have been reasonable 20 months or so ago, but not so much now. Dumping books into him early game would be an insane suggestion, and without them he would be worse than the coin flips that you are not fond of.
Lordic A2 - Removed 1 Debuff and places Ally Protect
Lordic A3 - Shields on 2 turn cool down with 2 turn duration
Lodric's Dec Atk (a single hitter):
Bergoth A1 - C.Heals on himself
Bergoth A2 - Provoke
Bergoth Passive - When hit Heals Allies
Bergoth's A1:
Bergoth's A2 (an AoE):
WOW! Look at all these abilities that are MUCH WORSE than coin flips. Sad for anyone reading, and deciding what to upgrade, that Player J doesn't mention the terrible percentages here AT ALL.
Let's think about this.....if 60% when booked is bad for Deliana, buddy, then it is equally or more bad for Bergoth and Lodric. Easy comparative arithmetic here.
PS, Player J, you took the time to mention Bergoth's passive. I assume you just haven't seen Deliana's? Let me share it with you just in case....
Looks like a pretty nice passive to me. Strengthen pretty strong... AND you don't need to build her with much Accuracy!! Cool! This lets you focus on other stats when Early Game, and still be able to trigger leech! Looks nice to me for a second champ to 60.