Your nuker doesn't need to be that fast if you are running double speed boosters. I would suggest you go with HK lead, Apoth, Elhain, and someone like Warmaiden. That'll allow you to keep your Elhain and Warmaiden at around 170 speed and be fine. You can use the arena speed tuner to get the specific speeds you need.
I would think with all the "new added segments" to the arena 250 speed on a hk and proper tuning ie defense down followed by nukes will ride you into at least G2 . I don't even know anymore and don't care, arena is pretty easy now and now I can focus on better parts of the game and still fill out my great hall at a bearable pace.
Even when hitting pages of real players my team steam rolls 7/10 teams on the page on auto now. I have 293 speed on my lead though so now that the waters have settled I can go first almost always in lower G4.
Hello @Riptide,
you are doing fine, keep farming the Dungeons (Dragon`s lair to be specific) and you will get faster with your Elhain eventually, the Nuker shoulnt be too fast , they should Nuke, thats their job, so its about how much ATK and C.Damage you have on them assuming you have them 100 C.rate.
Alpha H
All of those speeds are way to slow, late gold to plat arena are mostly pushing speed leads of 300+
im in gold 4 and my speed lead is 240, and thats still way too slow.
you guys need to get farming dragon.
Hello @Chunkyjacobs
Plaese dont spread false Information in the forum, Speed leader should be fast , but Nuker shouldnt be, The Nuker should be in Sync with the whole team , we call that Speed Tune in Arena.
WATCH THIS FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fAtjGa8iFA&t=1013s
Alpha H
It's true HH and ash are pushing speeds in plat. Most of us aren't in plat.
Hello @Chunkyjacobs
Plaese dont spread false Information in the forum, Speed leader should be fast , but Nuker shouldnt be, The Nuker should be in Sync with the whole team , we call that Speed Tune in Arena.
WATCH THIS FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fAtjGa8iFA&t=1013s
Alpha H
I did say speed leads
please actually read my post before giving a condescending response.
It's true HH and ash are pushing speeds in plat. Most of us aren't in plat.
Its not just youtubers, there are people in my clan pushing Arbiters 300+ speed in gold 4 and they dont always win the race
I did say speed leads
please actually read my post before giving a condescending response.
I Read your Post and still find your informations are missleading, you are obviously way far from Plat with your 240 speed lead, so you dont know what is happening in Plat Arena.
THE NUKERS IN TOP PLAT ARENA ARE BETWEEN 200-230 SPEED, with exceptions to some specific players who I won`t mention now.
Now clearly the more advanced the players become the faster their whole average speed on their Champs will be, considering the RNG involved in getting good gear after farming a lot or buying gear packs.
Your Post shows lack of understading to the END-Game.
ALPHA H
I Read your Post and still find your informations are missleading, you are obviously way far from Plat with your 240 speed lead, so you dont know what is happening in Plat Arena.
THE NUKERS IN TOP PLAT ARENA ARE BETWEEN 200-230 SPEED, with exceptions to some specific players who I won`t mention now.
Now clearly the more advanced the players become the faster their whole average speed on their Champs will be, considering the RNG involved in getting good gear after farming a lot or buying gear packs.
Your Post shows lack of understading to the END-Game.
ALPHA H
Yeah you're right, I do have a while to go till plat, but you act like nobody talks to each other in the game.
my clan leaders Arbiter runs at 340 speed, and he does not win the race anywhere as much as he would like and thats in high end gold 4.
You don't have to be in platinum to understand how "End Game" works, thats just down to weather you have been lucky with you're Champ and gear pulls.
I am fully aware that 240 spead lead is not fast enough, so I dont try to win the race. I have a handfull of missons b4 getting Arbiter, when I do I will be working towards speed.
plus I run a high HP Vogoth in Gaurdian + Imortal set, nukes bearly scratch my team.
And anyway speed won't necessarily be the meta forever anyway
some food for thought
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTERXtExfM
so I ask you again please stop being so condescending in you're responses
Alpha H isn't condescending, nor is Alpha H wrong.
Alpha H is merely trying to educate you.
The OP (Riptide) of this thread said the following:
- Elhain is 181 speed
- HK is 190 speed
Chunkyjacobs your response to the OP was the following:
"All those speeds are way to slow..."
Your telling the OP his Elhain & High Khatun are to slow.
The issue is the OP Elhain speed is fine.
The OP is in Silver Arena
181 Speed Elhain is more than adequate.
Thus, Alpha H reponse to you was the following:
"Please stop spreading false information in forum, Speed Lead should be fast, but Nuker shouldn't be"
Chunkyjacobs, your reponse to Alpha H was the following:
"Please read my post before giving a condescending response"
Alpha H read your post.
I read your post too.
Guess What?
Your post was wrong both times.
Stop telling Silver Arena Players that their Nukers with 181 Speed are to slow.
If you act like a noob, Veteran players will treat you like a noob.
Lastly, The screenshot you posted doesn't help your case.
I believe you said the team in the Speed Calculator was your Clan Leader team.
Your Clan Leader team isn't very good at Arena.
1st - Arbiter should always have Lore of Steel.
2nd - Prince Kymar should be doing the A2 move (Buff Strip + Sleep)
3rd - Krisk has no business being in that Arena Set up.
4th - You should add a Defense Down Champion.
5th - Trunda is way to fast - She needs to lose 20-30 speed.
6th - You don't want your team fully Speed tune when running Kymar.
The fight should play out the following way:
1st move: Arbiter ---------> TM Fill + Inc. Atk
2nd move: Kymar --------> AOE Buff Strip + AOE Sleep
3rd move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
4th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
5th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
6th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
7th move: ??? ------------> AOE Def Down
8th move: Trunda --------> AOE Nuke
By allowing the enemy to move in between Kymar + your Def Down Hero, you deactivate the enemy teams Reaction Accessories.
Yup. My new arena team is Arbiter, Kymar, Serris, [Nuker]. Works *far* better than running a double nuker. You actually want your nuker to be *slow*, so that the entire enemy team wakes up before their turn. That lets you essentially get two full rounds of nukes, because your Arbiter then hits her revive move to speed boost your Kymar into his reset, and then your Serris gets to strip anything resisted and you get to nuke again.
Alpha H isn't condescending, nor is Alpha H wrong.
Alpha H is merely trying to educate you.
The OP (Riptide) of this thread said the following:
- Elhain is 181 speed
- HK is 190 speed
Chunkyjacobs your response to the OP was the following:
"All those speeds are way to slow..."
Your telling the OP his Elhain & High Khatun are to slow.
The issue is the OP Elhain speed is fine.
The OP is in Silver Arena
181 Speed Elhain is more than adequate.
Thus, Alpha H reponse to you was the following:
"Please stop spreading false information in forum, Speed Lead should be fast, but Nuker shouldn't be"
Chunkyjacobs, your reponse to Alpha H was the following:
"Please read my post before giving a condescending response"
Alpha H read your post.
I read your post too.
Guess What?
Your post was wrong both times.
Stop telling Silver Arena Players that their Nukers with 181 Speed are to slow.
If you act like a noob, Veteran players will treat you like a noob.
Lastly, The screenshot you posted doesn't help your case.
I believe you said the team in the Speed Calculator was your Clan Leader team.
Your Clan Leader team isn't very good at Arena.
1st - Arbiter should always have Lore of Steel.
2nd - Prince Kymar should be doing the A2 move (Buff Strip + Sleep)
3rd - Krisk has no business being in that Arena Set up.
4th - You should add a Defense Down Champion.
5th - Trunda is way to fast - She needs to lose 20-30 speed.
6th - You don't want your team fully Speed tune when running Kymar.
The fight should play out the following way:
1st move: Arbiter ---------> TM Fill + Inc. Atk
2nd move: Kymar --------> AOE Buff Strip + AOE Sleep
3rd move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
4th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
5th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
6th move: Enemy Hero --> Wakes up from Sleep
7th move: ??? ------------> AOE Def Down
8th move: Trunda --------> AOE Nuke
By allowing the enemy to move in between Kymar + your Def Down Hero, you deactivate the enemy teams Reaction Accessories.
I never saiid hk was 190, if I did it was a mistake
I never saiid hk was 190, if I did it was a mistake
Yes, you made a mistake.
It's ok - Your a beginner.
Beginners are allowed to make mistakes.
You want your High Khatun in the fastest gear you own.
You want High Khatun crazy fast.
Look at every gear Piece you own.
Search for Speed in substats.
Look for the gear pieces which have the Best Speed Rolls.
Ideally, you want the gear to be Speed gear with Speed rolls.
You also want 6 Star Speed Boots
Yes, you made a mistake.
It's ok - Your a beginner.
Beginners are allowed to make mistakes.
You want your High Khatun in the fastest gear you own.
You want High Khatun crazy fast.
Look at every gear Piece you own.
Search for Speed in substats.
Look for the gear pieces which have the Best Speed Rolls.
Ideally, you want the gear to be Speed gear with Speed rolls.
You also want 6 Star Speed Boots
Yes. I agree. Unfortunately, my only speed boots are 1-2 * or my lifesteal, which would be better on elhain.