So I checked Silver I in the Arena with this team so that is some good progress and iam not complaining about the matchmaking or the other issues in Arena. Iam just stuck on what my next move is going to be.
So I have the following (Arena) Team
Diabolist with 240 speed. She goes first and does the A3 (when I manually do that). Give me15% inc turnmeter and the opponent 15% decrease. (Level 60, fully booked and full masteries)
Then my Spirithost goes with 206 speed and she does A2 50% ATK (L50 fully booked, full masteries)
Then my Warmaiden goes with 197 speed and she does A3 for 60% DEF decr (L60 fully booked not all masteries yet)
Then my Kael goes with 174 speed. (L60 fully booked, full masteries)
So when all goes perfect I blast away the team. There are a few flaws. 1. the Opponent goes first with his High Khatun and that happends not that much so no really issue with that 240speed on Diabolist. The issue happends after that my other champs are not buffed enough and the Oppenent catches up and goes before my Kael mostly. I cant get him to more speed unless I sacrafice my lifesteal set. So that is basically my main issue that for now I cant get Kael better with the gear I have. I understand I need to farm and thats what iam going to do ofc.
BUT, I just hit the 30 days played and got High Khatum AND on the same day I got Apothecary. So now iam thinking of switching gear from Diabolist to my High Khatun or Apothecary. Khatum is L40 and Apo is L50 so I have to put some effort in those wich is fine ofc.
But basically my main question is then when Khatum uses Rally the Horde (15% inc Turn Meter allies and 30% speedbuff) is that better then the +15%/-15% from Diabolist. How does that work. Is ith worth leveling HK and replacing Diabolist. Will this increase my other heroes turns faster. The Aura is 9% better then Spirithost that I use now. So Kael will get 19.57 extra speed from HK and only 10.3 from Spirithost so that will bring him to 183 speed. But I feel I need a little more.
And I also have Apothecary who does the same as HK only without the Aura so he is worse on that part. And the goal is to nuke the opponent so his heal should not matter. When I get the conundrum above solved then I will focus on more Crit Damage on my Kael if possible.
But in the end this would mean my Diabolist would be kinda useless from now on and HK and/or Apo are just a better version and it was fun while it lasted. Interested to see what you think
I like HK and Apothecary better than Diabolist for sure. But you basically answered your own conundrum imo, as you laid it out. You won't improve in arena by replacing D with Apo or HK now, and likely none of the 3 will be used at some point. Though all could be used in Tag, but that is getting ahead of ourselves. You have invested heavilit in Diabolist and shouldn't throw it away.
As important as speed is everywhere in the game, your resources are likely better spent 6starring a champ that brings something new to the table. A screenshot of your roster would be helpful.
Your 2nd issue is Kael. You are in very early game, so he is your farmer, arena nuker, CB poisoner, dungeon smasher.
Dungeons: Need Lifesteal
CB: Need Lifesteal & ACC
Arena: Speed, CR, CD
Brutal 12.3: Lifesteal is your best gear until you progress in dungeons
I would ignore the progress missions, make Dragon20 your next goal.
I had same route but didnt invest in D as i found out that wont be able to squize more 240, so i swap with HK as lead - her aura give +19 point of speed for all (inc her) to base speed, so even if Kael is you less speedy will catch up and your team synergy wont hurt.
HK dont need to be fully leveled just 3star acention for 30% speed boost, then you can swap gear only and test if HK suit better or not
"I cant get him to more speed unless I sacrafice my lifesteal set."
"And the goal is to nuke the opponent so his heal should not matter."
If the heal from Apothecary doesn't matter, why does the heal from lifesteal gear?
Those are 2 different matters you address. I need lifesteal on Kael because he is my main also for dungeons, campaign etc. So ditching his lifesteal gear and getting speed gear will help me in Arena but will cost my tremendous in other area's of the game. And Apo is not going to be able to heal that all up and more.
The second issue you address is if Apo vs HK matters since they both grant the same skill (15% inc turnmeter + 30% speedbuff). BUT HK also gives a speed aura. The thing Apo brings to the table is a heal compared to HK (and diabolist). But since iam going for the 1 turn nuke his heal will be useless in Arena. I will ofcourse get him in my dungeon teams etc if possible
I had same route but didnt invest in D as i found out that wont be able to squize more 240, so i swap with HK as lead - her aura give +19 point of speed for all (inc her) to base speed, so even if Kael is you less speedy will catch up and your team synergy wont hurt.
HK dont need to be fully leveled just 3star acention for 30% speed boost, then you can swap gear only and test if HK suit better or not
Good point. I will take that into consideration since speed is basic stats no matter if level 50 or 60. Only wondering about the Amulet/Banner that can give speed (right?) so that might boost him up more
I like HK and Apothecary better than Diabolist for sure. But you basically answered your own conundrum imo, as you laid it out. You won't improve in arena by replacing D with Apo or HK now, and likely none of the 3 will be used at some point. Though all could be used in Tag, but that is getting ahead of ourselves. You have invested heavilit in Diabolist and shouldn't throw it away.
As important as speed is everywhere in the game, your resources are likely better spent 6starring a champ that brings something new to the table. A screenshot of your roster would be helpful.
Your 2nd issue is Kael. You are in very early game, so he is your farmer, arena nuker, CB poisoner, dungeon smasher.
Dungeons: Need Lifesteal
CB: Need Lifesteal & ACC
Arena: Speed, CR, CD
Brutal 12.3: Lifesteal is your best gear until you progress in dungeons
I would ignore the progress missions, make Dragon20 your next goal.
Yeah I see your point but I also need to improve in Arena for my missions iam afraid. Can ofcourse wait for some months but I feel like iam missing out then (also for improvements on great hall).
Iam now saving up on everything for the fusion event so I will prbably combine that to level my HK to atleast 50 and swap gear with Diabolist.
HK works just fine at lvl 50 and 3 star ascension . she is only there for the aura and speed boost nothing else matters for her
I'd definately replace Diabolist with HK
I dont think Apothecary would fit well in your comp, he is mostly used if you have a speed Aura without speed booster like Skullcrown or Fu-Shan. Spirithost Aura is too weak for you to use him like that
I think Apo to 6star might help your dragon progression more, better gear is going to drive your arena progress more than swapping out Diabolist. Brawler (doesn;t need books) is top tier for IG/Dragon/Clan Boss. Basher is really good, but not really for early game IMO.
Only point to get HK to 6* is that she gets 104 base speed instead 97 (so on full ascended 6* not fully leveled, will be faster than gorgorab) and you can be lucky with speed substat on banner
Mathmatically, we can tell with out a doubt High Khatun would improve your team.
Logically, you would have to figure out if it is worth it or not.
In order for this all to work, your High Khatun would need to be completely maxed.
- You would have to 60 her.
- You would have to ascend her.
- You would have to mastery her.
- You would have to put Diabolist gear on her.
It seems to me like I Solved Your Conundrum by creating a New Conundrum for you.
Your Welcome!
What should you do?
I'm not jumping in those can of worms.
You could decide to keep Diabolist + Work on your Dragon Team.
or
You could decide to replace Diabolist with High Khatun to improve Arena Team.
Both choices seem to be really good.
The Order of Operations I tell people is always the same:
1st - Campaign ---> Levels up Hero's faster
2nd - Clan Boss ---> Gives you Shards to pull better heroes + Tomes to skill up heroes
3rd - Dungeons ---> Gives you Masteries + Better Gear
4th - Arena --------> All the above things accumulate to make a better Arena Team.
Thank you for your elaborate post. Most of the information I allready knew but it is good to see I got that right the first time. I think one of the sections above is exactly what iam looking for.
That is this part-----------------------------------------------------------------
I put 237 for High Khatun Display Speed in the Tool.
It shows the Calcuated Speed at 257 <----- 19% SPD Aura
Previously, I put 240 for Diabolist Display Speed in the Tool.
It shows the Calcuated Speed at 250 <----- 10% SPD Aura
Overall, your team will be 7 speed faster.
In addition, your remaining heroes will have lower Minimum SPD Thresholds.
High Khatun brings a SPD Buff to your team.
The SPD Buff helps improve your hero's Turn Meter Filling Ticks.
The conclusion is that HK will indead be a little bit faster then Diabolist (wich does not really matter a lot because I allready went first 99% of the time. Even against other HK etc). The second part is more important. That it will lower the Speed Threshold of my other champions. The big questions was indeed if the 15%/15% buff/debuff from Diabolist would be better then the 15% turntimer+30%speedbuff from HK. And that seems to be the case.
A quick remark about not fighting teams with HK on them. Iam afraid I cannot be that picky. Most of the teams I face have like 3-4 legendaries and/or 120k team power OR none of the above but a HK. Cant be picky in Bronze IV iam afraid :D
But yeah, the main thing is now that I have to level up my HK, Ascend her fully, book her and full mastery so that will be an investement. I think I will do that coming week when the fusion event starts.
Other then that ofcourse the search for good gear will continue on the side of that. Thanks for the informative post again! It was really helpfull!!!