High Khatun - Valkyrie - Warmaiden - Elhain and I'm currently in between Bronze 5 - Silver 1.
Below is my current roster up for re-alignment of my arena team so I can progress further. What is a good speed nuker team with Valkyrie with the champs below? I recently got some good pulls.
i would replace elhain with big'un. if your going to try and go a little bit more defensive, which valkyrie leans toward, you could look at gorgorab instead of high khatun.
Wow you have some absolute *beast* champs. 100% swap out Elhain for Bigun. Beyond that, just max your other three champs and you should be good to go. Warmaiden will be the first one you should replace once you get a better AOE DEF down move.
Which champ should I go with for the second spot as a speed booster? I do like that Golden Reaper has the turn meter fill. Just want to compare and contrast the 2 and get an opinion.
Gorgorab - Apothicary vs Golden Reaper? - Warmaiden - Big Un
Valkyrie is used more for Defensive teams or Disruption teams.
The Speed Nuking team I would run with your set of champions is the following:
Leader: Gorgorab - Speed Aura 23%
1st move: Golden Reaper -------> Turn Meter Fill + Speed Buff
2nd move: Gorgorab ------------> Turn Meter Fill + Increase Attack Buff
3rd move: Warmaiden ----------> AOE Defense Down
4th move: Big Un ----------------> AOE Nuke
I sometimes run with valk in a speed nuking team... shes really good actually if you dont think you can win the speed race. As they buff ger passive procs stand firm, you survive becuase of the shield and then i go speed, drop defense and nuke. Totally viable in a speed team.
Golden reaper is definitely the better option. Her kit is better overall and she has a higher base speed than apothecary. It's true that she'll be harder to book, but with the build you're going for a match shouldn't last long enough for that to really matter.
Which champ should I go with for the second spot as a speed booster? I do like that Golden Reaper has the turn meter fill. Just want to compare and contrast the 2 and get an opinion.
Gorgorab - Apothicary vs Golden Reaper? - Warmaiden - Big Un
Golden Reaper is the best option in Arena for the specific team I mentioned.
Golden Reaper Turn Meter Fill is 20% vs. Apothecary Turn Meter Fill at 15%.
Golden Reaper has higher base speed 111 vs. Apothecary base speed of 106
Books don't matter on Golden Reaper.
It doesn't matter because Golden Reaper is only going to do 1 move in the fight.
I already showed you how the fight will play out.
Your striving to make your team go before enemy team.
Your heroes will do the following moves:
1st move: Golden Reaper -------> Turn Meter Fill + Speed Buff
2nd move: Gorgorab ------------> Turn Meter Fill + Increase Attack Buff
3rd move: Warmaiden ----------> AOE Defense Down
4th move: Big Un ----------------> AOE Nuke
If the enemy team moves before you, You automatically lose.
If the enemy team doesn't get 1 shot by your Big Un, You automatically lose.
There is no recovery in this set up.
The set up you have is a Kill or Be Killed set up.
I sometimes run with valk in a speed nuking team... shes really good actually if you dont think you can win the speed race. As they buff ger passive procs stand firm, you survive becuase of the shield and then i go speed, drop defense and nuke. Totally viable in a speed team.
No - you are confused.
I just said Speed nuking teams are not designed to run Valkyrie.
Speed Nuking teams are designed to always win the Speed Race.
The team you are talking about is a Disruption team.
Disruption teams can be used to counter Speed Nuking teams.
I do but i consider it to be both, i have valk set to go last, stand firm hits pretty hard and can be considered a nuke. My speed lead is pretty fast so i go Speed, def down, nuke, nuke. Which in my case is
Apoth, Tayrel, Skull crown, Valk.
so i go, Speed, def down, nuke/weaken, nuke.
it works pretty well and gives me the chance to survive if i dont win the speed race which is something you can never be sure of.
Awesome convo guys - thanks for all the insight. If I eventually get a Skullcrown and Tayrel - Would it be a better option to sub in the above team? I'm building up Gorgorab and Golden Reaper as we speak. Gorgorab is my first target to get to 6*. I have a 6* Valk and Apoth. Hoping to eventually get Skullcrown and Tayrel down the road if luck have it so. lol.
In practice, even if you are faster, opponents in the arena will be mostly so strong, and unbeatable, that speed no longer matters. There is a lot more to it than just speed. The balance in the arena is wrong.
If the opponents in bronze arena are all 60, it is already seen that way, with a level 50 team.
if I were to take away valks passive or swap her for big un then i'd have what you call a speed team? You have two speed boosters in 1st and 2nd place because you arent speed tuned properly or you simply dont have decent enough gear to be able to have 2 nukers. i will often swap out Valk if the affinty is bad but i will never put in another dedicated speed booster because i dont need to , unless i push plat, which i will never do.
im not going to hijack this thread anymore to argue semantics with you. I have my speed team, you have yours.
if I were to take away valks passive or swap her for big un then i'd have what you call a speed team? You have two speed boosters in 1st and 2nd place because you arent speed tuned properly or you simply dont have decent enough gear to be able to have 2 nukers. i will often swap out Valk if the affinty is bad but i will never put in another dedicated speed booster because i dont need to , unless i push plat, which i will never do.
im not going to hijack this thread anymore to argue semantics with you. I have my speed team, you have yours.
Semantics about what to call your team aside, you have the unusual problem of having too high speed on some of your arena champs... not only do you not need a second speed booster, you're even under-using the one you have by having the rest of your team so close to his speed.
The question is of course what other stats you sacrificed to get there, how much better could your Tayrel, Skullcrown and Valk be if you had them at the 'right' speed? Though it sounds like there's no need for you to change anything - I guess many of us are just farming medals in gold IV and not having to bother tinkering with our arena teams.
if I were to take away valks passive or swap her for big un then i'd have what you call a speed team? You have two speed boosters in 1st and 2nd place because you arent speed tuned properly or you simply dont have decent enough gear to be able to have 2 nukers. i will often swap out Valk if the affinty is bad but i will never put in another dedicated speed booster because i dont need to , unless i push plat, which i will never do.
im not going to hijack this thread anymore to argue semantics with you. I have my speed team, you have yours.
If you was to swap out Valkyrie for Big Un, Your team would be the following:
- Apothecary
- Tayrel
- Skullcrown
- Big Un
The above team would be considered a Speed Team - Double Nuke Variation.
However, It wouldn't be considered Properly built.
The reason this set up wouldn't be considered Properly built is because you are using a Defensive AOE Def Down hero + You have no Increase Attack Buffer.
A Properly Built Speed Team - Double Nuke Variation would be the following team:
- Arbiter
- Stag Knight
- Skullcrown
- Big Un
The Increase Attack Buff will enchance the Damage of your Debuffers+ Nukers.
This is why you wouldn't want to use Tayrel or Apothecary.