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Why do you hate FTP players so much?

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21 авг. 2025, 20:5321.08.25
27.10.24
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Why do you hate FTP players so much?

I've been trying to figure it out. Why do you hate your player base so much? I mean, you must have a reason, don't you? I just can't figure out what it is. Is there a reason you torture your players and making them want to rage quit? Is it to thin them out and increase the whale's ranking from the poor? That must be it, right? Otherwise, how do you explain this?


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This happens ALL THE TIME! Constant rematches with opponents and then when you get paired down after 3 losses in a row. THEN you get matches to someone with a level 100 account. I mean, you hate us, right? The constant lossing must really make you happy. How much it's frustrating to play this game and getting punched in the face contantly. You must get a pretty cheap thrill out of it, right? I just can't imagine any other reason than that.

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28 авг. 2025, 20:1928.08.25
27.10.24
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There is NO damn way that you did this again to me with the EXACT same "person" below me. Is this some sort of Plarium bot that just hangs out waiting for people to be matched down with them? AGAIN with the rematches and level 100 being paired with you. WHY do you continue to gaslight us saying the LA is working as intended??? 

28 авг. 2025, 22:0728.08.25
31.01.20
1724

After three losses in a row, you will ALWAYS get a BOT team. In your pictures, the BOT Temas are Cuddles, Batman and then Cuddles again.  There are only so many BOTS, so you will see them repeat.

The BOT teams are generally easier to beat, and combined with the point differences for wins vs losses (7 vs 2 in your screenshot), they allow most players to slowly but steadily climb the LA ranks even if they struggle to beat actual Live opponents.

You appear to be losing to the BOT Teams, which are actually designed to help you advance.   

29 авг. 2025, 05:5529.08.25
27.10.24
5
WileyMan

After three losses in a row, you will ALWAYS get a BOT team. In your pictures, the BOT Temas are Cuddles, Batman and then Cuddles again.  There are only so many BOTS, so you will see them repeat.

The BOT teams are generally easier to beat, and combined with the point differences for wins vs losses (7 vs 2 in your screenshot), they allow most players to slowly but steadily climb the LA ranks even if they struggle to beat actual Live opponents.

You appear to be losing to the BOT Teams, which are actually designed to help you advance.   

Are you kidding me? The reason that I left was because the bot put out was Duchess, Siphi and Tormin. THAT isn't a rookie team. Duchess had a 5 star awaken, Siphi had 3 and Tormin had 5. What formula are they using?!?! The only thing I have close to that is Alice and her 5 star was due to logging it. When it comes to removing my champ, they always pick Alice. The teams and gear the bots have are better and faster. I built my team to go second. I can't remember who I removed but I'm sure it was Sun Wukong because he strips my shield and gived me a block debuff. I'm dead in the water then.

If these bot teams are suppose to "help" you climb, it's not working.

29 авг. 2025, 06:3029.08.25
29 авг. 2025, 06:33(отредактировано)
16.12.21
2027

99% sure bot teams are just cloned player-accounts.

*Usually* they're easy-ish...

But I've posted screenshots of enough ridiculously stacked ones i've been matched against that at least a couple people here refer to them as "Mooredratbots"


Edit: It used to be widely believed that bots were cloned *inactive* player accounts, but a few times now I've fought one that had a just-released champ, showing that if that ever had been the case it isn;t anymore. For example, fought a bot yesterday that had Mikey

29 авг. 2025, 09:1829.08.25
08.07.19
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Leather and Lacing

Are you kidding me? The reason that I left was because the bot put out was Duchess, Siphi and Tormin. THAT isn't a rookie team. Duchess had a 5 star awaken, Siphi had 3 and Tormin had 5. What formula are they using?!?! The only thing I have close to that is Alice and her 5 star was due to logging it. When it comes to removing my champ, they always pick Alice. The teams and gear the bots have are better and faster. I built my team to go second. I can't remember who I removed but I'm sure it was Sun Wukong because he strips my shield and gived me a block debuff. I'm dead in the water then.

If these bot teams are suppose to "help" you climb, it's not working.

bots will almost always choose your first picked champion to ban. if you want to keep alice against one of them, move her down the lineup.

29 авг. 2025, 14:5729.08.25
19.12.19
6939

To answer the original question, they don't hate ftp but on a scale of 1 to 10 they like you as much as you plan to spend in the future.   So if you plan on being f2p forever you are a 0 on the like scale.  Could argue this indifference is worse than hating you though :)


ShortOnSkillzModerator
29 авг. 2025, 19:5829.08.25
24.06.19
3523
MooredRat

99% sure bot teams are just cloned player-accounts.

*Usually* they're easy-ish...

But I've posted screenshots of enough ridiculously stacked ones i've been matched against that at least a couple people here refer to them as "Mooredratbots"


Edit: It used to be widely believed that bots were cloned *inactive* player accounts, but a few times now I've fought one that had a just-released champ, showing that if that ever had been the case it isn;t anymore. For example, fought a bot yesterday that had Mikey

AFAIK theyre actual accounts that are copied.  At least thats what I've always been led to believe. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
29 авг. 2025, 19:5829.08.25
24.06.19
3523
Carpe_Piscis

bots will almost always choose your first picked champion to ban. if you want to keep alice against one of them, move her down the lineup.

First one with an applicable aura if memory serves.  Which is usually a neat trick to control the bans.

29 авг. 2025, 21:3329.08.25
31.01.20
1724
Leather and Lacing

Are you kidding me? The reason that I left was because the bot put out was Duchess, Siphi and Tormin. THAT isn't a rookie team. Duchess had a 5 star awaken, Siphi had 3 and Tormin had 5. What formula are they using?!?! The only thing I have close to that is Alice and her 5 star was due to logging it. When it comes to removing my champ, they always pick Alice. The teams and gear the bots have are better and faster. I built my team to go second. I can't remember who I removed but I'm sure it was Sun Wukong because he strips my shield and gived me a block debuff. I'm dead in the water then.

If these bot teams are suppose to "help" you climb, it's not working.

Certainly not kidding about the game mechanics. Everyhting I said is factually correct.  

There are definitely some difficult BOT teams, and I have lost to a few myself, but overall, the Bots are relatively easy to beat.

I have no idea why someone at Plarium thought we needed to have the occasional Murder-Bot in LA, but I have no idea what moron comes up with half of the stuff they do. 

31 авг. 2025, 21:117 дней
27.10.24
5
ShortOnSkillz

AFAIK theyre actual accounts that are copied.  At least thats what I've always been led to believe. 

That has to be the STUPIDEST idea ever. Exactly, "who's" account are they coping? Because I can tell you right now, it's NOT the average F2P player's account. EVERY bot I've faced has S tier champs with the best gear and often has awakened champs up to 6 stars. Look at this bot alone...


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They have Embrys, Fabian and a 6 star Royal gaurd! Their gear is WAY better than mine. Even with a 28% speed aura, the Fabian went first. It's insane. If Plarium had any common sense, they would look at the data to see what the bot's W:L ratio is. If their W is higher than 50%, then it's broken. If it was 20% or less, that would be acceptable.

This doesn't encourage trying harder, it makes people stop playing.

1 сент. 2025, 03:177 дней
31.01.20
1724
Leather and Lacing

That has to be the STUPIDEST idea ever. Exactly, "who's" account are they coping? Because I can tell you right now, it's NOT the average F2P player's account. EVERY bot I've faced has S tier champs with the best gear and often has awakened champs up to 6 stars. Look at this bot alone...


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They have Embrys, Fabian and a 6 star Royal gaurd! Their gear is WAY better than mine. Even with a 28% speed aura, the Fabian went first. It's insane. If Plarium had any common sense, they would look at the data to see what the bot's W:L ratio is. If their W is higher than 50%, then it's broken. If it was 20% or less, that would be acceptable.

This doesn't encourage trying harder, it makes people stop playing.

Out of curiosity, how long have you been playing RAID and what are the speeds on your fastest toons?

1 сент. 2025, 05:267 дней
1 сент. 2025, 05:27(отредактировано)
01.07.22
812

First, I think you're a bit too worked up. The fact they're bots means they're easier to beat because they don't use good strategy. Second, this account you lost to isn't great. Embrys is free, Fabian is only 3 star and was a fusion and Stag Knight is a decent epic. Royal guard, even 6 star blessing, isn't a threat in arena. 

Also, you're only level 63. What you NEED to be doing is working on your own team instead of worrying about who you're facing so much. You have not been as "Outmatched" as what you will see with a end-game account in the Gold brackets. 

I promise you, this is only making things worse for yourself and going to frustrate you more. You've gotten good advice from the people here and you'll keep trending upward as long as you beat the bots so again, work on your champs. Build a better arena team, post your roster and get feedback and/or farm more gear (especially from Hydra).

1 сент. 2025, 10:086 дней
26.01.21
75

i feel for lower level players who have to put up with LA. hen LA rolled out. I was already in my level 80s i think so i had a well established roster to take out bot accounts. level 2 might have some trouble against bots because the gear scaling might not be able to take out the ascension power the bots have. its sucks

ShortOnSkillzModerator
1 сент. 2025, 16:336 дней
24.06.19
3523
Leather and Lacing

That has to be the STUPIDEST idea ever. Exactly, "who's" account are they coping? Because I can tell you right now, it's NOT the average F2P player's account. EVERY bot I've faced has S tier champs with the best gear and often has awakened champs up to 6 stars. Look at this bot alone...


i

They have Embrys, Fabian and a 6 star Royal gaurd! Their gear is WAY better than mine. Even with a 28% speed aura, the Fabian went first. It's insane. If Plarium had any common sense, they would look at the data to see what the bot's W:L ratio is. If their W is higher than 50%, then it's broken. If it was 20% or less, that would be acceptable.

This doesn't encourage trying harder, it makes people stop playing.

Couldn't tell you what the criteria is.  But its a wide range for sure.  I've faced bots like that and bots with empowered mythicals.  Your guess is as good as mine. 

1 сент. 2025, 22:006 дней
27.10.24
5
Onikage55

First, I think you're a bit too worked up. The fact they're bots means they're easier to beat because they don't use good strategy. Second, this account you lost to isn't great. Embrys is free, Fabian is only 3 star and was a fusion and Stag Knight is a decent epic. Royal guard, even 6 star blessing, isn't a threat in arena. 

Also, you're only level 63. What you NEED to be doing is working on your own team instead of worrying about who you're facing so much. You have not been as "Outmatched" as what you will see with a end-game account in the Gold brackets. 

I promise you, this is only making things worse for yourself and going to frustrate you more. You've gotten good advice from the people here and you'll keep trending upward as long as you beat the bots so again, work on your champs. Build a better arena team, post your roster and get feedback and/or farm more gear (especially from Hydra).

Wow... it has been awhile since I've heard such an unintelligent answer. Perhaps if you put more thought into it then perhaps it would be useful.

To answer both you and WileyMan, I have been playing for a little over 7 months now. The fastest toon I have is at 238 with most of my champs at around 200. So, before you AH-HA!; yes, I farm dragon 20 rather regularly. However, that doesn't stop the game in giving you absolute junk. My Eostrid is using an Atk% chest because it's the only regen chest I have with speed on it. In fact, my speed artifacts are rather sad as very few have a speed stat and those that do, never seen to roll an upgrade on them. When it comes to boots that have speed as the main atribute, most of them are outside of speed or divine speed so I usually keep up the set bonus for them.

Now, Onikage... (if that is your real name... ;) ), Think about what you JUST said. Embrys is a free fusion. However, I have just recently in the past 6 weeks been able to get the Knight Chest on Chimera normal. I am also in a clan where we are getting 2x chests for easy and normal. However, the drop rate for Embrys fragments are very low for those chests. Every week I get 1 or perhaps 2. Currently, I have 58 fragments, far short of the 100 I need. Also, Fabion was a fusion but wasn't a FREE fusion. To collect his fragments requires a TON of resources. Resources I don't have as being a F2P player. So, it's obvious that the account that was copied HAS those resources. So in conclusion, their Royal Guard HAS good gear. Normally he isn't a high end arena champion but he can be a cannon with his A2 ability. If you don't believe me, test him out. Your arguement that they don't use "good stragety" is weak because none of them use their A1 ability first. They always use their A2 or A3 abilities first. When you have moderate gear on, champs with better gear hit harder and faster. It's silly that you're telling me to gear up better when I'm in silver. I'm not looking to get into gold with my account. I just want to farm the 5 win chest for better gear and hopefully a monthly legend book which are hard to get with a new account.

So, to sum up; TL;DR, of course I'll get better as my account grows older and I get better gear. However, these bot teams are too strong for what you're facing.

1 сент. 2025, 22:196 дней
16.12.21
2027

Wait, do they have bots in silver? I thought that didn't start until gold

ShortOnSkillzModerator
1 сент. 2025, 22:206 дней
24.06.19
3523
Leather and Lacing

Wow... it has been awhile since I've heard such an unintelligent answer. Perhaps if you put more thought into it then perhaps it would be useful.

To answer both you and WileyMan, I have been playing for a little over 7 months now. The fastest toon I have is at 238 with most of my champs at around 200. So, before you AH-HA!; yes, I farm dragon 20 rather regularly. However, that doesn't stop the game in giving you absolute junk. My Eostrid is using an Atk% chest because it's the only regen chest I have with speed on it. In fact, my speed artifacts are rather sad as very few have a speed stat and those that do, never seen to roll an upgrade on them. When it comes to boots that have speed as the main atribute, most of them are outside of speed or divine speed so I usually keep up the set bonus for them.

Now, Onikage... (if that is your real name... ;) ), Think about what you JUST said. Embrys is a free fusion. However, I have just recently in the past 6 weeks been able to get the Knight Chest on Chimera normal. I am also in a clan where we are getting 2x chests for easy and normal. However, the drop rate for Embrys fragments are very low for those chests. Every week I get 1 or perhaps 2. Currently, I have 58 fragments, far short of the 100 I need. Also, Fabion was a fusion but wasn't a FREE fusion. To collect his fragments requires a TON of resources. Resources I don't have as being a F2P player. So, it's obvious that the account that was copied HAS those resources. So in conclusion, their Royal Guard HAS good gear. Normally he isn't a high end arena champion but he can be a cannon with his A2 ability. If you don't believe me, test him out. Your arguement that they don't use "good stragety" is weak because none of them use their A1 ability first. They always use their A2 or A3 abilities first. When you have moderate gear on, champs with better gear hit harder and faster. It's silly that you're telling me to gear up better when I'm in silver. I'm not looking to get into gold with my account. I just want to farm the 5 win chest for better gear and hopefully a monthly legend book which are hard to get with a new account.

So, to sum up; TL;DR, of course I'll get better as my account grows older and I get better gear. However, these bot teams are too strong for what you're facing.

Ill pass your feedback along.  Bots definitely shouldn't be something that cause more stress in an already sensitive game mode. 

1 сент. 2025, 22:426 дней
03.05.20
2042
Leather and Lacing

That has to be the STUPIDEST idea ever. Exactly, "who's" account are they coping? Because I can tell you right now, it's NOT the average F2P player's account. EVERY bot I've faced has S tier champs with the best gear and often has awakened champs up to 6 stars. Look at this bot alone...


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They have Embrys, Fabian and a 6 star Royal gaurd! Their gear is WAY better than mine. Even with a 28% speed aura, the Fabian went first. It's insane. If Plarium had any common sense, they would look at the data to see what the bot's W:L ratio is. If their W is higher than 50%, then it's broken. If it was 20% or less, that would be acceptable.

This doesn't encourage trying harder, it makes people stop playing.

Post your roster and ask the forum for help.  Ask the forum what you can do to have better gear.  This is a very helpful forum with a lot of smart players.  They can help you to build a strategy to improve over time.  They cant help you build a great LA team when you dont have the champs or gear yet.  

You may need to lower your expectations.  Forget about LA for a while and participate in areas when you can have success.  Build up more champs, gear and other resources.  

Good luck.  


2 сент. 2025, 02:046 дней
31.01.20
1724
MooredRat

Wait, do they have bots in silver? I thought that didn't start until gold

Bots have always existed in Bronze & Silver Live Arena.  They were added to Gold around the time of the first LA Season.