Well I'll explain it like this. I go to 1 of my obelisks and select recall, this shows me just my troops and gives me the choice to select which I want to recall. I select all my units and look at the defensive strength at the top. I add up all 3 defensive strengths from each of our 3 obelisks and the value is 802k defensive strength. My statistics shows I have 602k defensive value at our obelisks. Which now makes the statistics bar incorrect or somehow the recall values incorrect. Either way it is hard to manage clan member expected defensive strengths, if I am quoting incorrect numbers.

What is your in game nick? I can''t figure out the difference with this. & can you please also check if you have other legendary units in ob 1, 2 & 3?

i can see lairwatcher in ob1, lairwatcher in ob2 & lairwatcher & consumed one in ob3.

Ok so the end result is, the Statistics tab is not accurate in managing how much defense each clan member has at our OB's. Without matching values and not having intelligent clan members, it would be a nightmare to explain how to not include the bonus. Actual numbers would make this tool useful. 

In your example, real time numbers would be more useful than "analysis in terms of your defense strategy and give you most accurate numbers this thing is implemented."

If I send Lair Watchers and someone else sends supporting units, does the bonus still apply? Or only if I send supporting units with my Lair Watchers? Are Obelisk defenses concidered 1 army?

sammycableguy2003 said:

If I send Lair Watchers and someone else sends supporting units, does the bonus still apply? Or only if I send supporting units with my Lair Watchers? Are Obelisk defenses concidered 1 army?

I would like to have a 2nd opinion on this but i think obelisk army is considered separetaly for each player hence your lair watcher need to have your supporting units.

regarding how player can calculate value of actual defense

they can go to obelisk click recall (on specific obelisk) select all

Defense value will be given at the top and they can simply subtract bonus (which is shown next to base value of legenedary units). Such as 296169.8 is total defense value and you have lair watchers in there and provided bonus by them is 25.25K

final value will be 269169.8-25025

But, Exactly my point. I cannot see the actual value unless I do a the math. I am not prepared to explain the math behind all of this to each clan member or future clan member. So the statistic tool is rendered useless. This is too bad because it is a good concept. Would be nice if it was actually useful. I thought one of the purposes of the Statistics tool was to simplify managing defense values. You might want to rethink this.

Is this a repeat post.  I thought we covered this before.  Click Obelisk/Garrison tab.  The actual, accurate value is under the troops view.  So, scroll past the troops and look at the number below them.  Then add plus 5 percent to that number per value of your obelisk.

http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/16/0301/h_1456865279_8900440_994091c415.png

Pull up the link.  green number is 29.6 mil.  add 25 percent due to being level 5 obelisk.  So actual value is 32 million.  

So without getting my calculator out, I don't have an accurate number. The statistics should reflect the def plus the 25%. 

Thats the point!

As for the bonuses, they cannot be counted each moment for all of your Clan members in real time.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

You can see the basic values, constant ones. The same is with your strength in the statistic tab. You can't see the actual number unless you choose all Units and see all the values with bonuses.

RAV, you can tell your members that bonuses are not included and they can do a little subtraction to find original value.

Additionally i think Plarium dev team can divide the total defense/offense value in two portions.

One is basic & other one is bonus. Total will be collective seen by players & basic will be used by leadership. Hope it will solve the issue to some extent.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

But I don't see any difficulties in managing the basic Defense power. The bonuses are added, not taken away. 

OK let's try one more time. When a clan sets a minimum defense value for their members, one role of leadership is to periodically check to see if their members are contributing their fair share and many base their ranks on it. For this example let's say the number is 500k to get Worm rank... members start messaging leadership and are upset because their numbers show 500k but because the bonuses can't be seen by leadership the leaders only show 400k and not yet eligible ro Worm rank. 

That initial misunderstanding leads to many more messages trying to explain to the members that leaders don't see the correct values in the stats page, and this is repeated ALL the time.

You are right. Bonuses are not shown until you choose the Units. But I don't see any difficulties in managing the basic Defense power. The bonuses are added, not taken away. 

Turbo and CM, here is confirmation that there is no "true" obe number in the game that reflects legendary bonuses, and it also does not reflect the obe lvl bonus. As Sammy and I have outlined, it makes clan management a real problem that should be fixed. Simply add the true calculation to the game!, it gets no simpler.

Anyone can do this test... immediately after daily reset total up all the member values in the "Obe Defense" column in the stats page and compare that with the number that Turbo talks about... the "Reinforcing Armies" number. They are EQUAL.  The 'reinforcing armies" number is updated much more often than the stats numbers. Stats are updated 1 - 3 times a day and the "Reinforcing Armies" number is updated every 7 minutes or so. Today I compiled the totals about 90 minutes after daily reset and they were 1% different, due to troop movements of course.

Ok, so they're equal, what can we say about those two numbers now that we know they are equal? We can say that the stats number of each individual member's obe defense does NOT include legendary bonuses. To prove it just pick multiple members and have them tell you what THEY see when they recall their troops. Do this with multiple members and you'll see that for some members the numbers are pretty close and some members they are very different.

THS RavFour said:

For some reason Sammy, people think that by telling you HOW to calculate the REAL total it's somehow an adequate answer. Anyone that has managed clan members should realize the importance of getting accurate numbers so you can manage properly. Because of this design flaw, it fosters distrust between clan managers and their members because members are ALWAYS calling into question their obelisk requirement minimums.

This can be easily fixed by adding the code to calculate the true numbers (with ALL bonuses) contributed by each member and placing it in the statistics tab.

Secondly, turbomaster above and everywhere else says the number in the "Reinforcing Army" section of each obe garrison screen is the TRUE number plus the obe level bonus (25% for lvl 5). This is demonstrably false and here's why... that number EXACTLY matches the total of the member Obelisk defense in the statistics tab. I total those numbers for my clan and know this to be true. We already know those Obe defense stat numbers vary from person to person and probaby has to do with legendary bonuses but one thing we DO know is that it's NOT matching the calc that turbo suggests (adding 25% for a lvl 5).

I hear you loud and clear and I wish someone would give a hoot about game design around here. 

Could you please show me some screenshots? I would appreciate it.

Also, if you suspect a bug, you can report it to our Support Team. This will make the investigation process faster.

As for the bonuses, they cannot be counted each moment for all of your Clan members in real time. By the way, this game is based on calculations. This is a strategy game, so some things must always be kept in mind while you are playing. Like bonuses, for example. 

You can see the basic values, constant ones. The same is with your strength in the statistic tab. You can't see the actual number unless you choose all Units and see all the values with bonuses.

This may be challenging, but everything is possible for the real player.

sammycableguy2003 said:

So without getting my calculator out, I don't have an accurate number. The statistics should reflect the def plus the 25%. 

Thats the point!

For some reason Sammy, people think that by telling you HOW to calculate the REAL total it's somehow an adequate answer. Anyone that has managed clan members should realize the importance of getting accurate numbers so you can manage properly. Because of this design flaw, it fosters distrust between clan managers and their members because members are ALWAYS calling into question their obelisk requirement minimums.

This can be easily fixed by adding the code to calculate the true numbers (with ALL bonuses) contributed by each member and placing it in the statistics tab.

Secondly, turbomaster above and everywhere else says the number in the "Reinforcing Army" section of each obe garrison screen is the TRUE number plus the obe level bonus (25% for lvl 5). This is demonstrably false and here's why... that number EXACTLY matches the total of the member Obelisk defense in the statistics tab. I total those numbers for my clan and know this to be true. We already know those Obe defense stat numbers vary from person to person and probaby has to do with legendary bonuses but one thing we DO know is that it's NOT matching the calc that turbo suggests (adding 25% for a lvl 5).

In summary.  Sammy Cable Guy is stating that the statistics tab is worthless for understanding precisely where you stand defensively and who is doing their part.  Or how really well defended your OB is.  

All of the moderators are explaining the way the tool that is there is doing the math.  Thank you for that academic exercise but Sammy's point remains.

The tool..as it works right now...is basically....worthless. 

Here's a thought.  Since the math and calculation is simple for the game...FIX IT.

Ok....

Not sure what that had to do with my dilemma, however I understand all of that.

Thanks?