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Apr 6, 2022, 19:2404/06/22
06/25/20
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Give us a few combat AI options

After having defeated more Trunda teams running her A2 against my Skullcrown than I can count, I think it's safe to say that the auto AI doesn't ... always pick the best target.

I'd say just keep it simple. Have three rules you can choose from, on the champion screen:

  • Default (target weakest enemy) - in my above example, Trunda will continue to be braindead and waste her A2 on a target with no health and unkillable, and thus do no spillover damage
  • Maximize potential damage to a single target - this time she'll target based on affinity most likely, to maximize how much damage she can do to one target. It'd also mean she'd ignore those low-hp targets, because the potential damage is very small (to that target, since it's almost dead) 
  • Maximize overall potential damage - lastly, she'll prioritize the enemy with the lowest HP that can actually be killed, thus resulting in the highest potential spillover damage

I'm sure there's more rules that can be added, but these would probably suffice for most situations. It'd also help for all those lovely times where your big hitter does their awesome nuke against the guy with 1 hp, instead of letting your support finish them off.

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harleQuinnModerator
Apr 6, 2022, 19:2604/06/22
02/24/19
8091

I'm with you here.

Apr 6, 2022, 19:3304/06/22
12/19/19
6968

I'm not. I rely on bad AI to beat better teams. :) imagine siphi/rotos combos with good AI on defense. No thanks, lol.


harleQuinnModerator
Apr 6, 2022, 20:3704/06/22
02/24/19
8091
Trips

I'm not. I rely on bad AI to beat better teams. :) imagine siphi/rotos combos with good AI on defense. No thanks, lol.


You will have to improve your account and champs, Trips. What is it you tell people to do?? .... hmmmm......

XD XD

Apr 6, 2022, 20:4404/06/22
12/19/19
6968
harleQuinn

You will have to improve your account and champs, Trips. What is it you tell people to do?? .... hmmmm......

XD XD

At 99 mith fragments.  That will be my next champ.  We only have 2 levels unlocked, but arena gonna be a b1tch when she is more prevalent... what a pain. 

harleQuinnModerator
Apr 6, 2022, 20:4704/06/22
02/24/19
8091
Trips

At 99 mith fragments.  That will be my next champ.  We only have 2 levels unlocked, but arena gonna be a b1tch when she is more prevalent... what a pain. 

Bomb meta incoming!!!

Apr 6, 2022, 20:4904/06/22
06/25/20
7024
Trips

At 99 mith fragments.  That will be my next champ.  We only have 2 levels unlocked, but arena gonna be a b1tch when she is more prevalent... what a pain. 

Curious what team you plan on using her for. Her kit definitely seems interesting, but I'm not sure I see why you think she's gonna be so meta-changing.

Apr 7, 2022, 14:4604/07/22
12/19/19
6968

I don't have a specific team yet, but she will be in my  tag defense for sure.  I think Wythir, Duchess,???.

4th pprobably test out different options to see what does better. 


Oct 1, 2024, 13:2410/01/24
12/16/21
2073

well, BOT, i doubt plarium would add a game made by a competitor

But a damned nice try. I give it an 'A'

Oct 1, 2024, 13:3310/01/24
12/19/19
6968
MooredRat

well, BOT, i doubt plarium would add a game made by a competitor

But a damned nice try. I give it an 'A'

Funny seeing kram, Q and I having same conversation s2.5 years ago...



Oct 1, 2024, 13:3910/01/24
12/16/21
2073

Did you ever get around to building her? 😂

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Oct 1, 2024, 13:4810/01/24
06/24/19
3583

That's a fair question.  This is Trips after all

Oct 1, 2024, 14:1210/01/24
12/19/19
6968
MooredRat

Did you ever get around to building her? 😂

Lol. Yes, and while not a meta changing champ of course she is still a staple in my pvp defenses/offense and utilized extensively in pve as well.


Oct 1, 2024, 16:5210/01/24
01/31/20
1772

You don't think Mithrala changed the Arena Meta? She was everywhere for at least 6 months and remains an S Tier Arena Toon, although she certainly is no longer Meta-Defining.  

dthorne04Moderator
Oct 1, 2024, 17:1010/01/24
12/30/20
7540
WileyMan

You don't think Mithrala changed the Arena Meta? She was everywhere for at least 6 months and remains an S Tier Arena Toon, although she certainly is no longer Meta-Defining.  

she is in no way S tier, though can be good on the right teams

the shift towards obnoxiously ubiquitous stone skin was not a helpful one for her

Oct 1, 2024, 17:2210/01/24
12/19/19
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WileyMan

You don't think Mithrala changed the Arena Meta? She was everywhere for at least 6 months and remains an S Tier Arena Toon, although she certainly is no longer Meta-Defining.  

I have enough trouble remembering yesterday, so can't recollect that far back.  Meta changing, idk. Significantly impactful then and now, yes for me. 

On offense in 3v3/siege (only relevant pvp for me now) I use nearly 100% of the time still. I think she is in my 3v3 defense most weeks, not sure because you still CANT FUKKING USE PRESETS ON DEFENSE... and I struggle to set a defensive trio worthy of g4, and detest having to set the skills...



Oct 1, 2024, 17:3510/01/24
01/31/20
1772
dthorne04

she is in no way S tier, though can be good on the right teams

the shift towards obnoxiously ubiquitous stone skin was not a helpful one for her

IMO, Mithrala almost single-handedly ended the Bomb Meta once people got her and figured her out.  Bombs were the immediate first reaction to Stoneskin, as designed by Plarium to finally make Bombs have a place in the game.

Ayumi & HH both Rate Mithrala as S-Tier (Ayumi) and 5S (HH) Overall and in Arena Specifically.

I think that Arena has somewhat passed her by, but she certainly had her moment in the sun.  I still use her in one of my 3v3 Defense teams and sometimes on offense as well.

dthorne04Moderator
Oct 1, 2024, 18:2510/01/24
12/30/20
7540
WileyMan

IMO, Mithrala almost single-handedly ended the Bomb Meta once people got her and figured her out.  Bombs were the immediate first reaction to Stoneskin, as designed by Plarium to finally make Bombs have a place in the game.

Ayumi & HH both Rate Mithrala as S-Tier (Ayumi) and 5S (HH) Overall and in Arena Specifically.

I think that Arena has somewhat passed her by, but she certainly had her moment in the sun.  I still use her in one of my 3v3 Defense teams and sometimes on offense as well.

Without expounding too much I don't necessarily care too much about what sites rate what. :) I don't think it matters, much at all.

There just are - and have been - more efficient cleansers from a utility standpoint. Elva, Pythion, Ankora come to mind. Then there's Mari, of course. I think in this meta you really, really need your utility champs to affect turn meter even if in a minuscule fashion. 

S tier to me implies irreplaceable or close, and I don't really think she's ever been that and certainly isn't now. There are times of course that one may lack certain champs but then that becomes a question of necessity rather than being truly S tier. 

ShortOnSkillzModerator
Oct 1, 2024, 19:3710/01/24
06/24/19
3583
dthorne04

Without expounding too much I don't necessarily care too much about what sites rate what. :) I don't think it matters, much at all.

There just are - and have been - more efficient cleansers from a utility standpoint. Elva, Pythion, Ankora come to mind. Then there's Mari, of course. I think in this meta you really, really need your utility champs to affect turn meter even if in a minuscule fashion. 

S tier to me implies irreplaceable or close, and I don't really think she's ever been that and certainly isn't now. There are times of course that one may lack certain champs but then that becomes a question of necessity rather than being truly S tier. 

Agreed.  She's certainly viable but I think it'd be a stretch to even call her meta anymore.  Really don't see her getting much play anywhere anymore.