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Aug 6, 2025, 20:5008/06/25
04/24/22
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I think it’s about time to put an end to this trash

I cannot get Drew to say anything meaningful in regards to the concerns we have no matter what I do so I think I'll burn it all down finally. They'll ban us for saying words like "shady" and "greedy" and "rotten" because they don't want us saying things that harm their reputation. But they seem to forget that what determines a company's reputation is based on their actions. These words are only reflective of the reputation the company already has with players. Saying these simply makes people aware. But that's exactly the real reason they censor these words. It's not that they don't want people harming their reputation. They don't want word of their reputation getting out.

So here is the plan. I will be turning the entire community against payrium. This subsection of the forum I can tell is already totally sour I can tell. So I'll start with the remaining subsections of MA forum and MA reddit. Then I'll move on to the discord. And after that social media. And I expect the results of my work will be a substial but gradual increase in negative reviews. Finally after I'm done with Wallet Arena here I'll move on to Paid Shadow Legends. I've not played that one but I've heard things about it. I can learn everything I need to turn just about everyone's opinions sour from player testimonials.

Payrium has censored negative reviews on app and play store for mech arena in the past when they have come in large quantities at once. Not because they were inorganic though but because the same reason they bully us with rules here. They want to control the narrative. The truth is they do not care about the fact that players are upset and quitting. As long as they can keep pulling in new players. That's why they want to control the narrative. They want to keep the game appealing to new players on the surface. Because when they open the "game" that's when they got them. It will seem fun at first. Then slowly as they progress through divisions they get closer and closer to matchmaking hell until finally they reach league division 1 and are immersed in full fledged "f*ck you, pay up" matchmaking. But by then they could be hooked. Or they've already paid and they didn't take such a big fall. Sunk cost fallacy is already already is in effect. Now they have to get value out of their purchase. So they have to play. And they have to feel like it too. So they get a matchmaking advantage. But of course that eventually wears off. So they have to pay again!

I sh*t you not when I say back in that brief period when matchmaking was actually fair you had p2ps moaning because they weren't immediately being rewarded for dropping a wad of cash and they actually had to build their hangar smart and have skill to compete. You don't hear those complaints anymore. And I don't believe the reason for that is because their minds were changed at all it's because matchmaking rewards them for being skillless wallet warriors now.

Now that I'm done with that tangent, why have I planned this? Payrium wants to control the narrative to keep the game appealing to new players. I will take it our of their control. To slowly and methodically turn opinions sour to create a slow buildup of organic reviews payrium will not get away with censoring. To turn the community so decisively against plarium they lose control of the narrative entirely. To expose on the surface to potential new players the rot within.

When new players stop coming in Wallet Arena, Paid Shadow Legends, and scammy pig dev company Payrium finally dies. Depending on how long it takes you could have time to course correct and save Wallet Arena or Paid Shadow Legends. Or at least the company. Though I don't know what y do after your golden goose dies. It didn't have to be this way. Payrium chose this.

Edited: explicit language is prohibited

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CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 10:0108/07/25
02/10/23
2761

Hello again.

First of all, your text is provocative. It's not even about its main points. As I said before, we accept criticism. No, it's about explicit language and provocations. I know that you are aware that we prohibit strong language, but you are still using it. Aren't my bans expected and fair in this regard? Yes, they are.

It's not the first post of yours where you are surprised by our actions regarding calling our company, game, or team "shady", "greedy", and "rotten". These words are de facto inflammatory and derogatory language that constitutes personal attacks and does not foster a healthy or respectful discussion environment. I know that you will state something like "it's your fault". or "I use them because of your actions/behavior". No, it doesn't work in this way. It's a clear reason for a ban, and if I see something like that again, I will ban you permanently. 

Secondly, our rules on all our social media prohibit any type of boycott. You're not the first or last to try such an affair. It won't work out; it's already been proven multiple times. Really, save your time and effort.

Finally, we've never censored negative reviews. Moreover, if I'm not mistaken, it's not possible on such platforms as the Google Play and App Store, but I'm not sure, though. Once again, criticism is good; it helps us to point out details on which we need to work. Although aggressive posts full of hate may contain criticism, it's aggressive posts full of hate first - that's why we don't welcome such stuff.

I replied to your comment to confirm that you are not ignored because of the game-related questions you are asking. Actually, you've been heard all the time. The work on the Matchmaking for Hangar Showdown is in progress of fine-tuning. Although it does not perform perfectly right now, it's a totally new mechanic that eventually must be fun and open up a lot of new opportunities for us. It's a priority for now, but later we will tune other problematic game mechanics.

This message is my last warning. If you don't stop, all your accounts will be permanently banned. 

Aug 7, 2025, 12:2508/07/25
Aug 7, 2025, 12:28(edited)
01/17/21
211

You'd really permanently ban someone for calling this company "shady" "geeedy" and or "rotten"? Doing that only proves that this company is exactly what you are banning people from saying.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 13:1308/07/25
02/10/23
2761
korrosion

You'd really permanently ban someone for calling this company "shady" "geeedy" and or "rotten"? Doing that only proves that this company is exactly what you are banning people from saying.

Not really. You can reread the messages of the banned users; they contain much more than that.

Aug 7, 2025, 13:2508/07/25
01/17/21
211
CrystalDrew

Not really. You can reread the messages of the banned users; they contain much more than that.

"Not really" .. Yeah that's not what I'm asking.. to quote YOU "It's not the first post of yours where you are surprised by our actions regarding calling our company, game, or team "shady", "greedy", and "rotten". These words are de facto inflammatory and derogatory language" also "Secondly, our rules on all our social media prohibit any type of boycott." All of this was said about the company being called "shady" "greedy" and "rotten" .. so I'll ask again, saying that this company is "Shady" "Greedy" and "Rotten" gets a person a permanent ban if they say any of those words directly towards the company? A straight forward answer would be cool if you are ever capable of doing so.

Aug 7, 2025, 13:4708/07/25
Aug 7, 2025, 13:52(edited)
04/24/22
47

This is your last warning? No read the post again. This is MY last warning.

Firstly "shady", "rotten", "greedy". Inflammatory? Perhaps. But in this case it's honest. Deragatory? Sure. Doesn't foster a healthy or respectful discussion environment? Wrong. A company being shady, rotten and greedy doesn't foster a healthy discussion environment. Like the rotten company you work for arguing and condescending players and ignoring them when complicit with the rules and banning them when not. Or your support arguing with and condescending players. Those things are ROTTEN. And they ARE the fault of payrium. It's not your players's fault for telling you how they feel about it. You just want an excuse not to engage. How many times do I have to say this? Go ahead, ban all my accounts, if you believe that's possible. You call it aggressive behavior to point this out. I'm simply telling you the truth.

Secondly none of your social media rules "prohibit any type of boycott". You can't ban boycotts that's not how it works. All your rules do is prohibit calling for a boycott. I can do everything I need to bring down Wallet Arena and Payrium within the rules on your social media. And like I said my plan is not to get everyone boycotting all immediately at once. It will be slow and methodical. And the word "boycott" won't even be uttered. You can try and stop it by creating new rules to try and tighten control on the narrative but those efforts will be fruitless.

Thirdly yes payrium has censored reviews plenty of players including myself witnessed it with our own eyes. You weren't with us then at least as CM or anything so I'll forgive you for being ignorant. But ask any player who was around when they increased the price of a-coins in the shop way back. It happened. I'm sure your contacts are required to tell you the lie it didn't happen. And I think you are mistaken because it is possible, it happened so obviously it must be somehow possible.

Thanks for the reply here but I know you will still ignore all my important points and just ban me for refusing to capitulate to your most restrictive rules even though I did not curse or anything else just got "aggressive" by telling you the truth that payrium is responsible for how players perceive them. You even said so yourself. I'll try and make my game related points as quickly as possible before you ban this account. Let's see how far I can take this obeying as many rules as I possibly can while still being honest though.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 13:4808/07/25
02/10/23
2761
korrosion

"Not really" .. Yeah that's not what I'm asking.. to quote YOU "It's not the first post of yours where you are surprised by our actions regarding calling our company, game, or team "shady", "greedy", and "rotten". These words are de facto inflammatory and derogatory language" also "Secondly, our rules on all our social media prohibit any type of boycott." All of this was said about the company being called "shady" "greedy" and "rotten" .. so I'll ask again, saying that this company is "Shady" "Greedy" and "Rotten" gets a person a permanent ban if they say any of those words directly towards the company? A straight forward answer would be cool if you are ever capable of doing so.

No. In this text, I'm referring not only to this but also to many other similar comments.

Aug 7, 2025, 13:4908/07/25
01/17/21
211
CrystalDrew

Not really. You can reread the messages of the banned users; they contain much more than that.

Will Using any of these words cause a ban from you or this company if directed towards the company?...

Deceitfulness: Implies a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.

Dishonesty: A general term for not being truthful or trustworthy.

Trickiness: Suggests cleverness in deception.

Underhandedness: Indicates secretive and unfair methods.

Cunning: Similar to trickiness, implying cleverness and guile. Suspiciousness: Suggests a feeling that something is not right or is questionable.

Dubious: Indicates uncertainty or doubt.

Questionable: Suggests something is open to doubt or suspicion.

Fishy: An informal term indicating something seems suspicious or wrong.

Shady: Directly related to the word "shadiness", implying something is not entirely honest or trustworthy.

Crooked: Implies dishonesty and unethical behavior. Slyness: Suggests a clever and secretive way of doing things.

Shiftiness: Implies a lack of stability and reliability.

Deviousness: Suggests a tendency to use indirect or underhanded methods.

Secretiveness: Implies a tendency to keep things hidden.

I'm sure anything negative that's correctly implied about this company will cause a ban because you all can't handle the truth so you silence it. Being banned for using these words is just more proof of all these words being truthful.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 13:5408/07/25
02/10/23
2761
Guzzler

This is your last warning? No read the post again. This is MY last warning.

Firstly "shady", "rotten", "greedy". Inflammatory? Perhaps. But in this case it's honest. Deragatory? Sure. Doesn't foster a healthy or respectful discussion environment? Wrong. A company being shady, rotten and greedy doesn't foster a healthy discussion environment. Like the rotten company you work for arguing and condescending players and ignoring them when complicit with the rules and banning them when not. Or your support arguing with and condescending players. Those things are ROTTEN. And they ARE the fault of payrium. It's not your players's fault for telling you how they feel about it. You just want an excuse not to engage. How many times do I have to say this? Go ahead, ban all my accounts, if you believe that's possible. You call it aggressive behavior to point this out. I'm simply telling you the truth.

Secondly none of your social media rules "prohibit any type of boycott". You can't ban boycotts that's not how it works. All your rules do is prohibit calling for a boycott. I can do everything I need to bring down Wallet Arena and Payrium within the rules on your social media. And like I said my plan is not to get everyone boycotting all immediately at once. It will be slow and methodical. And the word "boycott" won't even be uttered. You can try and stop it by creating new rules to try and tighten control on the narrative but those efforts will be fruitless.

Thirdly yes payrium has censored reviews plenty of players including myself witnessed it with our own eyes. You weren't with us then at least as CM or anything so I'll forgive you for being ignorant. But ask any player who was around when they increased the price of a-coins in the shop way back. It happened. I'm sure your contacts are required to tell you the lie it didn't happen. And I think you are mistaken because it is possible, it happened so obviously it must be somehow possible.

Thanks for the reply here but I know you will still ignore all my important points and just ban me for refusing to capitulate to your most restrictive rules even though I did not curse or anything else just got "aggressive" by telling you the truth that payrium is responsible for how players perceive them. You even said so yourself. I'll try and make my game related points as quickly as possible before you ban this account. Let's see how far I can take this obeying as many rules as I possibly can while still being honest though.

I've explained everything in my previous comment. I see a lot of mistaken facts here, but anyway, 

I will repeat it the last time: I'm not here to deal with what you consider right or wrong, and neither to consider your interpretation of the rules. I'm here to answer your questions, which are asked in a civil way. If you have some - go on, I'm up to help you. If no, then no.

Aug 7, 2025, 13:5508/07/25
01/17/21
211
CrystalDrew

No. In this text, I'm referring not only to this but also to many other similar comments.

You say no but you've recently banned one of my accounts for saying that this company is "shady" "greedy" and "rotten" with NOTHING else in it to cause a ban from you. Just those 3 words directed towards the game/company. So you're going to tell me No when it's truly a Yes?

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 13:5708/07/25
02/10/23
2761
korrosion

Will Using any of these words cause a ban from you or this company if directed towards the company?...

Deceitfulness: Implies a deliberate misrepresentation of the truth.

Dishonesty: A general term for not being truthful or trustworthy.

Trickiness: Suggests cleverness in deception.

Underhandedness: Indicates secretive and unfair methods.

Cunning: Similar to trickiness, implying cleverness and guile. Suspiciousness: Suggests a feeling that something is not right or is questionable.

Dubious: Indicates uncertainty or doubt.

Questionable: Suggests something is open to doubt or suspicion.

Fishy: An informal term indicating something seems suspicious or wrong.

Shady: Directly related to the word "shadiness", implying something is not entirely honest or trustworthy.

Crooked: Implies dishonesty and unethical behavior. Slyness: Suggests a clever and secretive way of doing things.

Shiftiness: Implies a lack of stability and reliability.

Deviousness: Suggests a tendency to use indirect or underhanded methods.

Secretiveness: Implies a tendency to keep things hidden.

I'm sure anything negative that's correctly implied about this company will cause a ban because you all can't handle the truth so you silence it. Being banned for using these words is just more proof of all these words being truthful.

If you leave tens or hundreds of comments and bans with these words in caps lock, along with offending our company, colleagues, and games - yes, it will cause a ban.

If it's just your feedback left in a civil way, I will process your feedback and pass it on to the team. We are constantly working on all kinds of improvements.

Aug 7, 2025, 14:0408/07/25
Aug 7, 2025, 14:06(edited)
04/24/22
47

Care to tell me what I've got wrong?

Also since I've finally got your attention, what's the real purpose of bots? Players are obviously frustrated. You say you need the bots to fill matches that can't find enough players of similar power. But this seems like an excuse. Can you find no other solution to pair more players of similar power together? Like for example, extending the matchmaking timer.

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 7, 2025, 14:1208/07/25
02/10/23
2761
Guzzler

Care to tell me what I've got wrong?

Also since I've finally got your attention, what's the real purpose of bots? Players are obviously frustrated. You say you need the bots to fill matches that can't find enough players of similar power. But this seems like an excuse. Can you find no other solution to pair more players of similar power together? Like for example, extending the matchmaking timer.

It's not an excuse, but a real purpose why there are bots in 5v5, FFA, and CPC. The Matchmaking system of these Modes works in such a way, and at this point, it's unlikely that it may be changed in terms of the bots. However, if there are enough online players in your region, the number of bots will be small.

The Hangar Showdown Mode uses a different Matchmaking approach and thus, it has a few bots. Currently, it's our priority, so the Matchmaking adjustments for this Mode are coming sooner.

Aug 7, 2025, 15:5408/07/25
Aug 7, 2025, 18:34(edited)
04/24/22
47

Sorry but I just don't believe you. The real purpose of bots is to rig matches. Why else did it take you this long to simply say you have no intention to make changes? You know another reason I think you've been avoiding important questions? Your team must have figured nobody wanted to hear that given we've only been complaining about them for FOUR STINKING YEARS! And we had already been speculating you wouldn't make changes because you need the bots to rig matches. Why else are you not making changes?

You know that bots push players away, don't you? So many players quit. So many youtubers I watch who played mech arena quit because they are tired of seeing bots all the time winning matches for worse performing players. These people at least came from or were aware of war robots like many in the MA community. People who came from war robots would rather play war robots. Over there you'll find pretty much the same BS as here except they don't have bots. Also they already had a lot more invested in war robots. Big Tony no longer does mech arena. Manni Gaming no longer does mech arena. He was the biggest potential gain I think from war robots as as far as I know he's their biggest youtuber. And they rightfully quit. Why would they invest more time and money into a game that first of all their audience will likely not see because of how youtube's algorithm work, when it's the same thing but somehow worse? War robots at least has all real players. Making it closer to a real game than this nonsense.

On top of that some people who started with MA are also quitting or pulling back how much they play. Like mixfant gaming quit long ago in part because of the stupid stinking bots. Scape211 is no longer doing videos and playing only 2-3 battles a day. His priorities have shifted to his family. But they used to play too. I can only figure they lost interest. Maybe they do not consider mech arena with its seemingly manipulative tactics appropriate for their family. We can only speculate why. But if it's anything like the reasons others have stopped I think I know why.

Players have been DEMANDING a solution to the bot problem. What do you mean it's unlikely matcmaking is going to be changed in terms of bots? So they just have to deal with this feature that so often has players saying they feel that control of the match is being stripped from them? NO THAT ISN'T FUN! WHAT LOGICAL COMPANY EXPECTS THAT FROM THEIR PLAYERS? UNLESS THEY ARE TRULY RIPPING CONTROL OF THE MATCHES FROM THE PLAYERS? ARE YOU JOKING?! Sorry if this seems aggressive but I just can't wrap my head around WHY?!

Aug 7, 2025, 17:0508/07/25
04/24/22
47

By the way you haven't explained what I got wrong.

Aug 8, 2025, 12:5008/08/25
09/19/18
109
korrosion

You'd really permanently ban someone for calling this company "shady" "geeedy" and or "rotten"? Doing that only proves that this company is exactly what you are banning people from saying.

instead they did it....

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 8, 2025, 13:2608/08/25
02/10/23
2761
Guzzler

Sorry but I just don't believe you. The real purpose of bots is to rig matches. Why else did it take you this long to simply say you have no intention to make changes? You know another reason I think you've been avoiding important questions? Your team must have figured nobody wanted to hear that given we've only been complaining about them for FOUR STINKING YEARS! And we had already been speculating you wouldn't make changes because you need the bots to rig matches. Why else are you not making changes?

You know that bots push players away, don't you? So many players quit. So many youtubers I watch who played mech arena quit because they are tired of seeing bots all the time winning matches for worse performing players. These people at least came from or were aware of war robots like many in the MA community. People who came from war robots would rather play war robots. Over there you'll find pretty much the same BS as here except they don't have bots. Also they already had a lot more invested in war robots. Big Tony no longer does mech arena. Manni Gaming no longer does mech arena. He was the biggest potential gain I think from war robots as as far as I know he's their biggest youtuber. And they rightfully quit. Why would they invest more time and money into a game that first of all their audience will likely not see because of how youtube's algorithm work, when it's the same thing but somehow worse? War robots at least has all real players. Making it closer to a real game than this nonsense.

On top of that some people who started with MA are also quitting or pulling back how much they play. Like mixfant gaming quit long ago in part because of the stupid stinking bots. Scape211 is no longer doing videos and playing only 2-3 battles a day. His priorities have shifted to his family. But they used to play too. I can only figure they lost interest. Maybe they do not consider mech arena with its seemingly manipulative tactics appropriate for their family. We can only speculate why. But if it's anything like the reasons others have stopped I think I know why.

Players have been DEMANDING a solution to the bot problem. What do you mean it's unlikely matcmaking is going to be changed in terms of bots? So they just have to deal with this feature that so often has players saying they feel that control of the match is being stripped from them? NO THAT ISN'T FUN! WHAT LOGICAL COMPANY EXPECTS THAT FROM THEIR PLAYERS? UNLESS THEY ARE TRULY RIPPING CONTROL OF THE MATCHES FROM THE PLAYERS? ARE YOU JOKING?! Sorry if this seems aggressive but I just can't wrap my head around WHY?!

Will take this feedback into account, thanks. However, as I mentioned, no changes for bots are planned for now. Besides, I have raised questions about bots pushing/blocking players, but it was confirmed that it's a game's technical feature, and it's not likely to be solved.

Aug 8, 2025, 14:1708/08/25
04/24/22
47
CrystalDrew

Will take this feedback into account, thanks. However, as I mentioned, no changes for bots are planned for now. Besides, I have raised questions about bots pushing/blocking players, but it was confirmed that it's a game's technical feature, and it's not likely to be solved.

Thank you. I made no mention of bots pushing players but this is a pain point too. Also certainly steps can be taken to minimize such a thing, right? Anyways I meant it often feels it takes control from the players in the sense of winning and losing.

Aug 8, 2025, 14:3408/08/25
04/24/22
47

The reason I have quit mech arena multiple times the reason I've been so upset is I see the same problems that make me quit every time the stuff that not just myself but many others have been complaining go unchanged. From bots to matchmaking to incomplete features of features that feel like they could use a little more substance.

I think one thing that upsets many players is feeling like we have little to no control over the direction of mech arena. I don't think we get player requested changes very often. Even if you count only our most requested ones.

Aug 12, 2025, 12:2808/12/25
04/24/22
47
Guzzler

The reason I have quit mech arena multiple times the reason I've been so upset is I see the same problems that make me quit every time the stuff that not just myself but many others have been complaining go unchanged. From bots to matchmaking to incomplete features of features that feel like they could use a little more substance.

I think one thing that upsets many players is feeling like we have little to no control over the direction of mech arena. I don't think we get player requested changes very often. Even if you count only our most requested ones.

Just wondering if Drew saw this message. It's unclear if he did

CrystalDrewCommunity Manager
Aug 13, 2025, 11:0308/13/25
02/10/23
2761
Guzzler

Just wondering if Drew saw this message. It's unclear if he did

I understand your point. It's confirmed that players' feedback plays a huge role in the development of Mech Arena, but at the same time, we have a number of certain circumstances, plans, and subtleties that can have more priority at some points.