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Oct 22, 2020, 10:3810/22/20
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We need info on the future of the game

As a league leader I am continually fielding questions from people about whether the game will continue past Dec 31 (end of flash). I don't just get those questions from members of my league but it's being increasingly asked by everyone you come in contact with in the game.

It's got to such a state, a lot of people are starting to discuss plans for what their "end of game" should look like. How they will go out with a bang, who they don't like and how to go out all guns blazing.

The original official statement saying the game was committed to continuing with Flash post EoL was highly unconvincing.

It was great to go beyond that and hear in the last couple of months that there are "two projects" being investigated, presumably to port the game off Flash so it has a guaranteed future. That gave me some hope.

But we need firm information and updates as to how these are progressing. We are virtually within 2 months of the possible end of the game and we have virtually very little info from Plarium. 

I have pointed out to people that, why would Plarium release new updates like Champ quests if the game was ending. But they just say that "they would keep releasing small updates to give the impression there was still commitment to the game".

The most difficult argument to counter is that if Plarium have a firm plan which they believe will be successful they would tell us about it. There is no logical reason not to communicate "good" news like that. The only reason to work in a cloud of secrecy is if there is no plan, or that the plans don't have a good chance of success.

Hopefully it's not the latter. So I urge you to share more details of what is going on. What are you working on? How is it going? When might it be ready. Do you want/need any help testing it?

We need more info urgently.

(the longer we have no more info, the worse the speculation becomes)
 

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Oct 22, 2020, 13:4610/22/20
Oct 22, 2020, 13:47(edited)
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In August they announced they were working on two project that were not the App (see this thread - it might have gone unnoticed in announcements by some).

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/54_-news-and-announcements/201621_important--our-plans-for-the-end-of-flash-support/


It doesn't explicitly say they are working on ports to new technology but I don't see what else those "projects" could be, as the post makes it clear they aren't app related. 

That announcement was in Aug we are now nearly end of Oct. Half the time to "D Day" expired since then.




AlinaCommunity Manager
Oct 22, 2020, 14:2210/22/20
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Hi, guys! I understand you're concerned, but I would like to assure you that we do have a plan and we're actively working on it. We also have Plan B, so you won't be left without a solution, no worries here. 


As soon as we have a detailed instruction, we'll post it. It's quite possible soon you'll see good news from us. Cheers! 

Oct 22, 2020, 15:0410/22/20
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Alina said:


Hi, guys! I understand you're concerned, but I would like to assure you that we do have a plan and we're actively working on it. We also have Plan B, so you won't be left without a solution, no worries here. 


As soon as we have a detailed instruction, we'll post it. It's quite possible soon you'll see good news from us. Cheers! 

I understand that these plans are a secret so sinister that no one in the game should know about it.  Why else would you need to hide this us from the players who have been playing this game for over 6 years?  

These plans are shrouded in mystery, secrecy and we are left to speculate about them. 

We do not know what they are. We do not know when we will be told what they are? We do not know when they will be ready. 


We do not know anything. 

  • We need to know the options available on the table
  • The possibility of Plarium closing the game.  
  • We also need to know whether they will continue with flash 
  • what is the risk involved with using flash, given the wannacry of 2017 
  • And how are they going to protect us given hacks like the  
  • What is the probability of porting the game 
  • And if they are porting, what is the progress.  

I will understand if the plan is to continue with flash. If so, then you will need to answer the question of security.


Oct 23, 2020, 09:0710/23/20
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fURY said:


i think of plarium play as a good one to begin with

it supports 10 accounts with ease to change to each and play 

Plarium Play is stll flash. You can continue with flash, but you will need to replace the investment that Adobe is putting in making Flash secure. 


Is this what Plarium is planning to do. To maintain security issues and vulnerabilities in flash?


Let us be reasonable fURY. Flash is hacked on a minimum of three times in a week. Plarium can't fix a raid bug from 2014. So how is Plarium going to keep us safe from North Korean hackers? Some of us access this game on large corporate networks. It will be a disaster if I would become a cause of my corporation being hacked because I love playing an MMORPG game.  

MicAdmin
Oct 23, 2020, 09:4610/23/20
02/22/19
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Alina said:


Hi, guys! I understand you're concerned, but I would like to assure you that we do have a plan and we're actively working on it. We also have Plan B, so you won't be left without a solution, no worries here. 


As soon as we have a detailed instruction, we'll post it. It's quite possible soon you'll see good news from us. Cheers! 

Well...well...well , for me the Word of a Community Manager is enough insurance , and give me faith , so i am sure the game will not stop !

As for the plarium com platform is everything ok since there is plarium play !
Oct 23, 2020, 19:4910/23/20
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As for those that still are not getting it or think it doesn't concern them because they are on plarium .com ...there is a vast majority of players who are not on Plarium Play or Plarium.com !!!

Just because a CM says they have a plan doesn't mean anything ...i have a plan too , multiple to be honest, whether they will be executed is a whole different ballgame .

3 yrs since Flash was labeled to be EoL at the end of 2020 ...3 YEARS !!!
A failed conversion attempt 
And now 2 months before deadline : We have a PLAN ?!?!?!?!

Come on ..... a plan needs to be executed and tested to work ....and that would magically happen in 2 months where there was 3 years to do so ???
And shrouding it in darkness makes it all even less likely .

You want this discussion to stop ?? Lift the veil before it is too late .

If you can mention you have a plan , you can also explain what it is ...especially if it is 2 minutes to midnight !

Oct 23, 2020, 22:4610/23/20
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theyr designing new everything everyday ! theyll be announcing a new forum which is not even needed in my opinion to better the environment players have some activity in.if a game was about to end owners wouldnt have invested in something like new forum 2 months before flash end...

dj moody used an analogy,let me use one too

all these is like a stadium full with people when someone in middle screams a bomb/an earthquake,anything ,the casualty there when people trying to get out would be much more than a catastrophe that might have been caused by the actual announced thing


u have concerns,so do i,im a player too

so i take note of everything that everything that everyone says and will try my best theyr heard by game team.just because im debating does not mean i do not accept the facts ! 

but when it goes beyond that its just creating more panic

a plarium representative already said they have plans !

Oct 23, 2020, 23:2710/23/20
Oct 25, 2020, 15:00(edited)
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A forum update/upgrade is honestly nothing compared to a game,, a rather poor comparison..

I have and will continue to bite my tongue about the games future,,, you can search and read it elsewhere (Edited )

One thing I have not looked into , or seen mentioned.

What is the parent company doing???? (aristocrat)

Oct 23, 2020, 23:5610/23/20
Oct 23, 2020, 23:57(edited)
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i will not disagree,as it might be ! but  they're trying

 and its the gist of what iv been trying to say

panic just bring more panic

anyways lets hope for the best


Oct 25, 2020, 00:3510/25/20
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Snowgoon said:


Plarium browser games don't actually need flash .... they do have alternatives already.


Throne has been running quite happily on plarium.com for a very long time, but has never used flash

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/54_-news-and-announcements/128446_plarium-play-app--we-need-your-feedback-/?post=808351

I think the issue in this case is that was developed for mobile that can run in browser. Later development teams and tech??

Just guessing.
Oct 25, 2020, 02:4410/25/20
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fURY said:


as far as i know all plarium games need flash snowgoon,roadster pitbull

dnt know about throne and this case mentioned

i'll ask around and will let u guys know

.com browser games all require flash,, atleast some mobile games do not.

Oct 25, 2020, 02:0210/25/20
Oct 25, 2020, 02:09(edited)
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They will have legal issues with Facebook.

Facebook make money attracting you to a user interface and bombarding you with advertising through it. Of course in Gamesroom they also take cut of the game revenue.

If FB simply allowed their customers to access games via through 3rd part developer apps they would:

- have lost your off their planform/ and lost the ability to advertise to you

- have no way to take their cut of the revenue (or even know what revenue is being made)

So while technically it's probably reasonable simple to allow you to access the game via the Play app, the commercial issues around allowing it to happen are going to be pretty complex.

Bear in mind that Facebook is HUGE. Plarium is not (not in the grand scheme of large companies). Individual games developers won't have much power in negotiating terms with FB - it will be done all on FB's terms (or you can take the highway).

That isn't to say that Plarium couldn't arrange the migration of a game from FB to their own plarform. Just that they would have to have agreed the rights to move the whole game with FB - they can't just provide the app to you and let individual customer decide how they want to play.

Oct 25, 2020, 08:4210/25/20
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Snowgoon said:


Plarium browser games don't actually need flash .... they do have alternatives already.


Throne has been running quite happily on plarium.com for a very long time, but has never used flash

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/54_-news-and-announcements/128446_plarium-play-app--we-need-your-feedback-/?post=808351

This might seem too complicated, but Throne developers are not Plarium. From what I understand, Throne acquired server space from Plarium.The same way that Plarium once rented server 3 to Kabaam. and the Russian server to another company. 


I am not entirely sure about all the details. But they are run as separate entities under Plarium. Throne works on WebGL.  Which is the game engine most games are running on.

Plarium developers did try to port one of their games to WebGL. But after 1 day of testing, it was not even a month they gave up. What is very interesting is that most of the issues that prevented them to port the game then have already been fixed. 

One of the issues was the game taking too long to load, which was a problem for all WebGL games that were ported, That problem was fixed long time ago. 


So I have no idea why they are not porting the game. Also, they don't have to port the game completely off flash. There are port compatible HTML engines like Haxe which work fine without flash players. 


https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/23/adobe-flash-is-dead-heres-how-to-save-your-game-before-its-too-late/

Oct 25, 2020, 01:5510/25/20
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as far as i know all plarium games need flash snowgoon,roadster pitbull

dnt know about throne and this case mentioned

i'll ask around and will let u guys know
Oct 25, 2020, 01:4010/25/20
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Snowgoon said:


Plarium browser games don't actually need flash .... they do have alternatives already.


Throne has been running quite happily on plarium.com for a very long time, but has never used flash

https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/54_-news-and-announcements/128446_plarium-play-app--we-need-your-feedback-/?post=808351

Plarium BROWSER games huh ?? 

Those run on Flash , hence why it keeps asking for approval to be used .

They have alternatives yes , except for people that started their game ( whichever that may be ) through a browser .

I can start SF in Plarium Play , no doubt , emphasis on START ...there is no way i can continue my , already 7 yr-running game on Plarium Play .

For the simple fact that Plarium rather see you start again , invest money again than let you continue your game .

PLARIUM.COM account = PLARIUM PLAY

Not that hard to figure out .

Accounts through Facebook ( Gameroom )  ...yeah that still seems a bit of a problem  ( AND A LOT OF PEOPLE STARTED THEIR GAME THERE !!!) 


Oct 26, 2020, 06:2510/26/20
Oct 26, 2020, 06:27(edited)
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Oracle said:


Snowgoon said:

I wondered if Throne was using Mozilla WebGL, but it is disabled on my browser so this seems unlikely - https://prnt.sc/v6k1l1

Draft extensions are used to make WebGL work better, specifically 3d imaging. Websites using WebGL are able to work without them enabled. That is because WebGL is more HTML5. 

Yep, he'd still be able to use WebGL even with draft extensions disabled, it just might have some issues.  

I believe there was an attempt to convert one of Plarium's games to WebGL a few years ago and it was found to be too slow, but it's possible since then things have advanced enough that it's now viable.  
Oct 24, 2020, 23:0510/24/20
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History 101:

6 June, 2018, 3:01 PM UTC

AGENT PAVEL

TECHNICAL SUPPORT

Soon Flash won’t be supported by most of the modern browsers. This means that a lot of players won’t be able to enter the game unless we change the current game engine. We have analyzed all of the possible solutions before choosing WebGL as the most suitable one.

The process is quite complicated and most of the fixes are released within the global game update

The desktop app is working on Flash. You can play via the app since the WebGL platform is still under development. 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And after time, the game reverted back to entire flash, no further mention from Plarium until 2(?) months ago. But 'trust us'....

Oct 24, 2020, 22:3010/24/20
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Oracle said:


fURY said:


Dear players plarium is already working on alternatives to flash as a community manager has also formerly mentioned it in this same thread

The purpose of this post was to find out what are those plans.

The 2016 CM also stated, formerly, in this forum, that Plarium would port the game into WebGL. Then a couple of months later, we are told that their porting was unsuccessful. We were promised a solution. 

We will not be asking these questions if we did not love this game or have vested interests in it. Imagine waking up on 01/01/2021 to find out that the game is gone, your whole 7 years experience is gone, your friends, your enemies, all gone. I am more afraid of that. 

i can not argue over valid debates

what i can do is : take note of those valid point u,everyone makes in these debates and pass them to game team

the rest of what iv been trying,this whole time to say was, not to panic ! dnt let others panic

the issue has already been stated ,i read it,took notes

pls note that we all,on moderating team are players too ! we play the game,and have friends here too

if u are worried about an issue,so are we ! 

i hope for ur patience and understanding 

Oct 27, 2020, 00:5710/27/20
Oct 27, 2020, 01:01(edited)
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Alina said:

Hello, my Lords and Ladies!


I'd like to note that Throne: Kingdom at War is another Plarium game, but that's true that it doesn't require Flash. Another technology was used to develop this game. 


Getting back to Stormfall: Age of War, I'd love to share more details with you. But I can't do it now, not yet. The only thing I would like to tell you once more is that we don't plan to shut down the game and there will be a solution for every platform (both Plarium.com and Facebook). As soon as we're ready, we'll share a detailed instruction with you. 


Till that time, I strongly recommend not to spread panic and fake news. It will do no good. Thank you for your understanding! 




Alina, in fairness, as customers we are just asking if there is any point to us remaining customers. Not a big ask. And drop the "fake news" line please. No need for that.