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7 март 2018, 23:5707.03.18
30.05.14
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DoomieUK - Beacons to level 5 - Is it possible??

Hello All,


I read a lot of reports with regards to the beacons, its obvious the game developers will not listen to us.


So I am asking this question to mainly the BIG leagues and their Marshalls and members.


What can YOU do so that WE can have level 5 beacons?


My thought on this matter is YOU get together in TS and we have a NAP (Non Aggressive Pact) on Beacons.


Yes its a WAR game but WE need the level 5 beacons in this game. YOU make the change!!


Lets hope WE can make the change!!


Please post your thoughts on this subject



DoomieUK










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8 март 2018, 10:3808.03.18
04.10.13
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DoomieUK said:

Hello All,


I read a lot of reports with regards to the beacons, its obvious the game developers will not listen to us.


So I am asking this question to mainly the BIG leagues and their Marshalls and members.


What can YOU do so that WE can have level 5 beacons?


My thought on this matter is YOU get together in TS and we have a NAP (Non Aggressive Pact) on Beacons.


Yes its a WAR game but WE need the level 5 beacons in this game. YOU make the change!!


Lets hope WE can make the change!!


Please post your thoughts on this subject



DoomieUK










Nope, won't work.  It only takes one big coiner deciding they don't want too cooperate to ruin things.  Sure, some of the top leagues can hold a few beacons if they put like a billion defense on each one, as a single coiner will go through his troop taking out the first few of them so he won't be able to knock them all down.  But the only way we're going to see an active beacon map again is if Plarium makes a change to the system (such as implementing force limits for beacons). 
8 март 2018, 23:3108.03.18
8 март 2018, 23:34(edited)
30.05.14
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Hello All,


I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter and for me it really good to see you all in the forums.


Perhaps I could speak to Rizzo and ETsphere on this matter.


Perhaps Emps, Dominus and other leagues can make this happen.


The word TRUST is the key here....if a NAP would work


Like I say the mechanics of the GAME is not going to change so WE must change it.

I appreciate the feedback from you ALL


Happy Gaming


DoomieUK





9 март 2018, 06:5709.03.18
9 март 2018, 07:01(edited)
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The question should be rephrased to, what can we do to make sure that our fellow rich players do'nt enticed to buy game destroying armies. But that question will break forum rules. 

The problem with the game is the black market and the imbalance it causes compared to normal game play. 

The are three solutions 

1. Remove the black market

Or 

2. Reverse the black market back to its original form

Or

3. Let the game die

Force limits are not going to solve the problem. They will just make it easier for bullies to abuse small leagues without getting touched

9 март 2018, 15:5609.03.18
18.12.14
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In theory it would be nice to bring beacons back to the game BUT you cannot trust people to keep true to their promises - one little thing like a castle hit will cause it to collapse - NAP agreements will limit players to their game play and will always have people sitting on edge as to whether or not the opposing side will just drop the NAP and go full guns against you
10 март 2018, 09:1910.03.18
04.10.13
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Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:


The question should be rephrased to, what can we do to make sure that our fellow rich players do'nt enticed to buy game destroying armies. But that question will break forum rules. 

The problem with the game is the black market and the imbalance it causes compared to normal game play. 

The are three solutions 

1. Remove the black market

Or 

2. Reverse the black market back to its original form

Or

3. Let the game die

Force limits are not going to solve the problem. They will just make it easier for bullies to abuse small leagues without getting touched

How would force limits protect bullies from small leagues?  Force limit only affects you if you have enough troops to exceed the limit, that's kind of the point. 

Although I agree some changes to the black market would be good for the game as well (such as removing the ability to directly purchase or heal troops for sapphires). 


Remove all ability to buy troops and legendaries from the market direct. Make them ALL trainable, but include a sapphire cost in the train price in addition to resources. Have the black market sell bigger packs of resources, and increase the barns by a lot...


If someone buys millions of resources to make a lot of troops, I don't really give a rats ass, because his/her troops would snail out the same as everyone else does. Unless they spend a ton on boosters to speed it up. 



I'd rather they go the opposite way, make troop build times fast (like 10x the current rate) and have the limiting factor be resources.  This rewards gameplay activities like raiding for resources, hamlets, trading etc. 
17 март 2018, 03:3017.03.18
18.12.14
1835
Aegon Targaryen said:

All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   When your troops stop leaving you when you go run out of food, you can bulid....or buy....billions of offense.



While level 25 farms and level 20 league fortress food reductions can certainly increase troop count over the old level 20 farm and pre fort days, there will still be severe limits on armies compared to the zero limits in the current situation.



At the moment, with so few Level 5 beacons, and so many level 1 beacons everywhere, there is very little new DE to spread around, further limiting army sizes should food restrictions be restored.


If nothing else, it should be fun to watch, since beacon DE will be high priority again...especially if every single food relic in the game was completely wiped in the name of 'resetting'.
It would take a long time to balance the game this way - troops in catacombs don't leave - with the ability to relocate to your target and boost units there is virtually very little time that the units would be exposed - guaranteed all the people with huge armies have level 26 catacombs so their builds are safe 
17 март 2018, 15:2617.03.18
03.08.14
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thats why its taken devs months to think of a way to fix all of this.   there isnt a way to do it.  the game is broken. 
17 март 2018, 15:3017.03.18
03.08.14
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Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 


my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 


look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 





18 март 2018, 16:5218.03.18
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BiohazarD said:


Gadheras said:


BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:


The question should be rephrased to, what can we do to make sure that our fellow rich players do'nt enticed to buy game destroying armies. But that question will break forum rules. 

The problem with the game is the black market and the imbalance it causes compared to normal game play. 

The are three solutions 

1. Remove the black market

Or 

2. Reverse the black market back to its original form

Or

3. Let the game die

Force limits are not going to solve the problem. They will just make it easier for bullies to abuse small leagues without getting touched

How would force limits protect bullies from small leagues?  Force limit only affects you if you have enough troops to exceed the limit, that's kind of the point. 

Although I agree some changes to the black market would be good for the game as well (such as removing the ability to directly purchase or heal troops for sapphires). 


Remove all ability to buy troops and legendaries from the market direct. Make them ALL trainable, but include a sapphire cost in the train price in addition to resources. Have the black market sell bigger packs of resources, and increase the barns by a lot...


If someone buys millions of resources to make a lot of troops, I don't really give a rats ass, because his/her troops would snail out the same as everyone else does. Unless they spend a ton on boosters to speed it up. 



I'd rather they go the opposite way, make troop build times fast (like 10x the current rate) and have the limiting factor be resources.  This rewards gameplay activities like raiding for resources, hamlets, trading etc. 

Agreed, 


Rebuttal will be that everyone can build faster but I think the consensus is that nobody cares about that, since having troops in the first place is what the game is about. Not every does pvp as their main enjoyment but Battle Grounds as well. It is painfully obvious that none of the devs or staff play on the same servers or under the same terms the rest of do. 


In game activity should be profitable as well, rather than just falling on a Visa. It is what keeps the game healthy. Then again, that is what has been being said for years and years, even before I joined the forums. So it has now just become a dead horse. 
19 март 2018, 02:5619.03.18
29.09.16
195

Aegon Targaryen said:


All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   When your troops stop leaving you when you go run out of food, you can bulid....or buy....billions of offense.


What he said ^^


And I have said the same before but Alina shot me down on that one very fast.
20 март 2018, 03:3920.03.18
21.08.14
463

djmoody said:


Aegon Targaryen said:


All of these issues have a single root cause:   Removal of food restrictions.   

I can't be bothered to yet again have to explain why this is utter garbage - utter garbage of the most dangerous kind as the desired fix will leave an even bigger gap between coiners and non-coiners.

Just because YOU don't have negative food, doesn't mean other people who have been playing 3yrs+ and don't coin might have negative food. You will literally leave them with nothing to do in game with your suggestion.

The reason the game being out of balance to the point of death is because infinite troops can be purchased immediately by someone on their first day in the game. We told Plarium that for 3 years but only now the games are dead has it dawned on them we know what we are talking about. Short term easy buck, no long term at all.




You are incorrect.    Its not garbage.   I'm a coiner myself, though I've never been willing to throw hundreds per month at a game.   Billions of offense did not exist before food restrictions were lifted.  I certainly never saw 100k offense even among the dedicated league offensive players 3 years ago.  Now its common.  Of course, troop packs are more common now and sapphires are cheaper, so yes, there is that.  BTW, who said I don't have negative food?

I said its the root cause, not the only cause.  That door, once opened, led to increasingly greater coiner troop heaven, like a runaway train.  I also said that there can be no protection, nor can troops be bought, trained, nor revived without positive food production.  It will reduce the gap between coiners and non-coiners...at least it will after the excess troops are knocked off in a fortress hit or some other hit before they disappear.

21 март 2018, 11:0021.03.18
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IronApex Turok said:


Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 


my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 


look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 





There is always someone recording a summary of the meeting, which is then provided to everyone who attended - as well as those who did not, but still need the information that was being discussed. There is no need to have the game opened if the matter being discussed does not require a visual demonstration. I understand that you prefer to see what you want to see in anything presented, but hey, at least they are not playing Overwatch as you were worried in the past.


@Biohazard

The duster is indeed very important. It is an artefact of great power that puts the likes of the Spear of Destiny and Excalibur to shame.
21 март 2018, 11:2321.03.18
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Dimitri Molchanov said:

IronApex Turok said:


Alina posted a picutre of the dev team "hard at work" in the news and announcements section.....

This is the dev team trying to figure out how to fix the game. 

no notebooks, no one even has the game pulled up. half arent even paying attention. 


my favorite is the guy fidgeting with the feather duster, everyone else is just standing around with their hands in their pockets. 


look at everyones faces.  they have no clue how to fix the game. 





There is always someone recording a summary of the meeting, which is then provided to everyone who attended - as well as those who did not, but still need the information that was being discussed. There is no need to have the game opened if the matter being discussed does not require a visual demonstration. I understand that you prefer to see what you want to see in anything presented, but hey, at least they are not playing Overwatch as you were worried in the past.


@Biohazard

The duster is indeed very important. It is an artefact of great power that puts the likes of the Spear of Destiny and Excalibur to shame.
I think a toilet plunger would been more suitable, consider the state of the game. Cute to see a bronie is represented at the meeting as well :p
21 март 2018, 16:1321.03.18
03.08.14
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Dimitri Molchanov said:

TRolling


21 март 2018, 17:1321.03.18
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@Dimitri

Welcome back, not that you were away. Iron likes you. 

I prefer Alina and Paul. But Iron likes you,  so you are covered. I like your interaction with us. 


22 март 2018, 09:4422.03.18
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IronApex Turok said:

Dimitri Molchanov said:

TRolling


Not at all. As, I am sure, your original post was not meant to be.
22 март 2018, 09:4822.03.18
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roadstar Pitbull said:

Well that sure is a different meeting than i'm used to. Who is lead,, where is the direction?

They are all appearing to be doing their own thing, looking in various different directions.

No focus it what I see in this meeting. A feather duster, what looks like a console controller, and what about the ones looking on the ground, who dropped what???

It does help explain the current states of Plarium games...
A photo can be taken at any point during a meeting, before or after the matters of importance have been discussed. It would be impossible to determine the tone and direction of the meeting by a random photo. But people often see what they want to see 
22 март 2018, 09:4922.03.18
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Oracle said:

@Dimitri

Welcome back, not that you were away. Iron likes you. 

I prefer Alina and Paul. But Iron likes you,  so you are covered. I like your interaction with us. 


Thank you, Oracle. I am always lurking in the shadows, but don't worry, Alina will be back before you know it.
22 март 2018, 10:3822.03.18
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I do not see any of the things that you insist this image represents and, having attended some of these meetings, I know the Dev team takes them very seriously. But if one wants to find negatives in something it does not take too much effort to do so.
20 март 2018, 00:0320.03.18
231777
DoomieUK said:

Hello All,


I really appreciate your thoughts on this matter and for me it really good to see you all in the forums.


Perhaps I could speak to Rizzo and ETsphere on this matter.


Perhaps Emps, Dominus and other leagues can make this happen.


The word TRUST is the key here....if a NAP would work


Like I say the mechanics of the GAME is not going to change so WE must change it.

I appreciate the feedback from you ALL


Happy Gaming


DoomieUK





oh you are funny  Doomie... why did the big leagues drop all the beacons  ? so they could attack others beacons and no retaliation was possible.... do you think after a few months the leagues hit by the big leagues forgot  ? lost the offence  ? get a  " Big  League  NAP " it will be funny when you see what the small leagues wanted to do ... when all you wanted was  "points " ... and when you ran out of beacons the  Forts were next... go on try and have level 5 beacons. ... remember leagues always have to reap what the sow... nothing to do with me ... just an amused watcher  :) 
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