I see u still havent grasped the entirety of what i did. Not my fault. The saga was the smallest piece of the pie and thats all ur hung up on. Stop looking to troll just because u "like to comment". I bet u have thousands of worthless tweets and facebook posts so u can feel special.

 I yellowed a 98 and 51, let me repeat, yellowed a 98... and a 51.. then finished the 98, got a measly 295 dragons for all that. Then finished 3 more bgs waiting for the big payout and still got nothing. The message is for Plarium, not u.  Oh and warehouses and barns were maxed so i could only receive troops. Still got ripped off worse than i EVER have in my entire history of playing.. Oh and coincidentally its since their "Upgrades"............   I will be using the rest of all my stuff and then never spending a penny more. Good job Plarium, u succeeded in driving away a HIGH spender 

 I want an answer Plarium!

my tip regarding BG's:

your at the casino, and you have to remember the golden rule:

The House Always Wins.

hope this helps, and I wish you best of luck of geting your troops back

Sir Dan Saul Knight said:

PS to the OP - if you don't track resources in and out then there is no point in commenting on BG's.

This is in fact the kind of rant that closes Plarium's ears, because they are so used to people complaining when they don't understand what they are complaining about, that they don't listen when a knowledable player finally comes around with decent facts and info and points out that BG's are bugged.

to me, the only thing plarium ears need to hear, is that there is a portion of their player base who are tired of "resource sink" "gameplay".  looking at his numbers i am not surprised by his losses, it is his statement of usual gains that baffles me.  as well as your statement of of one time payoff. is that a statement of true gain?  the use of the term cheaters shows the viewpoint of plarium,  that using a skilled approach gained too much value.  that value was still a resource sink for me.  in my experience clearing not yellowlining 10 to 20 bgs within a 5 level grouping has resulted in no payout and it has taken dropping 12 levels below that grouping to get a payout.  i do not track resources, but there is no way i could even get a profit by clearing 20 similar bgs in order to get one payout.

bgs is simply not fun gameplay, it is a loss.

as for the new update, it is a multiplier at the expense of resource sinks.  it is not a growth path.  gathering resources is a growth path, and the best one provided is by illegal bots, not plarium.  and if anyone says hamlets, they will not be insulting my intelligence, it will be insulting theirs.

resource gathering is equal ground. a multiplier favors what already exists.  a mutiplier of .5 x 100k is a huge loss in value from the inital  value since it is relative to .5 x 100m.  all mutipliers work the same.  every single multiplier makes the weak weaker and the strong stronger regardless of gains by the weak.

a set growth path of 1m resources per day is equal gameplay.  yes you must get strong enough to gather, but that is doable with reasonable effort.

lol saga's don't count towards bank and you should use nothing "good" on them you could raise wraiths every day and kill them over the next year and it won't matter they don't "bank" resources

banking bg's still works but you need to reload your rewards before clearing another and try again if you didn't get a payout so its better to bank the higher level ones rather than the low level ones 

you took a payout too soon if you got a big reward last time you need to repay that in resources before getting another

Just to clarify -you yellowed say 5 bgs level 90, 91, 92, 93 and 94 - you cleared level 94 but got a lousy payout - reload the reward from the level 94 into bgs and try to clear the level 93 - and so on ....

you can still play them using the bank you do not have to clear each one but you do have to yellow more than you used to also i recommend NOT clearing them all after you get a payout - if you leave some yellowed then you will have some bg's yellowed that you can pull troops out of if you get into trouble doing bgs

Nemanja said:

Approximately six months ago Plarium resolved Bg's cheating issue. Yellowing Bg's isn't helpful anymore.

Lol.

1) Understanding the mechanics using your skill knowledge and experience and using them to your best advantage is not "cheating".

2) They didn't resolve diddly squat - you can still make massive one-off profits from BG's

@Jezebel regarding ur strategy for bgs. I do exactly the same method as u recommended. I yellowed a 98 and then a 51 both almost to completion. Figuring in any normal circumstance ive ever had that losing that many troops should be enough for a good payout. Afterall almost completing a 98 is pretty massive losses. So then finished the 98 and got 255 dragons, peanuts for what i lost. In any case like this u still havent cashed out the reward and just have to do a few more bgs of just about any level to get that reward. Afterall, i lost tons yellowing the 98 all the way down, and then lost more dragons/wyverns when i finished it. So i yellowed a 99 a little bit, then took out a 38 from full, still nothing. Running out of troops now i finished the 51 which was yellowed all the way down. Still nothing. Then took out a 33, stlll nothing. I said ok the reward has GOT to be in the bank, so i took out a 33, and then a 32. STILL nothing. Now i have no army left and nothing to show for doing all that. Ive literally NEVER had this happen before. The reward has been built up from yellowing a 98 and a 51 and then finishing the 98, and then doing the 38, 33, and 32. I couldnt afford to keep yellowing without cashing something out first and then going back for more. And yes i always keep some yellowed for when im ready to cash out. Ive always done bgs this same way and it has always worked with 100% success. Ive even taught marshals and all kinds of players how to do it this way and it always works the same for them as it does for me. I do the exact strategy as what u recommended, ive always had 100% success rate in cashing in. Except NOT this time. Hence my extreme frustration and complete dissatisfaction and i assume it has to do with the recent 1% Upgrade changes made

I feel sorry for you. I am afraid that you aren't the first or the last to experience these problems, and you won't be the last. 

our current understanding of BG is absolute. It no longer works. 

My advice to you, get a good BG sheet, track your BG, and hopefully, you will come to the same conclusion that everyone has came with. that is all you have been told about BG is totally false. When these happen you will either A continue to blame plarium or B come with a new way of doing BG. 

No matter track your BG.

Also use those BG calculators when doing BG, especially banking, refrain from yellowing BG, I find that it delays the reward. 

Your first step must be to go online and read what people believe of BG, and how you should do BG. it seem you are using an outdated, but legit method of doing BG. 

Dear Lords

Yellowing bgs still works but as some of you said it takes more time. It seems as i read from a mate when you dont finish the BG only the 70% (aprox...with this u never can be sure) goes to the bank and the 30% remaining (aprox) gets out of ur bank till u finish the BG.

so yellowing means you have still to barrell some bgs more to be sure u reach the amount required.

hope this can solve ur doubts

Regards

I, along with others have experienced the disappearing bank as TheBeast just posted about so I feel your pain.

I am not going to comment about the whole topic but I will make one suggestion, Legendary troops shouldn't be used in BG, that is a for sure loss. I do not have exact proof as plarium will not divulge ANY useful BG info but from what I have been told by more than a few is the GW dragon that cost you a few sapps and can't be built has the same resource value as a regular dragon so please do not give back to Plarium your legendary troops for little resource value.

Jezebel said:

I have no clue because I have not really bg'd for a very long time but it would seem to me that all you guys hitting the ranks every week are probably just recycling troops to see a massive payout here and there but really not making any gains because who knows how many dragons and necros are being tossed back in .....

No one is making any gains out of BG's if done normally as intented, just losses. There is no doubt about that (and that is before taking into account the bank bug which we as players now have absolute proof of - see the other BG thread).

I Like the way players threatening the Plarium   with word like "Do u know how much money ive spent on this game" or  "OK, thats the way it is??? Then I wont be spending any more money!!!" etc etc.
And not just this post, many others who lost or the game doesn't tilted in her/his way , they threatens plarium with the word "Money"
Go ahead plarium.......... dont give reward to hard work or smart strategy , only make people spend  more money  to achieve new level, upgrade troops and you will be  rewarded with this kind of "Black Mail"

True, unfortunately Plarium added bonuses like the hero items for doing bg so if you want to take advantage of those bonuses you either play bg or you buy them - either way you lose - the hero was a great update for lower level players who did not bg to the highest levels BEFORE the hero was introduced - adding levels to bg is not the answer either

Jezebel said:

if you want to be competitive you have to take advantage of all the bonuses you can get - There is no way around it or maybe I just play build a castle instead and forget I even wanted to play a war game 

Well many people have fun in these game, and not all players in these game have made it into the top rankings, or want to. Competition is another aspect of the game, but many others are available. If you like a particular kind of game play master it and stay at it. Most player become unhappy when they get shoveled into a whole different kind of game play, that doesn't suit their play style.

PvP is fun, so is PvE, but I consider them no fun compared to the communication aspect of the game. another player might consider PvE fun, while another prefer to be alone in a league and use his time in the game to build a very beautiful cattle. For as long as you concentrate on your fun you will never go wrong in MMORPG

Snowgoon said:

EmperorTrump said:

Hey Plarium, i dont know what u did recently to screw with the BGS but i just took out a lvl 98, 51, 38 and 33 BG and do u know what i got??????  About 350 dragons and 70 occult units!!!!!!!!! BULLLLLLLLSHHHIIIIII.......   I spend WEEKS training before i do bgs and i just threw away massive amounts of wyverns and dragons, paladins and knights ive spent WEEKS training and this is all i got?????  I know how the normal system works, its based off losses. So i melted down the 98, melted down the 51,melted down a lvl 23 Portal QUEST bg, then went and finished the 98. Then i got a CRAPPY reward of 295 dragons for finishing a 98..... Yes 295 dragons after all of that.... so i finished the 51 hoping to get the full payout.. Got 55 dragons.. PFFF, so i said thats still not good enough, let me take out a 38 and see.. Got 37 occult units..  STILL not good enough so i took out a 33 saying OK this time im actually gonna get the "real" payout... NOPE..... Another 33 occult units.... WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIIII!!!! Totally inexcusable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am BEYOND PISSED OFF.... Do u know how much money ive spent on this game and i just got thoroughly ROBBED!!!!!!!  OK, thats the way it is??? Then I wont be spending any more money!!! Have it your way..SO STUPID AND RIDICULOUS CHEATING AND ROBBING A MASSIVE SPENDING CUSTOMER WHO IS AN EXPERT AT BGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NO EXCUSE FOR THAT LOUSY PAYOUT!!!!!

  Go ahead and check my reports from 8:24 pm EST to 12:35 am EST and tell me do u think thats fair????

If you are hitting level 98 bg then you do not want payouts from level 51 etc
Yellowing lower level bg 'might' help towards your main payout, but finishing them is a mistake until after you get your main payout

http://stormfall.playtamin.com/infestations.html

Collecting 645 wyverna and 129 griffins from level 51 would deplete your resource bank which delays your main payout from the level 98

Sending 2.8 million to die at level 98 has always seemed like hard work to me :)

Plarium made some changes to how yellow barring affects the bank a few months ago, so you have to be careful with it now as you can end up with lots of res trapped. 

EmperorTrump said:

Hey Plarium, i dont know what u did recently to screw with the BGS but i just took out a lvl 98, 51, 38 and 33 BG and do u know what i got??????  About 350 dragons and 70 occult units!!!!!!!!! BULLLLLLLLSHHHIIIIII.......   I spend WEEKS training before i do bgs and i just threw away massive amounts of wyverns and dragons, paladins and knights ive spent WEEKS training and this is all i got?????  I know how the normal system works, its based off losses. So i melted down the 98, melted down the 51,melted down a lvl 23 Portal QUEST bg, then went and finished the 98. Then i got a CRAPPY reward of 295 dragons for finishing a 98..... Yes 295 dragons after all of that.... so i finished the 51 hoping to get the full payout.. Got 55 dragons.. PFFF, so i said thats still not good enough, let me take out a 38 and see.. Got 37 occult units..  STILL not good enough so i took out a 33 saying OK this time im actually gonna get the "real" payout... NOPE..... Another 33 occult units.... WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIIII!!!! Totally inexcusable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am BEYOND PISSED OFF.... Do u know how much money ive spent on this game and i just got thoroughly ROBBED!!!!!!!  OK, thats the way it is??? Then I wont be spending any more money!!! Have it your way..SO STUPID AND RIDICULOUS CHEATING AND ROBBING A MASSIVE SPENDING CUSTOMER WHO IS AN EXPERT AT BGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NO EXCUSE FOR THAT LOUSY PAYOUT!!!!!

  Go ahead and check my reports from 8:24 pm EST to 12:35 am EST and tell me do u think thats fair????

If you are hitting level 98 bg then you do not want payouts from level 51 etc
Yellowing lower level bg 'might' help towards your main payout, but finishing them is a mistake until after you get your main payout

http://stormfall.playtamin.com/infestations.html

Collecting 645 wyverna and 129 griffins from level 51 would deplete your resource bank which delays your main payout from the level 98

Sending 2.8 million to die at level 98 has always seemed like hard work to me :)

Jezebel said:

if you want to be competitive you have to take advantage of all the bonuses you can get - There is no way around it or maybe I just play build a castle instead and forget I even wanted to play a war game 

Well many people have fun in these game, and not all players in these game have made it into the top rankings, or want to. Competition is another aspect of the game, but many others are available. If you like a particular kind of game play master it and stay at it. Most player become unhappy when they get shoveled into a whole different kind of game play, that doesn't suit their play style.

PvP is fun, so is PvE, but I consider them no fun compared to the communication aspect of the game. another player might consider PvE fun, while another prefer to be alone in a league and use his time in the game to build a very beautiful cattle. For as long as you concentrate on your fun you will never go wrong in MMORPG

EmperorTrump said:

Hey Plarium, i dont know what u did recently to screw with the BGS but i just took out a lvl 98, 51, 38 and 33 BG and do u know what i got??????  About 350 dragons and 70 occult units!!!!!!!!! BULLLLLLLLSHHHIIIIII.......   I spend WEEKS training before i do bgs and i just threw away massive amounts of wyverns and dragons, paladins and knights ive spent WEEKS training and this is all i got?????  I know how the normal system works, its based off losses. So i melted down the 98, melted down the 51,melted down a lvl 23 Portal QUEST bg, then went and finished the 98. Then i got a CRAPPY reward of 295 dragons for finishing a 98..... Yes 295 dragons after all of that.... so i finished the 51 hoping to get the full payout.. Got 55 dragons.. PFFF, so i said thats still not good enough, let me take out a 38 and see.. Got 37 occult units..  STILL not good enough so i took out a 33 saying OK this time im actually gonna get the "real" payout... NOPE..... Another 33 occult units.... WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE SHIIII!!!! Totally inexcusable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am BEYOND PISSED OFF.... Do u know how much money ive spent on this game and i just got thoroughly ROBBED!!!!!!!  OK, thats the way it is??? Then I wont be spending any more money!!! Have it your way..SO STUPID AND RIDICULOUS CHEATING AND ROBBING A MASSIVE SPENDING CUSTOMER WHO IS AN EXPERT AT BGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  NO EXCUSE FOR THAT LOUSY PAYOUT!!!!!

  Go ahead and check my reports from 8:24 pm EST to 12:35 am EST and tell me do u think thats fair????

Jezebel said:

True, unfortunately Plarium added bonuses like the hero items for doing bg so if you want to take advantage of those bonuses you either play bg or you buy them - either way you lose - the hero was a great update for lower level players who did not bg to the highest levels BEFORE the hero was introduced - adding levels to bg is not the answer either

You're right. hero feature gives you good bonuses for doing BGs :) And it's an incentive for PvE players. However, one may choose to stay without bonuses, and develop in other directions :)