there is no secret this is a "pay to win" game. the f2p is in reality just "free to try". The rewards you get for your grind/effort does in no way measure up to coiners.

I'm quite sure that back in the day when this game launched, and bots was less of a issue, players didn't have this mentality of "oh I need bot castles to raid/farm, or lese the game is pointless". The whole deal around bot castles and gameplay is a player mentality, a bad one!

Bots/resource farms, is not hackers, it's just run by typical "gold sellers" who is enabled by the business model fo Plarium to do what they do. They offer cheap resources, scrolls, even armies that will have an inpact on the rankings. 

You can see a interesting interview here regarding gold sellers @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWvHcoqru7I

It a few years old, but its still very valid.

The whole hacking scare is for most parts that, a scare. In the past with games such as WOW; you could hire "farmers" to level up your accounts, giving out your account details, which by all means, just really retarded, of course bad things happen. The bots in Stormfall, is based around selling of resources and services. They want to make a revenue just like Plarium, they have no interest in get a bad reputation as it would hurt their sales. As long as Plarium doesn't want to deal seriously with the issue, and the gold sellers offer better deals than Plarium does.

Plarium is the enabler in all this and we the players stuck with the mess, and it does affect the state of gameplay.  When players start cry about minor changes to the bots and how it affect them negative because they can't raid and farm the bots as good as before? That just a fk'ed up state of mentality. This game was not designed for players to abuse bots to get ahead. 

@ Plarium - Remove all the obvious bots already, there is no secret where they are and who they are. Let the players play the game as it was supposed to. For once, put on your manpants and sack up!  

djmoody said:

The raiding event is completely ruined (one of the only pure things left in the game that cant simply be bought).

There is nothing in this game which cannot be bought - we can buy extra raids for the raiding event

Want to start a new week with 20 or more raids available on day one? Just use instant recalls after midnight reset

so, is this another part of the game that my assumptions are wrong then?  the bot lines i assumed were placed by plarium as a supplemental supply.  from what i see the bot lines don't sell their resources.  how would they do so?  they would have to sell to real players and be handicapped by the 50k a week limit.  who would these real players be?  coiners? would they bother to be inconvenienced by using gold farmers?  or non coiners?  don't think so.  sudo coiners?  if so then they might as well become real coiners.  other games i have played have had serious gold farmers.  i don't see how it would work in this game.

alts by real players:  how many top players have alts?  at least 1 per league family they belong to.  such as cool 1, cool2, cool 3 and cool 4.  along with their allies.  such as way cool 1,2,3 and 4.  plus their spies in non ally leagues.   if a player had 70 alts, each sending 50k per week to their main, that would equal a player like me raiding 10 bot line castles per day.

i am a pve non coiner who utilizes 4 different bot lines. if they are removed then i have no game at all in this game.  i will not spend more time on the game.  matter of fact i will continue to spend less time on the game.  i will certainly not spend more time on the game in order to fight more players for active or inactive castles either one.

if the bot lines are players then how could plarium not turn their castles into teleport spots?  and would they do the same to big players with at least 3 alts that they also coin on?

with coiners already having their mtx, non coiners being non coiners, the lack of even more bot lines and the level 2 castles being so prevalent,  i just don't see the gold farmers in this game like i have in other games.

Plarium put bots in game for everyone to raid for resources. If you ever played other web browser MMOs they have ways for players to collect resources without raiding others base. Just a way for plarium to sell sketches. This also could be short term for maybe a Raid Event.

cat in the hat said:

Plarium put bots in game for everyone to raid for resources. If you ever played other web browser MMOs they have ways for players to collect resources without raiding others base. Just a way for plarium to sell sketches. This also could be short term for maybe a Raid Event.

Plarium didn't put any Castles to the map. The only exception  - our test Castles with test Leagues (called Plarium). They are used by our QA to test new game features on servers. Some things can be checked on test servers, but some require confirmation on public servers.

Bot Castles were created by other players, not Plarium. 

I'm confused, so:

every castle on the map is supposed to be one that has been set up by a real person?

There are not supposed to be any castles just collecting resources and storing them?

What the hell are you calling a "bot"? is it the same as an "alt" (which is I think a 2nd account, normally used in MMO's to support a main account)

apparently inactive accounts are deleted.....

so, all the castles around me are all held by real, active, players? I want to play a game for several hours a day, without having to wait half an hour to hit a target, and half an hour for troops to get back, thus I am limited to hitting those close to me.

If there are no "robot" castles, that means as an active player (several hours a day) I will end up kicking the same few targets, every day,  that is a textbook definition of  BULLYING.

I've played Clash of Clans for 3 years because you never run into somebody twice, cos that engenders really bad feelings. 

I'm already (after 4wks) getting hacked off because I cant hold a hamlet without it being attacked within 5 minutes, in fact my troops cant reach the hamlet that fast....

Battling heavy coiners is bad enough, beginning to realise why the millions of accounts are no longer active.

I'm too busy and my e-mails are filled with spam

This is what an active bot looks like http://prntscr.com/cx6a1w

Reaper said:

Plarium didnt create the bots ?

That masses on bots in lines and fields made hackers ?

Cant imagine that really, not in this dimensions if you look in server 2 you see fast a difference. Nobody can put that much castles in a server in short time.

Even in other Plarium games (soldiers inc, etc) are bots. It would mean that all games were hacked.

I never saw that a bot made any offers in market i saw "inactive" players there whose put offers for scrolls in market but never a bot.

they aren't hackers, different field line here, they have made a script to generate these bots 

my thought is they are producing resources to be sold, reason many get messages to try and get you to buy resources from them...

I don't care who or what they are, they ruin the game not just stormfall but every plarium game,

Players get lazy and warp close to them, i can't say much even ive done it,

We aren't the problem here they are, and they really need to be watched and be caught 

or else we will be calling these games Bot wars

Reaper said:

Maybe you mean the castles of other players are make stuff in game i meant with bots the game created castles all raid for res they are without a player behind them they are in the landscape they carry names of random letters and numbers but this castles trade nothing they have reses but not to trade them.

I dont think the players are lazy if they raid bots cos they siege active players in PvPs with the troops they could train from it its true they dont waste their raids on player castles but they attack them if they can in PvP not for the reses only for the troops are there.

You see they play the game like it is intended but in another way. That is not a shame to raid bots to get res and attack players for events.

Esp for players are not in leagues where the main players use money on the game its a way to be more independent of the other members, a way to help the players are far from bots. In higher arts you cant make that masses on reses only in player castles you need 80-90 castles per week to get your res but not all castles are big enough to carry that much. Other castles are far away to raid them is suicide cos your enemies have to much time to defend and not all can nuke a castle 10 times to kill the stuff there.

For few players are the bots the only way to raid a lot of res to catch up with players are spending money on the game, and the only way to get the troops faster to play all the events effectly.

Those you speak of are called bots They WERE NOT created by the game, those are script generated castles, some are still active being kept up by a script 

We once had to scout and raid other players around us, or find players that abanded their castle, 

Im not saying it's a bad thing for these bots they are nice to gain quick resources, What im saying is if they cont and allow the script makers to cont building these on the servers, then it will become very unbalanced..

You fail to realize the damage these can do to the game or you just don't care and are one of those players that like free stuff and not fight for it ....

The inactives you have in masses on server 1 but in server 2 you dont have the population like there.

We have nearby 400 leagues the most are filled with 5-15 members, for one week ago we have now the feature to relocate castles that is a big step forward now. In your server its nearly normal to have this, there are over 1k leagues. You cant compare the servers that is like day and night.

We dont have that huge number of high lv castles of inactive players the most left before they hit lv 10.

In this server they are still important and they all are inactive there the lines and the fields all dont gain what they had before from them now a lot of players search for reses and dont find them not for the masses they start to need now and in a lv 2 castle you dont need to look if you are advantaged in lost arts. I found my field im raiding alone i needed nearly 40 mins to find it i didnt needed a script for it and i know how to find them fast thats what i told few of my members to they all found their own fields or parts on it they like to raid them cos they dont find all the reses outside the colored part of the map.

And you all dont be afraid that all are raiding bots have masses of units still the building times regulate that all dont get their units faster. Only paying with saphs or money is faster but not what i would prefer to do.

i may be lazy.

i may be a bad player.

but i have still paid my dues in time, this is a game, i should not feel that time was wasted.

there are many inactive castles, yes.  if you remove the bot lines then those castles will be sought after 10 fold.  this will make building troops through gameplay useless.

lazy, bad players such as myself will have to truly quit, as we should, this game is not ours.

when 8k of us quit, we need the option to become vacant lots.

there is no need for us to become inactive castles. in other words easy farms.  don't be lazy, don't be a bad player, attack only active castles.  this is a war game after all.  and emitter tournaments sound great.

bot lines should be removed and true pve content should be implemented.

But inactive castles if the players delete the accs disappeare 1 day too after Plarium remove them from the map, it means the number of castles all take for fiefs or raids shrink.

then you can hit other players to but how you want replace if you fail to raid them ?

Do you want go in the blackmarket and purchase them or revive them for saphs ?

If you can ok but not all can this here if you want equility in game take out the blackmarket from game and the damned package offers then you can see how fast it change to make it easy for all to hit bigger castles

So you rather keep these bot lines? 

because they make your game play easier? 

How Interesting!!!!

johanrayne said:

Blasphemy said:

The ranking catorgory for raids and sieges are all messed up now, these aren't even accurate now because the bot lines messing it up *sighs* 

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there is not one ranking that is not messed up,  i have stated repeatedly that i do not understand taking pride in rankings that were bought.  and all ranking is bought, even thieves vs other troops in raiding.  do thieves skew the raid rankings?

i still take more pride in my resource raid numbers than i would with 4 million pvp points that were simply bought.

you stated that you have raided bots,  so at some point your limited resources of time and effort influenced you to do the easy, lazy, poor player thing and raid bot lines.  this is a game, people need to put more effort into their real life than into a game.

i am not sure that you answered my question.  so i ask again, do you want all inactive players to become vacant lots and there only be active castles to resource raid from?

yes?

no?

Thieves alone no they are put here by the game, BY the developers

And for my doing raiding the bots is because they are here they are among many that are here,

If they wasn't here id be hitting inactive castles or spying castles to find one that is heavy in resources 

like i used to do the game was new, when i joined the game we never had these bot lines we did it old school and many of us

grew and succeeded,, if we did this there is no reason why you can't..

Reaper said:

i love to play the game but i cant play with money and i dont want do this i learnt a lot from players are playing the game since years bots are a part on it too but not spending money i liked this idea...

Now i play the same way like they did i raid bot for res to make arts and troops, play BGs if i have enough to exchange weaker units for better ones and attack players for PvP to get rewards from it. I play rankings and i lead my league, support my members etc. And it works good if i compare it with other leagues i see in the server where i play.

Im nearly every day here and yes i like the game and i like raids.

I think i never had played the whole time if i had meet my "teachers" and if they had tell me about bots.

how would you be playing if plarium done their job and never allowed these bot lines? 

You would have learned to scout inactive castles made by real players that quit???

Blasphemy said:

DO YOU WANT ALL INACTIVE PLAYERS TO BE TURNED INTO VACANT LOTS?

YES?

NO?

No i wouldn't i would want them to stay as they are inactive castles

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and the reason for this is that it is easier and more efficient to raid them than to raid active castles.  even if bot castles were gone and the competition for inactive castles would increase 10 fold.  you would still rather they remain for easier raids than on active castles.  it is the same mindset.

when i leave this game, i want to be a vacant lot, not an easy farm.