if a pvp event is on then you will get credited on what you kill, doesn't mater offense or defense... 

defending or raiding 

johanrayne said:

This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

im pretty sure she is defining the offense that was used to kill you defense in a battle, say someone sent 1k dragons at you,

it is calculated by what you lost on the battle and not what they lost, as the person whom hit you, their calculation would be on what offense they destroyed killing your defense.....

If you can direct me to the post she had mentioned this...

I can better understand .

But i do know you do get pvp points defending your self, that is the whole point in this game is the combat purpose 

take that away and then what purppose do any of us have 

johanrayne said:

why are we penalized for having overwhelming defence is the topic

ive seen it now, thank you,

 Im sided struck not understanding her at the moment, and there is a pretty big discussion over it already

now im confused why the same topic was put here that will only take on what is already talking about in another thread, 

now we will be talking about the same thing in two different threads about the same topic 

( *Side note* Aloyna  is a community manager of plarium she is not a MOD, Mods are volunteer players ) 

my thread has to do with more than 1 subject.  initially in your post you stated that pvp points would be given based on enemy troops you destroy regardless of whether it was offense or defense.

in your second post you stated to the effect that defense gets their pvp points based on defensive losses. these 2 posts on the same day in the same thread.

this is not just a topic, it is a game mechanic, one in which you stated that if the mechanic does not function in a reasonable way, what purpose do we have in the game.

is this not the jist of what we have communicated?

johanrayne said:

i just read a post from a forum mod that you DO NOT GET PVP POINTS FOR DEFENDING YOURSELF BY KILLING OTHER PLAYERS TROOPS, YOU ONLY GET POINTS FOR LOSING YOUR OWN TROOPS!

This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.

So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 

However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk.

Sifr said:

johanrayne said:

This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

"This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.

So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 

However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."

so are you saying that community manager alyona was incorrect when they stated that when defending, you only get points for your lost troops and not troops of the attacker that you have killed?

more points or less points is irrelevant to the topic. the question is how can you not gain points on defense if you kill any significant number of attacking troops? "significant" simply being enough to register pvp points such as 2 pikes or whatever it takes.

johanrayne said:

Sifr said:

johanrayne said:

This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

"This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.

So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 

However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."

so are you saying that community manager alyona was incorrect when they stated that when defending, you only get points for your lost troops and not troops of the attacker that you have killed?

more points or less points is irrelevant to the topic. the question is how can you not gain points on defense if you kill any significant number of attacking troops? "significant" simply being enough to register pvp points such as 2 pikes or whatever it takes.

Yes, she was wrong.  And for why we don't get points for killing ofen while we have overwhelming defend is I don't know. "However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."

That's a question for developer to anwer, I'm just a player who knows few things.

I put comparison on griffins and demons as an example as to why when defending some get more points, it's because of the units they kill. Demons will kill more infantries easily than griffins. So in my mind it's not very OOT.

DJmoody yesterday i had a league do nine attacks against my castle, yet they walked away with a ton of points and i hardly got any. They lost about 85-90% i lost 35%. But my defense is larger than my offense is. And to be frank it felt one sided on the points.

Me 390 pvp points

Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

Nemanja said:

Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

I think it's this one http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/why-are-we-penalized-for-having-overwhelming-defensive-troops-/1/#133162/

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed. Moreover, our game is not about local fights, it's about epic battles. the more the battle, the more points you gain 

Edit: Hmm, direct link to post fails. Well, it's on the first page anyway.

Nemanja said:

Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

i see that you deleted # 6 on my first post, therefore are you stating that:

1. browsers are not fazing out flash drive.

2. that you do not need flash drive to play this game.

3. that the fazing out of flash drive will have no negative effect on this game.

4. that plarium has any issues that will arise under control.

thank you for your confirmation on the topic

johanrayne said:

why are we penalized for having overwhelming defence is the topic

ive seen it now, thank you,

 Im sided struck not understanding her at the moment, and there is a pretty big discussion over it already

now im confused why the same topic was put here that will only take on what is already talking about in another thread, 

now we will be talking about the same thing in two different threads about the same topic 

( *Side note* Aloyna  is a community manager of plarium she is not a MOD, Mods are volunteer players ) 

blasphemy found the post by alyona

i brought it back to the top of the page by quoting the falsified post. if you check the last post on the last page you will see it.

it should at this time be the first topic in line.

johanrayne said:

thank you alyona for responding, here are 2 hypothesis that i came up with based on what i have read in the forums. can you state which is most accurate? this is taken from my previous post speaking with djmoody.

"now in the actual factual manifestation of what happened the defender got 21 points without killing any troops.  are you stating that the points were redistributed from the offense's points. as part of the shared points you talked about. that on one end of the rainbow defense shares offense points for getting wiped out.  and that on the other end of the rainbow a defense gets no points for wiping out an attacker.  and that the mystical esoteric formula evens out at the 1/1 kdr point?

if not, then the points would have to come from the defense's losses.  i know most people don't believe that to be the case.

but a hypothetical based on assumption from the various things i have read and experienced, this is just a hypothetical for hypothetical's sake: could the mystical magical formula be that defense gets points for losing troops and offense gets points for destroying troops.  then as a second calculation the troops destroyed by the defense have a value and the troops lost by the attacker have a value. {yes they are the same troops, however, possibly separate values added together and then split between the 2 sides.

these are just ideas based on assumption."

and will the falsification accusation be expunged from my record?

thank you alyona for responding, here are 2 hypothesis that i came up with based on what i have read in the forums. can you state which is most accurate? this is taken from my previous post speaking with djmoody.

"now in the actual factual manifestation of what happened the defender got 21 points without killing any troops.  are you stating that the points were redistributed from the offense's points. as part of the shared points you talked about. that on one end of the rainbow defense shares offense points for getting wiped out.  and that on the other end of the rainbow a defense gets no points for wiping out an attacker.  and that the mystical esoteric formula evens out at the 1/1 kdr point?

if not, then the points would have to come from the defense's losses.  i know most people don't believe that to be the case.

but a hypothetical based on assumption from the various things i have read and experienced, this is just a hypothetical for hypothetical's sake: could the mystical magical formula be that defense gets points for losing troops and offense gets points for destroying troops.  then as a second calculation the troops destroyed by the defense have a value and the troops lost by the attacker have a value. {yes they are the same troops, however, possibly separate values added together and then split between the 2 sides.

these are just ideas based on assumption."

and will the falsification accusation be expunged from my record?

I am glad I pointed out how wrong the info was, even though the groundswell of opinion on the threads was telling me I must be wrong because "Plarium said so".

IMO that's a good thing for alyona admitting her mistake. And unless I misunderstood something alyona is basically saying djmoody is correct.

Sifr said:

IMO that's a good thing for alyona admitting her mistake. And unless I misunderstood something alyona is basically saying djmoody is correct.

Yes, he is correct