Hello, can someone please explain to me what force i should have sent to that BG for zero-loss tactic to work.

Level 16  BG i've sent 34871.3, off force, to be exact.

http://imgur.com/a/b4PJ2

I thought that multiplying by 3 expected force of level 16 BG, 8790, would allow me to clear it safely. Sadly that wasnt the case.

Ciao, qualcuno può spiegare a me che cosa forza avrei dovuto inviato a quella BG per il valore zero la perdita di tattica al lavoro.

Livello 16 BG ho mandato 34871,3, fuori la forza, per essere esatti.

http://imgur.com/a/b4PJ2

Ho pensato che moltiplicando per 3 la forza prevista di livello 16 BG, 8790, mi avrebbe permesso di cancellare in modo sicuro. Purtroppo che era il caso.

brunsonthomas said:

RightThingToDo said:

Hello, can someone please explain to me what force i should have sent to that BG for zero-loss tactic to work.

Level 16  BG i've sent 34871.3, off force, to be exact.

http://imgur.com/a/b4PJ2

I thought that multiplying by 3 expected force of level 16 BG, 8790, would allow me to clear it safely. Sadly that wasnt the case.

To start with you those were 109 demons. The second thing I noticed is you had several Legendaries without enough support troops. The lowest I have successfully attacked a level 16 is 82K offense. I believe you have an outdated calculator, since demons were not on the pictures of units you were attacking.

I am using english version of Stromfall and those 109 creatures,  are called marennons just as in the calculator i am using http://www.stormfallbgscalculator.com/defensebgs.html

It may be outdated, though. It definetely wasnt updated after the last changes in BGs mechanics.

Zero-loss tactic i am refering to consists of sending one of each type of units you have (i sent 77). If their total force is greater than 3 times the force of BG you are attacing, in theory you, you wont lose a single unit (I lost all but 1 pikeman). That is way my Legendaries were without proper support.

Unfortunately all my knowledge comes from this forum, and I might have not understood how to properly use this method (pretty obvious is you saw the screenshot :)). That's why i am asking if someone could clarify how to use it correctly.

@ Jumy I might end up doing that, sending pikes or whatever as  sacrificial lambs, but that wont be the lossless method I was hoping to find.

Thank you guys for responding i know many people here are reluctant to share their knowledge.

Using the same 77 units i was able to clear other off level 16 bgs, with more evenly distributed enemies. I guess i need to spy first and find out what is the max number of maronnen/orks/... my troops can handle by calculating what actual force inf/cav/... has, as Jumy suggested.

@ Tony Hobson or whoever can answer. Why there is 16k def according to Tony. I know playtamin calculator shows that value but if you change for example pikes to 1000 it only displays 11k def.

http://stormfall.playtamin.com/?attackmode=5&attackmode2=1&attackmode3=1&a1=1&a2=1&a3=1&a4=1&a37=1&a38=1&a39=1&a40=1&a45=1&a46=1&a9025=1&a9024=1&a33=1&a5=1&a6=1&a7=1&a8=1&a47=1&a9026=1&a9027=1&a9018=1&a9019=1&a9=1&a10=1&a11=1&a12=1&a9003=1&a9020=1&a9021=1&a13=1&a14=1&a15=1&a16=1&a48=1&a9032=1&a9022=1&a9023=1&a94=1&a97=1&a95=1&a9005=1&a96=1&a92=1&d53=2&d55=11&d56=109

Which value is the correct one? I dont like using it as i doesnt allow to select darkened and imperial units, which i use, and spits out unreliable informations (or i just cannot comprehend them).

Once again thank you for your help.

Lord JINIX90,

as a player as you are I would advice you to yellow as much Bg's as you can.

Although that tactics was better before even now you can score more troops than you've loosed. At least it works with me.

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just find a good strategy i do agree BG's are not easy but if you master them they are worth it

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just find a good strategy i do agree BG's are not easy but if you master them they are worth it

Most welcome strategy change or pure luck, but today is a good bg day for me, and it ain´t the big payouts.

As far as I'm aware plarium does not disclose those rules, it's up to the players to figure them out.  There are multiple other threads explaining them, you just have to look around. 

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

BiohazarD said:

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

Hello, this question for plarium, you can tell my rules how you calculate payout

As far as I'm aware plarium does not disclose those rules, it's up to the players to figure them out.  There are multiple other threads explaining them, you just have to look around. 

Alright, then maybe you can tell my when I can expected full revard, cos now I going up lvl but revard always less then I need kill second lvl

I probably could, but I'd need to see a chart of what bgs you've hit in the past and all the troops you've lost/won from them. 

UC leagues can teach you how to do bgs properly (some other leagues probably can too, but idk), or you can look around on the forums for other guides. 

Payout from 90 lvl: dragon 566, grifin 1701 (resources:18.628.872), later I kill: 800 wyvern and 1618 grifin (resources:20.573.705).  

Payout from 91 lvl: demon 2682, warlok 892 (resources:17.172.716) 

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

Somebodi can give me a bit informations about full BG revard?

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

Hmm...and what if you look at BGs in a long run? I mean not just 1-2 BGs, but 10, 30, 50. Are the results the same?

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

Hmm...and what if you look at BGs in a long run? I mean not just 1-2 BGs, but 10, 30, 50. Are the results the same?

BiohazarD said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

Hmm...and what if you look at BGs in a long run? I mean not just 1-2 BGs, but 10, 30, 50. Are the results the same?

Yeah pretty much.  The average return rate is about 90%. 

I no need formula how need kill BG, I just want know how or when I can expected normal revard

before upgrade always I get exactly how I spend (always I kill 10%  more then I get revard before). After upgrade every higer lvl I get 1-3 mln less then I spend

BiohazarD said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

gediminas.skunsmonas said:

So I get 3.4mln resources less then I spend

Hmm...and what if you look at BGs in a long run? I mean not just 1-2 BGs, but 10, 30, 50. Are the results the same?

Yeah pretty much.  The average return rate is about 90%. 

I no need formula how need kill BG, I just want know how or when I can expected normal revard

fairly new at this.

I have no idea what to send to a battleground - I just send all my offence to a red and all my defense to a green. seems to work at lower level bgs.

I just stop fighting when I get losses I can't replenish fast enough. .. and wait til I have enough units and fight the bg level again.

Is this wrong? crazy? silly? whats the right way?