About the Persian positions and the answers from Plarium Games
Let's have for ones a really discussion about the PP's based on facts, instead of airproofed tittle's and emotional based messages. Let's have the facts straight for ones about it. Prooved also with the answers from gamesupport about it. One of their arguments in their answers is that they encourage the use of the forum about it to discuss the PP's.
I'm not gonna go totally in detail about it with also the explanations from the moderators and the community manager about all the remarks players had about the PP's in the past, even I can do it, but it would take some time and a lot of text to refer all the topics started by players and Plarium Games and all the answers, specially given by the moderators and the community manager from Plarium Games in the topics started from the players.
I think for all players; the mainquestion is: " do you gain army from the persians positions or do you loose army from the persian positions ?"
I self I'm in the game also hegemon of a coalition and I told my members always that you gain army from the persian positions. And I teached them how they could do them in the best way to indeed gain army from it.
Of course, I self doesn't have controll of what Plarium Games does by the gamemechanics, so that's a part I couldn't explain to my members.
Do I self do the persian positions ? Yes, and I was really fun of them when I started the game myself.
Till Plarium Games changed it. I had to addept it, like all the rest of the players and with the first changes Plarium Games did, I could still convince the members to doing them. The first change I'm aware of and that was also on the forum about it was indeed an advantage for the players, specially the lower lvl ones. Instead of doing them without any reward and then one big reward, they could do them constantly with the partial pay outs the new changes brought.
Not that long time ago, plarium games did again a change about the PP's. The reason for plarium games was that some ( a few) had seen the system and where able to take advantage of it. No one knows what advantage at all that would be what other players couldn't have but hey, news is news and if it isn't breaking news, well at least you are on the page :-)
With all the changes plarium games did at the PP's , I self discovered also some difficulties about it. So a few days ago, I've contacted again gamesupport about it. Ticketnumber ; [#XPG-480-46961]: persians positions
And I had an answer back from gamesupport about it, it was this;
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Alyona
My question was actually at them; hey there is something wrong with the pay-outs you know . And if you don't know, well have a look to it and explain me it. For plarium games nothing is wrong about the PP's . It's even more, they exclude the possibility of any irregularities and break - downs in their functioning.
That's already the first remark I have over here. Why by every maintenance you have to fix some bugs, when you tell here that there are no any possible bugs or errros at the PP's ?
Second remark I have also; is that I asked also to give me the details on what troops I used and what troops I gained back at the PP's. Something even the communitiy manager of plarium games described as a good advice given by another player. I've also asked that question in my gameticket but didn't had my answer from plarium games about it.
Third remark I have is about " Having considered your recent payouts, you could probably come to a conclusion that the Reward System was out of sync with your investments. " How could I ever know that the Reward System was out of sync with my investments ? its always told on the forum by the moderators that there is the banksystem. Ones the bank payed back, you have a new pay-out. Now they tell there is some of synchronisation also about it :s .... I then ask myself ; "what more you gonna invent plarium games ? "
The last time you had indeed many complains from players on the forum about the PP's and that they loose a lot of army at it, without any pay-out for it. I had these problems also.
So seen the answer from plarium games about my first gameticket about it, I did another test today. What did I do ?
I had a pay - out at lvl 122 defence side and a pay-out at lvl 127 offence side. The last one I only did, because I didn't had an acceptable pay out at the previous lvl's seen my losses I had on them. But the last one was also the most pay-out value.
So what I did ? And what I also talked about it in my own coalition. I've asked myself; " is that pay-out for a PVE (person versius enviroment) really enough to continue in the game ? "
The conclusion is; it isn't . So you can't use your pay-outs anymore as sufficient troopamount to finish the new persian positions you have. What does that really means ? I had a pay out at lvl 122 defence side and a pay-out at lvl 127 offence side. I've used all these troops (and only these troops at first) to finish all the new PP's I had . I've ended up at lvl 75 defence side and lvl 92 offence side. When you finish PP's , you also gain again some troops back. After I've used my previous 2 pay-outs, I've used also these. The result of it was that I've ended up at lvl 113, rested at 2 bars, so not enough troops to finish them , and I had to go up at lvl 128 at offence side, but was not able to finish it. So from the 60 daily persian positions I have, I still have 9 not able to finish them, because of the lack of troops, even I used all the troops I gained from the PP's to start with.
That gives us a few conclusions;
1) what you gain, seen the last updates and changes , is not enough to continue at the PP's at all.
2) so you have 2 options left; A) build the troops you lack to finish them or B) revive the units and pay drachma's for it.
Point A can of course be mentioned now by plarium games and the moderators as the solution you have to use for it. Untill they have to explain how long the building time to finish these lvl's.
Point B is what of course plarium games wish you use for it. But can they also explain why ? After all, it's called a 'free game', so you must be able to play it for free also. Seen the results it isn't possible at all. And that for a PVE .... That is something else then a PVP .
So today I wrote again another ticket to Plarium Games. To have an explanation why for a PVE, you don't gain enough back from it to be able to continue ? Because it's PVE. Write on the forum and in mails that you can't explain the gamemechanics about it, doesn't give you the right to "steel " troops from the players, no matter in what circumstances.
Players doesn't gain enough troops at the PVE (persian positions) to simply continue the game, that is the conclusion based on facts.
You can argue now, based on my text of course, that players has to build the missing troops for it. My argumentation for the moment is; they did already. In fact even more, they've also used their troops they gained by daily coaliton quests, + they also used their troops they gained as reward for daily loging in, + they also used their troops they gained in the past at the PVE (PP''s ) and the PVP's. What have they have to do more ? They can't, they already used all the options they have as "free players", so you force them actually to buy (also revive troops ) for it. Is that your so called "free game " ?
I didn't even talked about "gaining " at the PP's, it's only about able to continue in your called " free game".
And I'm of course curious what Plarium Games has to give me as answer on my second gameticket about it.
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And that's the next gameticket question about it , so let's see what they have to answer now ?
gameticketnumber; #TYL-749-40789
It wouldn't surprise me if they would come up with another instantly invented new rule about it
I don't play on public servers.
