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Aug 23, 2021, 12:4508/23/21
12/17/14
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Weor Unit Problem Worse than Expected

Screenshot from this weekend's takedown of the Hacaeame league (can't do their special characters in their name but I am sure all on server 1 know what I mean - but the one with the purple flag)


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This hammer comes out around 5bn. Shows people are well on their way to maxing out towards the 7/8bn level that is ultimately possible.

As we speak the "infrequent", purchase 6,000 Weor units direct from the Black market event is on again. It's now obvious it's on a monthly cycle.

There are Weor units in the special offers (the big box offers as I call them cause they can pop up in a very big box). There are now Weor units in the normal offers that just come up every day.

Can we now discuss the danger of allowing the game to get into a position where people (largely people who spend tens of thousands) can one hit even well defended beacons? This is no longer a theoretical debate.

- Do you think we'll go back to 2017/18 where there are no beacons.? 

- What would absense of a beacon game do to Stormfall? 

- How important is the beacon game in providing "end game" for long term players? 

- How many smaller or newer leagues will be smashed out the game as happened before? Can the game stay active if we keep losing large numbers of up and coming players?

- How do you balance any new content in a game where the disparity between player sizes is so huge? 

- Did force limits save the game in 2018? Is it sensible to allowed them to be eroded by a factor of 8? What are the implications

Cat is almost out of the bag now. Will be too late to discuss this later. Hoping and praying for a serious discussion, with meaingful engagement from Plarium.

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Aug 23, 2021, 14:1408/23/21
10/31/14
1897

That attack can't work on 5 Billion hit. It has to be 10 billion overal for him to lose close to nothing. Either that or the defende ractivated a 50% unit doubler. 

I think renzo, like many player are spending this kinda money in hope that Plarium  will import the game to html5. Otherwise its like burning your money on a beach to get warm. 

Aug 23, 2021, 14:2408/23/21
Aug 23, 2021, 14:26(edited)
12/17/14
8

If you doubt the 5bn calculation I can link you to the spreadsheet calculation. It's correct. Number of troops x base value of troops x bonuses. Not really difficult (and sheet has been tested).

That isn;t the whole defence Oralce. It's just one account that was in the beacon. No way to know total defence. As the defending league is thought to be one person running many accounts I suspect the bonuses on the def weren't that good, although again, no way of knowing for sure.


Aug 23, 2021, 14:5408/23/21
02/22/16
1846
Oracle

That attack can't work on 5 Billion hit. It has to be 10 billion overal for him to lose close to nothing. Either that or the defende ractivated a 50% unit doubler. 

I think renzo, like many player are spending this kinda money in hope that Plarium  will import the game to html5. Otherwise its like burning your money on a beach to get warm. 

I think unless you have those words from Renzo himself. (Which I very much doubt) You are making a very wild guess. 

A shot in the dark that's off the mark. 

As far as the danger that legendslady  mentions I don't see it. To me the danger would be in limiting Players and not improving the units in an ever evolving game.  At the whim of those that seem to prefer to "Turn back the Clock" because they have not been able to keep up. And Hobble those that  put  money into Plarium or have put a massive amount time into their games to get ahead thus keeping the lights on and the game going.

While the game  is Free to Play it's also always been Free to Pay  

That's  my take  I know it may not be everyones but I know many that feel the same way.

Aug 23, 2021, 16:1008/23/21
02/22/16
1846

Another thing that could be a major factor your not accounting for is the amount of lost arts that may or may not of been done.

If a League makes Weak troops and doesn't do all lost arts they will not hold up well against a player that is very savy and know the value of having strong Troops that have all lost arts completed.

I will make a friendly wager of a ham that Renzo's Troops have been upgraded  much more than the ones he attacked.

Aug 23, 2021, 20:5908/23/21
05/22/15
4

Seems to me that continuous evolution and change is essential in keeping the game alive and full of eager players.  Those players will welcome changes and new game mechanics.  What drives the players away is boredom and being treated badly by their peers in the game.  This is a game!  People play it to have fun and challenges.  They need respect and a sense of belonging and participating.  Otherwise they leave to play something else and I'm sure Plarium does not want to foster a stagnant, boring game.

Aug 23, 2021, 23:0508/23/21
12/22/14
113

Evolution and change is good - but being able to endlessly buy troops - let's be honest, is not a good thing. The most notable thing to me is that the only legacy troops used in the screenshot - green drags - are now considered less valuable than weor occult troops. I guess in another couple of months they'll be replaced by 22k more purchased occult weor troops.

But each to their own. If anyone wants to spend that much money, cool beans. Is it good for the over-all life of the game? Of course it's not.  

I guess the next change will be to update the Paragon levels, which will further widen the distance between players. I suppose we should be mildly grateful that SH troops require too much food to be practical in beacon hits. For now, at least. 

One last thing, I had a look at the top 100 def players from last week on S1 and only 5 from the defending league showed up, so it probably wasn't all that well defended in the first place:-)

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Aug 28, 2021, 05:2208/28/21
10/04/13
3817
Wesley Pringle

I think unless you have those words from Renzo himself. (Which I very much doubt) You are making a very wild guess. 

A shot in the dark that's off the mark. 

As far as the danger that legendslady  mentions I don't see it. To me the danger would be in limiting Players and not improving the units in an ever evolving game.  At the whim of those that seem to prefer to "Turn back the Clock" because they have not been able to keep up. And Hobble those that  put  money into Plarium or have put a massive amount time into their games to get ahead thus keeping the lights on and the game going.

While the game  is Free to Play it's also always been Free to Pay  

That's  my take  I know it may not be everyones but I know many that feel the same way.

It's pretty easy to figure out how big a hammer is, as there are only so many bonuses to unit offense power available in the game and most of the big players already have them all maxed.  So you just look up how much power each type of unit in the screenshot is worth and multiply it by the number of that unit.  I did this and the 5 bil number checks out.  

7/8bil hammers aren't a big deal though, just do what my league does and defend all your beacons at 20bil+  The game is changing, gotta keep up.