Milt Sorry to hear that your Feeling Overwhelmed with all the Changes .

Our game is constantly upgrading in an effort to increase Player satisfaction and enjoyment. 

Being you have been a veteran player  you will be aware of the Many complaints of alt castles  Being used to the point of steady complaint of other Non coining players could not compete. 

I think in an effort to balance this and give The Very active Players a chance to earn what they can not buy in a multi series of tournaments.

With so many activities it will make it a little harder for people to maintain as many alt accounts as effectively .  

May I suggest maybe you concentrate on What to you is the most enjoyable part Of the Game ( or what you consider the most relevant to your gaming style ) 

And Be a sort of specialist in certain events That contribute to Brawl  for your League.

And as Far as the new enticements for those That spend money in the Game  That's just part of the game that keeps the lights on at Plarium. While the game  is Free to Play .  It Has always had the to option enhance growth with coin. 

 It's just a matter of so many added Events and Units and enhancements  the option to purchase goes along with the need to increase the Package Options that are made available. 

As a rule I don't try and compete against the Power Players.

 I just can't hope have that much money. But I find there are Plenty of money players out there that don't like Bullies  so I'm content to make friends with them.    

It saves me from the need to stress about what I can't afford. 

Being in an active league of size will also increase the rewards you can be entitled also in Brawls and other league tournaments 

 As for the Draw it's a Matter of chance and with the more chances purchased the odds just tend to lean with the higher chances applied. 

 Lastly I will also note there are far more Give outs in the game than there ever have been.  

I'm not sure if this helps at all.

 But I do hope you will stick around.

Milt said:

I currently play 1 castle on all 3 servers over 6 years on server 1 NEVER missed a sign in -game is getting harder and harder to play with all the new things being added and mostly just to make money- i am in my later 70s -retired -fixed income-and as much as I hate to say it am considering giving up the game only reason still here is friends i have made in discord chat. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for me to try and grow and compete with the COINERS so WHY would i want to stay here when there is no way for me to be able to grow I CAN NOT SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE GAME and it seems like Plarium doesn't care about the smaller players or has any interest in trying to find a way to keep the players who would like to keep playing or find a way to help them. I  have seen well  over 200 players that I know of leave the game and there must be some way to correct this. It is a great game but there has to be a way to level the playing field i have watched the prize drawing event and I have NEVER seem a low level win it and I HAVE seen some bigger players VIPs win it several times. IS THIS A FAIR DRAWING VERY DOUBTFUL LOOKS LIKE MORE OF A REWARD FOR BEING A MONEY PLAYER. I doubt that I will get an answer to this as it is very rare that i get on the forums since they took the Thursday morning ask questions off-- IF you do decide to answer this please contact me so I can see your reply Respectfully submitted

It will be sad to see you leave. 

With regards to your enquiry on the prize brawl, I actually knew of a system that manipulated the draw and alerted the then CM, Alina and other CM's. When I alerted them of this flaw they said it was not a flaw. I proved that it was a flaw twice, winning the prize draw in S1 and S2, and posted screenshots of my winnings.

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I think Plarium can fix the game if they make more intensive high rewards tournaments like the brawl. allowing sapphires to be gained in-game the same way that champions currency Emeralds are gained in-game might save the game. Currently, If I need emeralds, I could simply upgrade champions by battling the undead, or I could raid 10 times and use the resources to sacrifice champions. However, if I don't have sapphires, there is nothing I can do.

Wesley Pringle said:

 As for the Draw it's a Matter of chance and with the more chances purchased the odds just tend to lean with the higher chances applied. 

You got to be kidding me. The drawl, a matter of luck. Seriously. The draw mechanism uses a very known random mechanism. Can you explain this

And this

Oracle said:

Wesley Pringle said:

 As for the Draw it's a Matter of chance and with the more chances purchased the odds just tend to lean with the higher chances applied. 

You got to be kidding me. The drawl, a matter of luck. Seriously. The draw mechanism uses a very known random mechanism. Can you explain this

And this

I'm not Kidding you as Far as I'm concerned It is a Matter Of luck your theory is just that just because you have a theory is does not Make it a fact.

 That you were lucky twice just means you were lucky twice.  

 But as this topic is about far more than just the Prize draw let's not Hijack it on just one Part of the Issue Please 

I have been Playing for somewhere around 4 years. I am also on a fixed income and don't buy packs very often. I have castles on all three servers It takes time to build a castle and I am always looking for ways to win Saphs. Many of the quests and contests they have there are always saphs to win. I will never have the army that people who spend on the game have. Some of the new things added to the game I have to look at to help players in my leagues and be able to answer questions.I like some of the things added better then others but that's always the way of any game. Just because it's there doesn't mean you need to play that part of the game. I myself Like to do the battle grounds and am very lucky with that. Others like to do all the raids ect. The beauty of this game is that you can pick and choose what YOU want to do.

Each person can play how they want to there is no right or wrong way to play it is how you want to play.

This is one of the most aggressively pay to win games on the market.

You can buy an infinite number of troops immediately from the shop. If a billionaire decides to join a server, they can destroy every beacon and every castle in the game on day 1. It's just a matter of whether that new joiner wants to spend the required amount of money. The possibility for absolute imbalance is always there built into the way the shop operates.

The problem is exaggerated as the game has very little scope for skill. The siege mechanic is biggest army wins.... and if the biggest army is big enough, can win with little to no losses. The fights are the server doing maths. The players don't input any skill into the actual fight. The only real skill is in not getting caught in fights you can't win... but if you do get caught in one it's game over.

Unlimited advantage from money and very little skill makes this an incredibly unbalanced game.

It was always like this from the start but at least for the first 2 years, there was a meaningful strategy game. The shop was SO expensive that no one bought an overwhelming advantage and completely unbalanced the game. You could compete as F2P or a hobby level spender. The key was that earned troops were significantly greater than bought troops.

Then Plarium moved to aggressively monetising the games for maximum short term profit. They made the game significantly cheaper (permanent offers, addition of the healer). And updates became content that is locked behind paywalls. The only way to progress it is to interact with the shop, it can't be realistically earned by interacting with the game (e.g. all the things that require sketches).

That flipped us to a situation where the bought armies became greater than the entirely of all earned armies. At that point the game ceases to be an effective strategy game. It's only about who is going to spend the most money. All the beacons went down and the game entered it's barren phase (2016 to 18) when it nearly died. I logged maybe a couple of mins a day on my main and only did that because the community I was in, kept me attached to the game.

Introduction of force limits meant the tiny number of mega coiners could not longer run around smashing everything with their credit cards. And from the start of 2019 the game has recovered somewhat and become more active. But it's a fraction of what it used to be in it's first 2 years. If you have a really really good understanding of the game mechanics, your league can just about stay competitive. It's still like swimming uphill and having your hands tied behind your back but it's not completely and utterly impossible to stay alive, like it was between 2016-2018.

Why is game balance important? And why do so many people come of the forums and complain about it.

For the vast majority of people there is simply no purpose or meaning to playing a game that you can't hope to compete in. 

With a few exceptions there are now only two types of players left here:

1. The coiners (who buy armies and fight eachother with them)

2. Farmville casuals (who keep everything in cats, don't fights and can get enough enjoyment out of the game from just growing and building)

Both are a tiny population of the entire gaming community. Which is why these games are doomed to a tiny player base. And while Plarium can clearly make money designing a game that fleeces $50-$100k out of a few meag coiners, the crying shame is that they could have made much more money enticing hobby spenders to pay $20 a month and had a massive player base (200 ppl paying $20 a month = 1 person dropping $50k).

Personally I think we have to suffer an unbalanced game AND it made less money for Plarium than is could have. Lose lose.

So like you I feel sad when I remember all the people that left and quit due to imbalance and feel such regret for what could have been but was lost.

DJ Moody said:

This is one of the most aggressively pay to win games on the market.

You can buy an infinite number of troops immediately from the shop. If a billionaire decides to join a server, they can destroy every beacon and every castle in the game on day 1. It's just a matter of whether that new joiner wants to spend the required amount of money. The possibility for absolute imbalance is always there built into the way the shop operates.

So like you I feel sad when I remember all the people that left and quit due to imbalance and feel such regret for what could have been but was lost.

For me,and hindsight, the downfall started long before all the offers came along.

The game had 'accountability' in the beginning, being troop expense. Sure you could buy troops, but not to excess, as you had account for and maintain them. And yes, there were 'pop up' armies even then, but you had to toss your monies away as you could not maintain those levels.

To that end Plarium, (right or wrong) saw the the golden goose that would keep providing larger and steady income (for quite a while, actually).

At that time we had 2, maybe 3 browser games and no apps games, so the focus for Plarium shifted. And via being sold worked very well in their favor.

But back more on topic,the global in game map shows this more than most would see. While there are still a few 'old' accounts held by the original creator, where are they in map? Aside from league gatherings, they are far apart from any major contender to their power,temp teleporting is another topic.

 What of the core map? Where once the biggest and best battles occurred, now a mere farm land. How far from dead center would one have to search for  an original surviving  castle? This exodus started at the same time and worsened with each 'update' away from actual game play and strategy.

Is there an answer or solution, not at this point that i can see. Let it run it's course.

Wesley Pringle said:

 I just can't hope have that much money. But I find there are Plenty of money players out there that don't like Bullies  so I'm content to make friends with them.    

It saves me from the need to stress about what I can't afford. 

Being in an active league of size will also increase the rewards you can be entitled also in Brawls and other league tournaments 

 Lastly I will also note there are far more Give outs in the game than there ever have been.  

I'm not sure if this helps at all.

 But I do hope you will stick around.

i always enjoy reading ur posts wesley

people see a post like this player's and they channel their emotions and their thoughts..

its unavoidable,i know,i myself ,as much as i want to avoid it,mix some of my thoughts in process,u do it too,as i said,unavoidable

but when it comes to posts like these,u always try to help

im really very glad ur in forum and i get to read ur posts

thank u

roadster pitbull, glad 2 C u back 

u got some good points like always

but i dnt agree with IFs ..

if a billionaire joined the game...

there are more free gifts as there ever been ..

yes unbalances exist but champs are more balanced than the ever been,when it comes to troops,yes someone can buy unlimited army,nothing we can do there,but im happy im being given more free units by plarium everyday 

one thing,no spending no game,plarium will just close the curtain...

yes micro payment from everyone and stuff...

but,in the end im just happy game goes on and i get to se my friends

people will always complain,they themselves dnt leave,and talk about people leaving ,ah being sad and stuff....

game has been unbalanced after first 2 years and after those first 2 years people have never stopped complaining,threatening to leave the game,and yet,everyone of them are still here.. 

It's not an IF - lol.

The game IS always open to the ultimate imbalance because the shop allows for INSTANT purchase of an UNLIMITED army. It's continually just sitting there waiting for someone to break it. And by no means does it take a billionaire to to do it.

Look at the main server:

It now has a no1 league that is barely a year old. One year's spending can outweigh 6/7 years of gameplay.

Same as when EMPS went and became the biggest spenders and ruled 2016 and then Rebels went and spent bigger and took the crown in 2017-18.

And just to be clear, those events didn't happen because a whole team spent big money. The servers got turned on their heads by a tiny number of people (we are talking 2 or 3 in at least two of those cases). 

Imbalance denial just annoys people. It's pretty much a flame and troll to see people pretending it doesn''t exist. It's not like its needed to deny it either. Plarium aren't going to change business model at this stage. There is no need to fear that Plarium will read this thread and suddenly run off and balance the game. Not going to happen. 

Threads like this are just people letting out their disappointment and frustration because it's cathartic to do so.

DJ Moody said:

It's not an IF - lol.

The game IS always open to the ultimate imbalance because the shop allows for INSTANT purchase of an UNLIMITED army. It's continually just sitting there waiting for someone to break it. And by no means does it take a billionaire to to do it.

Look at the main server:

It now has a no1 league that is barely a year old. One year's spending can outweigh 6/7 years of gameplay.

Same as when EMPS went and became the biggest spenders and ruled 2016 and then Rebels went and spent bigger and took the crown in 2017-18.

And just to be clear, those events didn't happen because a whole team spent big money. The servers got turned on their heads by a tiny number of people (we are talking 2 or 3 in at least two of those cases). 

Imbalance denial just annoys people. It's pretty much a flame and troll to see people pretending it doesn''t exist. It's not like its needed to deny it either. Plarium aren't going to change business model at this stage. There is no need to fear that Plarium will read this thread and suddenly run off and balance the game. Not going to happen. 

Threads like this are just people letting out their disappointment and frustration because it's cathartic to do so.

Isn't the fact that that is how real wars have been won and lost through history an indication that in a war game as in real life the best backed armies and alliances are often the victors?  It's to be expected an investment and planning is required to excel.

For people to come to a war game and expect to be mollycoddled  because they can't compete or put the time that others do into the game. 

Is preposterous to say the least!

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This is a war game! 

When I first started playing I was raided by a player more often just because he could. I didn't sit there and complain it lit a fire and made me work to build so he could no longer hit me like he was doing. took a lot of work and planning to do so. 

interesting...

Wesley Pringle said:

I'm not Kidding you as Far as I'm concerned It is a Matter Of luck your theory is just that just because you have a theory is does not Make it a fact.

 That you were lucky twice just means you were lucky twice.  

 But as this topic is about far more than just the Prize draw let's not Hijack it on just one Part of the Issue Please 

Yah right. I am the sort of guy that has been persecuted and labeled as a fraud in this forum.  I  remember the time when I advised a player to farm hamlets from the edge of the map. I was attacked for saying that. But guise what, today the same people who attacked me for saying that are farming hamlets at the edge.  I get it. There is only one Oracle in this game. and that is ME. I will leave this here.

Although this was just junk reward.  https://prnt.sc/t9cnbe. Don't take this personal, I am glad the forum has an active moderator, who is constantly engaging with the community. 

Same as when EMPS went and became the biggest spenders and ruled 2016 and then Rebels went and spent bigger and took the crown in 2017-18.\

The Emperors ruled the game and become the best team in the league NOT because of spending. But because it had by far the best league marshal in the game, who was by far the smartest most strategic marshal this game will EVER have. 

This is a fact that no one can EVER deny. Shin made emperors not from coiners, but from non-coining, active grinders. He did this by recruiting the best, and not being toxic and nefarious in his engagement. 

As for the current emperors. Well, they are coiners, in a coining game.  One doesn't critic the peacock for being too colourful. Its the nature of this game that coining means winning.  

I think you need to separate the Old Emperors from the Now Emperors

Oracle said:

Same as when EMPS went and became the biggest spenders and ruled 2016 and then Rebels went and spent bigger and took the crown in 2017-18.\

The Emperors ruled the game and become the best team in the league NOT because of spending. But because it had by far the best league marshal in the game, who was by far the smartest most strategic marshal this game will EVER have. 

This is a fact that no one can EVER deny. Shin made emperors not from coiners, but from non-coining, active grinders. He did this by recruiting the best, and not being toxic and nefarious in his engagement. 

As for the current emperors. Well, they are coiners, in a coining game.  One doesn't critic the peacock for being too colourful. Its the nature of this game that coining means winning.  

Oh come on Oracle.

He mismanaged an amazing position where we could have played off the Corealtion and KT against each other and remained neutral in the middle (neither wanted to make an enemy on the 3rd biggest alliance which could tip the balance in one direction or the other). But he messed up the diplo completely and got Unforgiven killed.

A couple of people decided they didn't like that and coined up a 2bn hammer over 3 months and indiscriminately slammed everything that moved with it (mostly a load of small leagues for easy PvP to be honest). It's funny looking back to think that 2bn used to be VERY VERY BIG.

Frenzy still plays. Maybe for our interest in the history of the game she might come on here tell us who put all those troops got on her account. I'd be interested in who exactly funded it, given they were putting massive money onto an account that wasn't theirs. Must have been a lot of trust in the EMPS to do that.

And btw I am not passing judgement on what happened, just pointing out it happened.

Anyway if we want to have an EMP history discussion maybe we should create a thread of our own, in the Tavern where no one goes and it will just be us. We'll derail the post having it here. 

Milt said:

I currently play 1 castle on all 3 servers over 6 years on server 1 NEVER missed a sign in -game is getting harder and harder to play with all the new things being added and mostly just to make money- i am in my later 70s -retired -fixed income-and as much as I hate to say it am considering giving up the game only reason still here is friends i have made in discord chat. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for me to try and grow and compete with the COINERS so WHY would i want to stay here when there is no way for me to be able to grow I CAN NOT SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE GAME and it seems like Plarium doesn't care about the smaller players or has any interest in trying to find a way to keep the players who would like to keep playing or find a way to help them. I  have seen well  over 200 players that I know of leave the game and there must be some way to correct this. It is a great game but there has to be a way to level the playing field i have watched the prize drawing event and I have NEVER seem a low level win it and I HAVE seen some bigger players VIPs win it several times. IS THIS A FAIR DRAWING VERY DOUBTFUL LOOKS LIKE MORE OF A REWARD FOR BEING A MONEY PLAYER. I doubt that I will get an answer to this as it is very rare that i get on the forums since they took the Thursday morning ask questions off-- IF you do decide to answer this please contact me so I can see your reply Respectfully submitted

Hello, Milt! Nice to e-meet you  I've read your message and I think I can feel how sad you're at the moment. I guess trying to compete with the most powerful players in the game and to succeed in all aspects may be tiresome, I totally get it. Besides, I know that some players don't like us adding new features each month, however, the game must be updated, we have to add new features to make it interesting and challenging for our players. Otherwise, it will be boring, don't you think so? 

We do try to keep it balanced and to give all our players means to progress in the game. Let me list just some of the recent features that could help you as a small player (just quoting you here) to make progress: 

1) Battle Pass. By simply fulfilling Daily and Monthly Quests, you'll be able to claim some nice rewards.

2) Free Gifts of Gratitude in the Bank that refreshes once per day: http://joxi.ru/4AkNNEnCXveE62 

3) The Weorian Recruitment Race that gives you a possibility to win exclusive Weorian Units.

4) Feature that allows you to request Premium Battle Pass from other players.

5) Imperial Royal Program that gives you awesome rewards every day when you log in: http://joxi.ru/a2X55Y9UDRLd6A 

6) Ran's Oath that may earn you +10% Permanent Bonus to Offense and Defense of Units corresponding to the Puzzle and 1000 Units corresponding to the Puzzle in case you complete the Puzzle (you can get Oath Stones that contain one Puzzle Piece from all manner of places, including Events, Tournaments, Quests, not only Special Offers).

Finally, we were sending out many gifts in June to celebrate our anniversary together with the community  Didn't you like them?

The list if not full, these are only the first things that came to my mind. But as you see, there are ways of making progress in the game, even for small players. I also like Wesley's piece of advice to concentrate on something you like most in the game and to succeed there. What do you like most? Just think about it. 

I hope my reply was at least a bit soothing. Cheers!

P.S. My Lords and Ladies, I can see that this topic has become too personal and less constructive. That's why I have to close it. I hope for your understanding. 

Alina said:

P.S. My Lords and Ladies, I can see that this topic has become too personal and less constructive. That's why I have to close it. I hope for your understanding. 

For one, I do not understand the reasoning for a closure. 

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Alina said:

P.S. My Lords and Ladies, I can see that this topic has become too personal and less constructive. That's why I have to close it. I hope for your understanding. 

For one, I do not understand the reasoning for a closure. 

***edit*** for now seeing the post in question edited.