Only a short time, which I see here is just a mess. so funny? 

why are you so far away so your motivation? I am just curious. 

Hi !

I'm sure Plarium has a Legal department too and they are dealing with all these laws from different countries from you can play the game.

Of course, I'm thinking they have a lot of work :-)

Best regards!

Bogdan

https://www.pcgamer.com/belgiums-gambling-commission-rules-against-loot-boxes-in-overwatch-fifa-18-and-csgo/

"Mixing [video] games and gaming [gambling], especially at a young age, is dangerous for mental health. We have already taken numerous measures to protect both minors and adults against the influence of, among other things, gambling advertising," Minister of Justice Koen Geens said in the Google-translated report. "That is why we must also ensure that children and adults are not confronted with games of chance when they are looking for fun in a videogame. "   

So doesn't this make your ingame prizedraws violate the laws in Belgium now? Eventhough you can spend sapphires you get from ingame rewards, you can also spend sapphires you buy with cash. And its by default a lottery and gambling...

...I have the urge to spew nothing but expletives. Shoddy moderation. Very thrice-damned shoddy. *ducks and covers*

Gadheras said:

https://www.pcgamer.com/belgiums-gambling-commission-rules-against-loot-boxes-in-overwatch-fifa-18-and-csgo/

"Mixing [video] games and gaming [gambling], especially at a young age, is dangerous for mental health. We have already taken numerous measures to protect both minors and adults against the influence of, among other things, gambling advertising," Minister of Justice Koen Geens said in the Google-translated report. "That is why we must also ensure that children and adults are not confronted with games of chance when they are looking for fun in a videogame. "   

So doesn't this make your ingame prizedraws violate the laws in Belgium now? Eventhough you can spend sapphires you get from ingame rewards, you can also spend sapphires you buy with cash. And its by default a lottery and gambling...

Sapphires and other in game items have no redeemable cash value, so usually don't fall under gambling regulations. 

Hello, Lord Gadheras!

Questions regarding laws are always interesting no matter whether it's game industry or any other industry we have deal with every day.

We have big Legal Department full of professional lawyers. They not only monitor updates made to the law but check features present in the game and make sure they don't actually break these laws.

As for Prize of Draw feature, I can just confirm BIOHAZARD'S comment that it's not considered as any type of gambling. 

When James Bond comes to a casino, he expects to go out from there with real money he will be able to spend on another car or yacht. 

When you come to Stormfall: Age of War and get tickets, you can't log out of the game and receive a bag of cash next to your PC (though, I know it will be another idea for making a post in Suggestions thread). All Items you will receive from these tickets, you will be able to use only (and once again, only) in the world of Stormfall. That's why this feature has nothing to do with gambling :)

Gadheras said:

If a "game of chance" is not lottery/gambling? Then what. The laws here in regard of Belgium was putting focus on the game of chance where real life money could be used. If it was a monetary gain to be had or not, was not the key factor it was the game of chance it self. Even gains might just have a value to yourself in a virtual world or not doesn't really matter in this regard. 

My point was that you can't use Items you win in the game in the real life.

Without using them for real, it can't be considered as gambling. Plus, you receive tickets for Sapphires (and they are also only in-game currency) and Sapphires you can get from the in-game Events and Tournaments (without the usage of real cash).

djmoody said:

Alina Phoenix said:

When you come to Stormfall: Age of War and get tickets, you can't log out of the game and receive a bag of cash next to your PC (though, I know it will be another idea for making a post in Suggestions thread). All Items you will receive from these tickets, you will be able to use only (and once again, only) in the world of Stormfall. That's why this feature has nothing to do with gambling :)

That is just pure BS.

So if I put my car keys down on the gambling table and James Bond puts his house keys down on the table, you are saying we are no longer gambling.

And if your argument is that the house and the car can be converted back to cash, so can our Plarium accounts as people have successfully sold their accounts and Plarium has done nothing to prevent that. So the accounts and everything on them do have a cash value.

Sooner or later governments will catch up with mult-national companies and start enforcing the law and probably more importantly, ensuring that a morality slightly higher than "anything for profit" becomes the norm.

Quote from the linked article:

"Mixing [video] games and gaming [gambling], especially at a young age, is dangerous for mental health"

Given that, why would you as a person want to have anything to do with it, let alone be here defending it and passing it off as if there was no problem. And that ruling is about loot boxes, what you do is have a frickin lottery in your game.

DJMOODY, selling accounts is not allowed by our Policy and we ban players for doing it.

I (as a person) don't defend anything and anyone here, I just try to carry a common sense. We have Policy in place and while accepting it you confirm you're https://www.screencast.com/t/Ytuas0gw

"Mixing [video] games and gaming [gambling], especially at a young age, is dangerous for mental health"

Personally, my opinion is that for the mental health of the child are responsible his/her parents. Taking into account we live in the world where 4 years old children walk with iPhones, I think it's solely parents decision what they will play or use this iPhone for.

We as a company don't have gambling as you can't get real cash via none feature in the game. 

Gadheras said:

If a "game of chance" is not lottery/gambling? Then what. The laws here in regard of Belgium was putting focus on the game of chance where real life money could be used. If it was a monetary gain to be had or not, was not the key factor it was the game of chance it self. Even gains might just have a value to yourself in a virtual world or not doesn't really matter in this regard. 

My point was that you can't use Items you win in the game in the real life.

Without using them for real, it can't be considered as gambling. Plus, you receive tickets for Sapphires (and they are also only in-game currency) and Sapphires you can get from the in-game Events and Tournaments (without the usage of real cash).

If we talk about the "game of chance", I think it's present almost in every game (and not only game). 

The owners have enough experience on this issue. lol

I reckon they know well what they are doing in this regard. 

But I dont know what this has to do with us trying to play a game. IMHO there is better things to make Alina work for.

Gadheras said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Gadheras said:

If a "game of chance" is not lottery/gambling? Then what. The laws here in regard of Belgium was putting focus on the game of chance where real life money could be used. If it was a monetary gain to be had or not, was not the key factor it was the game of chance it self. Even gains might just have a value to yourself in a virtual world or not doesn't really matter in this regard. 

My point was that you can't use Items you win in the game in the real life.

Without using them for real, it can't be considered as gambling. Plus, you receive tickets for Sapphires (and they are also only in-game currency) and Sapphires you can get from the in-game Events and Tournaments (without the usage of real cash).

If we talk about the "game of chance", I think it's present almost in every game (and not only game). 

If the items used to buy the tickets was only obtained by ingame means. Then it wouldnt been a issue. but as long as you can obtain tickets by use rl money, then it become a issue. 

Lord Garheras, if we look for the definition of word "gambling", Wikipedia will give us this meaning:

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

Jaywalker SC said:

The owners have enough experience on this issue. lol

I reckon they know well what they are doing in this regard. 

But I dont know what this has to do with us trying to play a game. IMHO there is better things to make Alina work for.

You are right, Lord Jaywalker :) 

Gadheras said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Gadheras said:

If a "game of chance" is not lottery/gambling? Then what. The laws here in regard of Belgium was putting focus on the game of chance where real life money could be used. If it was a monetary gain to be had or not, was not the key factor it was the game of chance it self. Even gains might just have a value to yourself in a virtual world or not doesn't really matter in this regard. 

My point was that you can't use Items you win in the game in the real life.

Without using them for real, it can't be considered as gambling. Plus, you receive tickets for Sapphires (and they are also only in-game currency) and Sapphires you can get from the in-game Events and Tournaments (without the usage of real cash).

If we talk about the "game of chance", I think it's present almost in every game (and not only game). 

If the items used to buy the tickets was only obtained by ingame means. Then it wouldnt been a issue. but as long as you can obtain tickets by use rl money, then it become a issue. 

Lord Garheras, if we look for the definition of word "gambling", Wikipedia will give us this meaning:

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

As I said, you can't win any real money or material goods that can be used in the real life via any feature present in the game (including Prize Draws).

Anything you get in Stormfall can be used only there 

BiohazarD said:

Sapphires and other in game items have no redeemable cash value, so usually don't fall under gambling regulations. 

I hope you are just on the usual banter tirade. 

Because Sapphires and ALL ingame items on Plarium.com have redeemable cash value. 

Plarium sapphires qualify as currency, because 

The value of sapphires is influenced by real word market. I live in S.A, and I know that when the rand fell 18 points to the dollar, I was paying R160 for a 9$ package now that is like R100

Sapphires are Scare, I don't want have to explain this

 All sapphires are interchangeable with all ingame items, and real life object and services, that is they have fungibility: Symbol A is identical to symbol B, and vice versa. 

They are durable, because Plarium has forever game model. Lastly they are transferable, largely.

The ruling

The reason is that the content of these loot boxes is determined by chance and that the prizes to be won can be traded outside of the game: the prizes have a market value," the report says. "Offering these types of games of chance to Dutch consumers without a license is prohibited." 

Therefore for Plarium Prize draws to fall victim to this law/rulling

>they have to be dertimined by chance. Since what determines the winner is the probability of buying last batches, Prize draws are guilty on the first ruling.

>prizes to be won can be traded outside of the game, largely  because of Master, PayPal and account selling Plarium prize draws are guilty

>the prizes have a market value,  live in S.A, and I know that when the rand fell 18 points to the dollar, I was paying R160 for a 9$ package now that is like R100.  So because the prize of sapphires are influenced by the market, and you need sapphires to play prize draws, Plarium will be guilty on this part of the ruling

Oracle, I already explained why this feature can't be considered as gambling. Plus, without breaking our Policy, you can't receive any real profit from features we have in the game.