Oracle said:

According to one of the most, if ever succesfull guild/marshal 

It's just pure genius. Add words together to form nonsensical sentences, or in this case one that has the complete opposite meaning your going for. Knowing who it probably came from I would definitely stick with the "if ever" bit though.

To achieve these trust leaders often fail and even covert admitting to their own mistakes

Covertly admitting to mistakes. Those words have no meaning when added together.

I like the fourth definition much better

Particularly good one as there are only 3 in the picture......

These is like DNA, once a part initiated for trascription, further copies are activated downhill.

Back to pure gibberish.

and I tell you a league dies at the day it was made, and is buried at the day its goals where put in place

That is even in bold. Who highlights in bold the most meaningless part of their post.

Was this done in google translate or something? Either that or one of those clever random paragraph generators. 

It's not a serious contribution though right. It can't be surely. Totally demented ramblings.

Oracle said:

''know your enemy and know yourself, and in 100 battles you will never be in peril, understanding your opponent is crucial to victory'' art of war, Sun Tzu

If you're going to quote SunTzu please get it right. 

The actual quote is: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

I can't find words.

Oracle said:

''know your enemy and know yourself, and in 100 battles you will never be in peril, understanding your opponent is crucial to victory'' art of war, Sun Tzu

If you're going to quote SunTzu please get it right. 

The actual quote is: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

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I said it before, I will say it again, this is another of plariums cruel jokes on us, moderator turncoat lol

how quickly he became a company guy for a few sapps

Not sure which is worse them screwing us with the last BG update or making Oracle a mod. I laugh every time I think of him saying the bg payout will come eventually after all his BG BS

English is not my arterial language. I was planning on deleting the thread, and editing in the background and adding more information as I was not done with it, I planned on posting it today. But I lost the internet before I could delete it, and work on it, from now on I will work on word

But thank you for showing some of the eye-hurting-grammatical-howlers. I fixed some of them. Should you see them please notify me by PM, and I will fix them. 

Stewart_KT1 said:

Oracle said:

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Cant you just go away, As in a galaxy far far away.

LoL, I can't afford the trip.

IronApex Turok said:

i dont think there is any question why his league only has 1 member.    

I had the inactives kicked out. All active players went off to good leagues, a total of 10 players. Few went into former leagues I was once part of, like Unforgiven, the majority went to native french/german/dutch leagues. 

I have to disband the league to protect them from KT family, and a KoK captain. But I am planning on opening the doors up soon.

I have also started a league in server 2, but I am still working on most part of it. 

BiohazarD said:

Oracle said:

''know your enemy and know yourself, and in 100 battles you will never be in peril, understanding your opponent is crucial to victory'' art of war, Sun Tzu

If you're going to quote SunTzu please get it right. 

The actual quote is: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."

Is that the English version. I could have made mistakes, and the book was written in a sophisticated language so its open to many translations.  I am still a beginner in Mandarin, A library in town have photos of the real book I hope to read it soon when I polish my Chinese and see which version out of the thousands available is correct, by reading the actual book myself.

Are you saying every single book translated from the original Sun Tzu work are all the same?  these are just a few books I can find at google 

http://prntscr.com/fd01mp, http://prntscr.com/fd01sw

some translations I found of the same line

This work for any guild, league, corp, whatever in any mmo really that want to reach higher, stretch and little further and get up there.

1) The success of any league, guild, whatever in any game, is to make everyone work towards the same goals. 

- If someone is not pulling in the right direction, you remove them as you would with cancer. If you let them stay, cancer spread and that is bad!

2) You follow leadership words as law. Leadership work better as dictatorate than a democracy. If you can't accept that fact, you don't belong and should settle for the more average social clubs. You obey and follow orders, there is no room for worry about trust. If things goes bad, things goes bad. You pick yourself up and carry on. If you feel things bad, you find some other place to settle, that simple. 

3) No one else outside your own league/guild, clicque matters. What you do to them, what you can achieve climb over their dead cold bodies. If you use under handed tactics such as spying whatever.. Doesn't matter. "I don't care about your game, your enjoyment, I play the game for my own reason, my fun is your suffering"....

A league is just as dysfunctional as it allow itself to be. 

Griffen said:

It's just pure genius. Add words together to form nonsensical sentences, or in this case one that has the complete opposite meaning your going for. Knowing who it probably came from I would definitely stick with the "if ever" bit though.

It doesn't come from who you think it comes from. It's a pity you are using a facade when making such statements. But however thanks for your help. 

Gadheras said:

This work for any guild, league, corp, whatever in any mmo really that want to reach higher, stretch and little further and get up there.

1) The success of any league, guild, whatever in any game, is to make everyone work towards the same goals. 

- If someone is not pulling in the right direction, you remove them as you would with cancer. If you let them stay, cancer spread and that is bad!

2) You follow leadership words as law. Leadership work better as dictatorate than a democracy. If you can't accept that fact, you don't belong and should settle for the more average social clubs. You obey and follow orders, there is no room for worry about trust. If things goes bad, things goes bad. You pick yourself up and carry on. If you feel things bad, you find some other place to settle, that simple. 

3) No one else outside your own league/guild, clicque matters. What you do to them, what you can achieve climb over their dead cold bodies. If you use under handed tactics such as spying whatever.. Doesn't matter. "I don't care about your game, your enjoyment, I play the game for my own reason, my fun is your suffering"....

A league is just as dysfunctional as it allow itself to be. 

These is very true. 

Those are good words of advice my Lord, and they will be treasured. Thank you alot, you did Darkshine a lot of help that you can imagine by offering your time to offer help. 

But why, do you think a dictorate learderhip works best, even better than democracy?

I find democracy to work better if the league is tight knit, like the Unforgiven Emperors was like during Shins reign, Or Drunkendragons was like during its glory as a number 1 league in Server2. When leardership start controlling things without consulting ALL players in the league. problem will arise, and players will leave. 

Oracle said:

Gadheras said:

This work for any guild, league, corp, whatever in any mmo really that want to reach higher, stretch and little further and get up there.

1) The success of any league, guild, whatever in any game, is to make everyone work towards the same goals. 

- If someone is not pulling in the right direction, you remove them as you would with cancer. If you let them stay, cancer spread and that is bad!

2) You follow leadership words as law. Leadership work better as dictatorate than a democracy. If you can't accept that fact, you don't belong and should settle for the more average social clubs. You obey and follow orders, there is no room for worry about trust. If things goes bad, things goes bad. You pick yourself up and carry on. If you feel things bad, you find some other place to settle, that simple. 

3) No one else outside your own league/guild, clicque matters. What you do to them, what you can achieve climb over their dead cold bodies. If you use under handed tactics such as spying whatever.. Doesn't matter. "I don't care about your game, your enjoyment, I play the game for my own reason, my fun is your suffering"....

A league is just as dysfunctional as it allow itself to be. 

These is very true. 

Those are good words of advice my Lord, and they will be treasured. Thank you alot, you did Darkshine a lot of help that you can imagine by offering your time to offer help. 

But why, do you think a dictorate learderhip works best, even better than democracy?

I find democracy to work better if the league is tight knit, like the Unforgiven Emperors was like during Shins reign, Or Drunkendragons was like during its glory as a number 1 league in Server2. When leardership start controlling things without consulting ALL players in the league. problem will arise, and players will leave. 

Lets say you got 200 members, if you want to achieve something, you don't have room nor time to discuss every fkn thing with everyone or try please everyone. True you can't lead a league/guild by yourself, but your captains is tools for you to use. If they dont perform acordingly to the abilities needed, they can be replaced. Of course you will do mistakes and shit happens, but you pick yourself up from that.

Members is like cannon fooder. And these again want to be part of the winning side. If you win far more than you lose, you have success already. Do you want to be in a league that is being abused by everyone and attacked all the time, or do you want to be the feared raider that wreck havoc? It all come down to a price.

If you worried about have to please people, or someones feelings get hurt, or you step on some toes to achieve goals, then its not you that at fault. Its the other players that is in the wrong place for them. 

Everything has a beginning, middle and eventually an end.

I like Oracles post it does have some valid points like trust is important to a league especially to the captains/higher members working together

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think its probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.

I have been in one league since I started playing this game(roughly 1year 6months ago) and I will continue to be in that league.

My reason for staying in one league is because I have a lot of respect for my league marshal plus I have never had any issue with anyone in the league,

to put it in perspective at one point I quit the game for months and came back and as a casual mostly "free 2 play" player I felt and still do feel discouraged because I do not have the funds to spend money on the game... I shared this to my league marshal a long time ago and she told me "You never have to spend money or anything like that to be in this league" that made me want to stay in the league and do my best.

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

Even the best league marshals cant control "inactivity" because we all have real life matters/problems ect that sometimes cause us to be "inactive" 

Solidarius said:

to put it in perspective at one point I quit the game for months and came back and as a casual mostly "free 2 play" player I felt and still do feel discouraged because I do not have the funds to spend money on the game... I shared this to my league marshal a long time ago and she told me "You never have to spend money or anything like that to be in this league" that made me want to stay in the league and do my best.

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

Even the best league marshals cant control "inactivity" because we all have real life matters/problems ect that sometimes cause us to be "inactive" 

Very true there is no need to spend money on the game to play - I tell people that all the time and actually discourage it if I can or tell them how to spend wisely on the game

Activity is the most important aspect you are totally correct - and yes we cannot control game time of players real life has to come first which I also encourage - I have decided daily logging is not all that important as long as I see my members logging once or twice a week and if someone is going to be away for an extended period they usually tell me - it is a game after all and yes we all have lives to live 

Thank you, my Lord, for your input. 

Solidarius said:

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think it's probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.arround

Very true, an authoritarian league and ones that work on a system of anarchy don't need to trust each other much. Most Marshals work around these issue by forming what I called above as ''inclusive sub-faction'', they group a few players in the league and form close relationships with them, winning the trust of that group of people. The marshal then places those people in strategic positions in the league, like making them captains, commanders ect The group work together to lead the league, sometimes without the authority of the marshal in the open or in the shadow. They spread their influence in great length within the league thus making sure everyone follows the order of the leadership. 
The other players don't have to trust them but must be controlled by them. For as long as they control players, then the league will flourish. 

This can lead to the destruction of the league when power balance is upset between the faction. When the marshal loses power among the faction or another faction is formed stronger than the marshal's, He/she is forced to step down.

Solidarius said:

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

I agree with you.  Conflicts also drive players to log into the game.  Without conflict, players will get bored and leave the game, or the league. 

Thank you, my Lord, for your input. 

Solidarius said:

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think it's probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.arround

Very true, an authoritarian league and ones that work on a system of anarchy don't need to trust each other much. Most Marshals work around these issue by forming what I called above as ''inclusive sub-faction'', they group a few players in the league and form close relationships with them, winning the trust of that group of people. The marshal then places those people in strategic positions in the league, like making them captains, commanders ect The group work together to lead the league, sometimes without the authority of the marshal in the open or in the shadow. They spread their influence in great length within the league thus making sure everyone follows the order of the leadership. 
The other players don't have to trust them but must be controlled by them. For as long as they control players, then the league will flourish. 

This can lead to the destruction of the league when power balance is upset between the faction. When the marshal loses power among the faction or another faction is formed stronger than the marshal's, He/she is forced to step down.

Solidarius said:

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

I agree with you.  Conflicts also drive players to log into the game.  Without conflict, players will get bored and leave the game, or the league. 

Gadheras said:

Oracle said:

Thank you, my Lord, for your input. 

Solidarius said:

to put my opinion on the matter, I personally believe that hate/fear is stronger than love because as most of us know or will find out... love does not last so for that reason I think it's probably better to "rule" a league with an "iron fist" than be all nice and warm and cute.arround

Very true, an authoritarian league and ones that work on a system of anarchy don't need to trust each other much. Most Marshals work around these issue by forming what I called above as ''inclusive sub-faction'', they group a few players in the league and form close relationships with them, winning the trust of that group of people. The marshal then places those people in strategic positions in the league, like making them captains, commanders ect The group work together to lead the league, sometimes without the authority of the marshal in the open or in the shadow. They spread their influence in great length within the league thus making sure everyone follows the order of the leadership. 
The other players don't have to trust them but must be controlled by them. For as long as they control players, then the league will flourish. 

This can lead to the destruction of the league when power balance is upset between the faction. When the marshal loses power among the faction or another faction is formed stronger than the marshal's, He/she is forced to step down.

Solidarius said:

I think the most important thing for a league to be successful is activity, it does not matter if there is lack of trust or goals if the players in the league are not "playing" or login on. 

I agree with you.  Conflicts also drive players to log into the game.  Without conflict, players will get bored and leave the game, or the league. 

Never put people in positions based on them being friends. Friends, might make good friends, but terrible leaders and have lacking abilities for what is required.  activity, Initiative and knowledge is the strongest abilities you want. If they got "people skills" that is a bonus, but hey. can't expect everything. 

I'd say people skills are most important for a marshal, as they're the one people talk to when they want to negotiate with the league.  I've seen some marshals who didn't know much about the game itself, but were good at getting people and leagues to follow them, and they did pretty well.  For captains and other supporting players, it's more important to be active and know how to play.